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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Codex said:
Maximilian has an affinity for Mystical Chamon, just like Johann has an affinity for Elemental Chamon. It's why Maximilian can cast Enchant Item most likely, and why he's good with Silver Arrows.

There is also an AOE lifesteal ability that Gretel can learn, and I believe it's also Moderately Complicated. I imagine she'll learn it in time.
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Right, but I can't identify what spells are mystical and what elemental.
So I'd guess Mystical is Legendary Feats and Materials while Elemental is This Is A Stick?
 
veekie said:
Right, but I can't identify what spells are mystical and what elemental.
So I'd guess Mystical is Legendary Feats and Materials while Elemental is This Is A Stick?
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Don't get too hung up on those distinctions, everyone conceptualizes magic differently and there's not one system that will fit everyone's strengths and weaknesses. Johann is good at doing magic to metal but bad at doing magic to magic.
 
BoneyM said:
Don't get too hung up on those distinctions, everyone conceptualizes magic differently and there's not one system that will fit everyone's strengths and weaknesses. Johann is good at doing magic to metal but bad at doing magic to magic.
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Ah...does that apply to applications of his specific spells? Like, does his Breach the Unknown return detailed physical interactions, chemical and elemental composition, but gives him a big shrug for warpstone, runes and enchantments?
 
Derpmind said:
I agree. A spell to make a bladed weapon appear and disappear would be very useful for less powerful grey mages and fits Mathilde's wheelhouse what with her being a master swordswoman with spell masteries specific to weapons. That such a spell could possibly be extended to allow "flickering" non-weapons, or that it might allow others to use whatever future sword style Mathilde develops, are both possible bonuses on top of that.
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It basically sounds like a slightly more limited Substance of Shadow to me. You're making a physical object only interact with things you choose as long as you're holding it. I suppose if it also incorporates invisibility (and maybe finds a way to remove the light-based weakness - basing the spell on mist rather than shadow?) it'd be worthwhile as its own thing.
 
kingreaper said:
It basically sounds like a slightly more limited Substance of Shadow to me. You're making a physical object only interact with things you choose as long as you're holding it. I suppose if it also incorporates invisibility (and maybe finds a way to remove the light-based weakness - basing the spell on mist rather than shadow?) it'd be worthwhile as its own thing.
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'Substance of Shadow, minus the shadow' sounds absolutely like something worth its own spell, even if it only works on swords or something.

Or, wait a second, no need to even go that far, we can just use a permanent shadow. We know Pall of Darkness counts for Burning Shadows, so it's obviously capable of casting a shadow, and we know that Substance of Shadow lasts until the blade is illuminated.

Enchant a blade to permanently cover itself with a Pall of Darkness (sword-shaped-and-a-single-millimeter-bigger version), then just cast Substance of Shadow on it once. Now it'll interact with only what you want it to, and you won't need to recast the spell unless somebody dispels it. Plus, if they do, you'll still have your sword, it just won't be magic for a little bit. Even better, if somebody else steals it it'd be useless to them, because you can't use the blade as anything other than a normal, if cool looking, sword unless you can manipulate Ulgu to mess with the SoS spell.
 
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@BoneyM I think you said that Mathilde is the Grey College's only expert on Skaven who also knows Khazalid -- or something like that -- at some point. However, is Mathilde also the Colleges of Magic's expert on Dwarfs or Dwarf diplomacy as a whole? Or at least, Dwarf-Wizard diplomacy.

If we are, then, would it be helpful to try to do something about it? Write a book about her experiences in Karak Eight Peaks and living with and fighting alongside and dealing with Dwarfs? Or something?
 
veekie said:
Ah...does that apply to applications of his specific spells? Like, does his Breach the Unknown return detailed physical interactions, chemical and elemental composition, but gives him a big shrug for warpstone, runes and enchantments?
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It still supplies the information but it's on him to understand and make use of it.

Garlak said:
@BoneyM I think you said that Mathilde is the Grey College's only expert on Skaven who also knows Khazalid -- or something like that -- at some point. However, is Mathilde also the Colleges of Magic's expert on Dwarfs or Dwarf diplomacy as a whole? Or at least, Dwarf-Wizard diplomacy.

If we are, then, would it be helpful to try to do something about it? Write a book about her experiences in Karak Eight Peaks and living with and fighting alongside and dealing with Dwarfs? Or something?
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Mathilde is not the Grey College's expert on anything diplomacy. And there are a lot of people in the Empire's educational ecosystem with a much wider grasp of Dwarven culture, history and language. Some of them are actual Dwarves.
 
veekie said:
What we can surmise:
-Adela - Boost to power, weak in control, staff boosts effective power reach as well. She's likely better at elemental offensive effects, but not as good on the mental, protective and utility spells.

-Gretel - Boost to control, weak in power, boost to lifesteal/reaping effects. Probably should be good at things like communicating with the dead, but not so much at AOE stuff. Its actually pretty good for Shyish users, since it doesn't have a lot of 'power' based spells that aren't also reaping spells.

-Hubert - Uncomfortable with his own magic apparently, given that he never uses it if he has a choice. This guy probably isn't making Magister until it changes.

-Johann - You know, we never DID get the specifics of his difficulty with spells beyond being unable to dispel at all.

-Maxmillian - Appears to have generalized ability, no inherent flaw or advantages.
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The Charming Adventures of Panoramia couldn't see her loving Ma and doting Da send darling Panny off into the world without a magic staff of +1 Magic.

At least I'm reasonably sure of that. We've lost sight of Panoramia's Magic score since we're no longer working closely with her :( but it was 5- which I assumed included her staff.

Being as she's off to test for Magister, and it's been several years of heavy magic use enhancing the harvest and restoring the local soil, she probably has higher effective Magic by now.

As for traits, her personal Fiendishly Complex spell when we met was Cure Blight. This is more speculative, as 5 Magic is 'enough', but if she had a trait (or staff bonus?) that helped with "Life Elemental" that would cover both Cure Blight and Spring Bloom at the time.
Now, perhaps also her Fieldhand trait does.
 
Garlak said:
However, is Mathilde also the Colleges of Magic's expert on Dwarfs or Dwarf diplomacy as a whole? Or at least, Dwarf-Wizard diplomacy.

If we are, then, would it be helpful to try to do something about it? Write a book about her experiences in Karak Eight Peaks and living with and fighting alongside and dealing with Dwarfs? Or something?
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I think Mathilde's approach to dwarven diplomacy, and in general making friends, is to be cool enough that other people want to be our friend, so that they will apply their hopefully higher diplomacy scores (if our score is higher we can skip straight to the friend making part without asking them first; Anton, Max, and Kragg were much easier to get along with than Johann, for instance).

I mean, that's just a personal opinion, and half a meme, but it does put another spin on us doing cat-things, when you think about.
 
chocolote12 said:
I think Mathilde's approach to dwarven diplomacy, and in general making friends, is to be cool enough that other people want to be our friend, so that they will apply their hopefully higher diplomacy scores (if our score is higher we can skip straight to the friend making part without asking them first; Anton, Max, and Kragg were much easier to get along with than Johann, for instance).

I mean, that's just a personal opinion, and half a meme, but it does put another spin on us doing cat-things, when you think about.
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Mathilde's approach to dwarven diplomacy is killing their enemies.
No more effective approach has been found :V
 
@BoneyM You mentioned earlier that Mathilde can potentially become a category of her own to the Dwarfs, if she earns enough favor.
Was Sigmar a category by himself, too?
 
Quest said:
Sigmar was probably a category by himself for everyone. :V
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I would not be so sure. I mean let's look at the things Sigmar did:
  1. Founded a nation: Giles the Breton and Setra say hi among others
  2. Deefated and Everchosen: There have been 12 of them so far and someone had to defeat every one of them, for the sake of picking a name let's say Magnus the Pious
  3. Defeated Nagash: Alcadizar and Setra again (because of course Setra shows up in multiple categories)
  4. Ascended to Godhood: Ranald
I mean sure it's impressive that he managed to do all this, but none of his deeds are unmatched
 
DragonParadox said:
I would not be so sure. I mean let's look at the things Sigmar did:
  1. Founded a nation: Giles the Breton and Setra say hi among others
  2. Deefated and Everchosen: There have been 12 of them so far and someone had to defeat every one of them, for the sake of picking a name let's say Magnus the Pious
  3. Defeated Nagash: Alcadizar and Setra again (because of course Setra shows up in multiple categories)
  4. Ascended to Godhood: Ranald
I mean sure it's impressive that he managed to do all this, but none of his deeds are unmatched
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But who managed to do all of them in one lifetime? Sigmar.
 
Whether Ranald actually ascended or was some form of incarnate god playing a trick is apparently up for debate.
 
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