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I think they meant 'internal narration, in addition to the weird voting options that only showed up in Sylvania'. A reason to choose the option, in addition to the option.
Yes, that.

We had options to use black magic crop up. (Although I only remember the big-deal-memorable-event one at the end of Drakenhof. ... Man, honestly, that time is fuzzier in my memory, by now. There were more times we were given options to use it? I don't recall.) But it also seems reasonable to me, to conclude that our information-presented-to-us thingy, may also have been... massaged a bit, too.

Frankly I think that that quote by Mathilde that people use to talk about her pride and how its her pride talking... I think it's not fully accurate to attribute that to just pride. I think... it's a good idea to take a look at the sort of place she was in -- emotionally -- at the time. What sort of situation was she in? What kind of day was she having?

And the answer to that is 'Some of the worst days of her life.'

That wasn't just pride speaking. That was spite. That was hatefulness. Bitterness. Grief. Anger.

That wasn't a pure window into Mathilde's pride there, from which people can go 'Ahhhh... so she views black magic with a sort of professional disdain, yes? There's a hint there of how if she were the one doing it, she'd do it well.' (Though I do believe that, in the hypothetical scenario where Mathilde took up using black magic, that the narration probably would express that. It's just that I think that it would not be the most 'natural' -- i.e. 'unstressed and not being influenced by grief or Sylvania's atmosphere' -- inclination and thoughts. So. Mathilde would probably think like that. But it would partly be because she/we were choosing to go and use black magic. Yeah. Setting off on that path, will have you justify it to yourself -- no surprise, huh?) It was also Mathilde having an awful time. Mathilde losing her friend in Markus and all of the Greatswords. Mathilde going so far as to blame and hold as responsible, Markus and Jovi Sunscryer for what happened! Like. Even to this day, I think she feels some contempt and blame for Sunscryer dying like he did.
 
Even to this day, I think she feels some contempt and blame for Sunscryer dying like he did.
Well, rather than guess you could just ask her/the thread. :V

(One of the three hundred answers, and one of the fraction of those that was there for that update, would be that I feel mostly bemusement (is that the word?) nowadays; I don't hate him, but he just sort of sucked, in a way that sort of reinforced how we already felt about the Light College.)
 
Well, rather than guess you could just ask her/the thread. :V

(One of the three hundred answers, and one of the fraction of those that was there for that update, would be that I feel mostly bemusement (is that the word?) nowadays; I don't hate him, but he just sort of sucked, in a way that sort of reinforced how we already felt about the Light College.)
I remember that the most clear recent(ish) example was when Mathilde was talking about the dangers of miscasting to Panoramia, and Sunscryer came up in thought in an unflattering (and I think blame-y?) way. I think, but am not a hundred percent sure, that it might have cropped up again at some point.

Though... I think it might just have faded into the broad 'College Rivalries' umbrella, over time. i.e. While it's still a person from the past who she would hold a poor opinion of, it is no longer quite as venomous and 'active' as it was when it first happened. It becomes a matter of 'Oh yeah. That guy. Let me tell you about that guy. That guy sucked.' compared to holding a grudge and blaming and vendetta.

I wonder how she feels about Markus and the rest of the Greatswords now, though? Markus was a friend for a long time. So she might have moved to forgiving him, and truly grieving him.

Kasmir... eh, they were colleagues at best. And she respects him and his skill and such. But she knows that they hold differing views. Though she also can see that Kasmir struggled himself, with what happened.
 
We are for now in a war zone and have high chances to acquire more items.
Once K8P is fully conquered our chances for loot will drop rapidly and we'll have time to chug through the backlog.

I'd argue getting the Skaven language is research.
I'll point out that theres a couple of things that change the context if one considers the backlog to simply be our loot:

-Thunder Mountain exists very close by and was where the Anvils of Doom were made. Once K8P calms down that place is extremely interesting to both Kragg and Thorek and is populated by Dragon Ogres who are an entirely new lootable faction, even barring whats in Thunder Mountain itself.

-Karak Drazh has gotten a beating and is the drop off point fot three thousand years of Greenskin loot. Its a giant lootpile we can rustle through.

-Iron Rock is probably going to be more populated and further away, but has the same idea.

-The Skaven may raid at our borders or there may be colonies nearby we can raid for loot. Luckily if we trust the Golds with Skaven stuff it becomes not our problem.

-When K8P calms down the Nagarythe Adventure is likely to be on everybody's minds and many people's votes, regardless of how far we actually are in the lists of preparation people keep putting up if the push for going asap is anything to go by, because people want to be doing things that aren't research which is entirely understandable and that's not really a place where we're going to be doing research. It is a place where we're going to get whack loads of more loot though.

-There is also our coin, which sits as a studiable artifact along with all the other loot that if it actually produces something when we poke it is an enormous research project in the same vein as the Vitae going drom 2ish to over 10 projects from a single activity.

So overall our crossection of stuff we can reach out and touch if we want to go do things and loot is not going to change much between K8P being a war zone, and being calm because Boney likes to keep us busy.


If one considers loot only a part of the backlog, one will note we have another avenue which spews out new topics in the form of:

-The multifaceted paths of: Vitae research, Cross Wind research(if its possible), and the Coin(if its possible) as I already mentioned. One big Project that we can work away at for years going by how the possibilities exploded after one action put into it, with two others.

If each option on Vitae simply produces one other option in the chain, we'll get upwards of 20 actions or *five years* of full court press with no one helping and three and a half years of the Golds helping and doing nothing else.

This does not include all of the paper or book writing which exists on top of this.


Then there's the fact that by interacting with our enemies we generate papers on their magic, tech, and tactics. And there's a plentitude of targets right here in the neighborhood.

E: Additionally this all isn't happening in a passive world. If we take years to chew through it, stuff outside Is gonna change and come knocking, which will lilely mean more fish jumping into the boat.
 
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Something that should be correct in the discussion about using Dhar, due to the fact it's used one step removed we don't actually maintain the dhar super villain mind set to work it. What do you think Mathilde is some kind of schlub that didn't read the Liber Mortis? IIRC we've WOG at this point that it was Dhar exposure that fucked Fredrick Van Hal. Not manipulating dhar a step removed that warped his mind.

Again though I don't actually want to use Dhar.
 
Something that should be correct in the discussion about using Dhar, due to the fact it's used one step removed we don't actually maintain the dhar super villain mind set to work it. What do you think Mathilde is some kind of schlub that didn't read the Liber Mortis? IIRC we've WOG at this point that it was Dhar exposure that fucked Fredrick Van Hal. Not manipulating dhar a step removed that warped his mind.

Again though I don't actually want to use Dhar.
Please don't start up that topic again. We managed to avoid it thus far. But this sort of thing is very debatable (i.e. easy to debate over and hold differing opinions over). And bring it up here and now, will just start the ball rolling on debating it.

Please let's just not mention it. =/
I'll point out that theres a couple of things that change the context if one considers the backlog to simply be our loot:

- Once K8P calms down
I'll add another thing to your list, of After K8P Calms Down:

-Karak Eight Peaks. All the stuff in Karak Eight Peaks.

Because, oh yeah, isn't K8P itself a place with tons of treasure? Not only the kind that is lying about, but also the kind that was sealed away in Dwarf treasuries.

How many Elf-like magic items or devices will show up in the armories? How many Rune Golems or Rune Guardians will show up, and that Mathilde will thus take an interest in (and also with Quintessence too)? How much will looking into the effect of Ancestor Runes on the Undumgi, generate in terms of actions?

-The Emperor Ice Dragon. How many Papers will it generate?
-The Dragon's hoard. How much loot will that have?
-The Kvinn-Wyr Warpstone.

There will always, always, always be another Arquillian Battle Cruiser or Ranald's 4-faced Coin or Quintessence or Familiar or something to check out.

And if there isn't, then we'll find something else to do. Probably some other category of backlog, like people or College stuff or training.

Hell, I'd go so far as to say that... if we ever somehow did go fully through our back log -- so what? We would still have tons of stuff to do! More options and actions than we can shake a stick at. If we ever ran out of backlog actions, that's not some weird failure state nor end of the world.

And then shortly afterwards, we'll probably find more stuff to stick in the pile anyway...
 
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Actualy is is the oposite, the interesting thing is that due to her divided loyalties and the alliance between the Empire and the Karaz Ankor Mathield kind of defaults as an agent of the one she is current outside. She helped Silvania as propaganda for Belegar, the thing she learned and the favors she spend while in K8P helped against the skaven and since she spends most of her time in the Karak she is mostly an agent of the empire. And so forth this leads me to believe we don't need to worry about this unless her loyalties actualy clash, no one is going to fault Mathilde for acting as an agent of King Belegar so long as she holds a position in his council or be the same token doubt that her having that seat means the empire has a degree of influence, the problem only comes if the situation calls to benefit one at the cost of the other.

But this is kind of going on a tangent since I was mostly trying to demonstrate how he feelings weren't that tied to the letter of the law.
I don't think this is really accurate. Mathilde mostly spends official time as Loremaster of K8P, and personal time as Mathilde Weber, Grey Wizard. (Since being a Grey Wizard is so integrated into her core identity.) That a Grey Wizard is an agent of the Empire... is really rather background, as her mission from the Grey College is basically "help Belegar."

And it's true that she's passing off a lot of intelligence to the Grey College and thus the Empire, but I imagine that they are making notes of "passed on by Loremaster Mathilde Weber, Magister of the Grey College"... which is helping raise Belegar's stock with the Empire, as he's making all this possible.

But yes, Grey Wizards in general have a carefully nurtured tendency to care much less for the letter of the law, but much more for the spirit. And Mathilde is very loyal to the Grey College - it, as an institution, saved her life several times over. As she said before the battle to take the Citadel, "I wasn't born a Dame. If I didn't have magic, I'd be in a thatch hut on a tiny farm, probably on my fifth or sixth child right now, unless a plague or a famine or some roaming terror from Sylvania had carried me off."
Blame the horned rat.
You can blame the Horned Rat for just about everything, and probably not be entirely wrong.
Hell, I'd go so far as to say that... if we ever somehow did go fully through our back log -- so what? We would still have tons of stuff to do! More options and actions than we can shake a stick at. If we ever ran out of backlog actions, that's not some weird failure state nor end of the world.

And then shortly afterwards, we'll probably find more stuff to stick in the pile anyway...
I actually kinda like having a huge pile of things on the "to do" list. It's like a "here are things I just have to unwrap, and then they can be properly put in my hoard for safe-keeping". Have I mentioned that my view of Mathilde is rather like a very smol dragon? 😺
(Granted, I don't like it when paper topics aren't addressed promptly, unless they're Timeless, but that's just a matter of the world not respecting proper priorities.)
 
...Does that mean that the Battle Wizards teeming over Sylvania are getting the mind whammy?
 
Actually, I think it speaks to the tempting nature of Dhar.

Like... I forget the exact wording on this, but. We were told later on after this -- possibly it was part of the discussion of the Belt and its effects, actually -- that all during the course of our time in Sylvania and the Purge and casting magic? We had the equivalent of a little voice whispering 'Go on, try it' in the back of our head. And that this was one of the things that the Belt would block off.

More recently, we had... was it Algard or Dragomas or Roswita saying that 'The Wizard in charge of Battle Wizards in Sylvania, was saying that they had to be extra careful in Sylvania.' Gotta be vigilant.

And I think that a really good example of subtle temptation and insidiousness, would be to have your narrative speaking of how 'They fell to darkness, and they suck so bad?' Because, think about it, that's close to supervillain monologue territory isn't it? It's adjacent to stuff like 'Those fools! Why, what I would do with it is...' and 'I'll show them all!' And as chocolote12 and others have pointed out, Dhar and Necromancy is to Supervillainy and Dark Lord-ism, as Aqshy is to Hot-Bloodedness/Headedness/Passion.

So yeah. Screw that noise. Dhar, man. Not even once.
This post ended very differently than I expected. And hoped.
I remember that the most clear recent(ish) example was when Mathilde was talking about the dangers of miscasting to Panoramia, and Sunscryer came up in thought in an unflattering (and I think blame-y?) way. I think, but am not a hundred percent sure, that it might have cropped up again at some point.

Though... I think it might just have faded into the broad 'College Rivalries' umbrella, over time. i.e. While it's still a person from the past who she would hold a poor opinion of, it is no longer quite as venomous and 'active' as it was when it first happened. It becomes a matter of 'Oh yeah. That guy. Let me tell you about that guy. That guy sucked.' compared to holding a grudge and blaming and vendetta.
Which is hardly fair: the Shyish Patriarch and his three battle wizards fucked off when we needed them and then he died like an idiot, poking something that had nothing to do with the campaign, and we still like Gretel just fine.
I wonder how she feels about Markus and the rest of the Greatswords now, though? Markus was a friend for a long time. So she might have moved to forgiving him, and truly grieving him.
She's sad that of the three swords on the EIC symbol, she is the last. That's about as far as that's gone.
 
...Does that mean that the Battle Wizards teeming over Sylvania are getting the mind whammy?
Maybe. But you likely don't become a Battle Wizard unless you're good at the whole mental fortitude thing, and the Colleges know enough about Sylvania to make sure to keep an eye out.

Yeah, looking over our last talk with Roswita, they've got it covered.
"So everyone's magic is remaining cooperative?"

She shrugs. "Magister Patriarch Feldmann says that Sylvania puts everyone on edge, so they're double-checking everything. He's at least sensible, and we've been working together to sort out proper deployments to keep everyone useful and intact. Worst of it is a hill near Egling that apparently will remain magnetized for the next three hundred years or so." You pull one of the skulls from the sack, considering it, and she waves a hand at you. "Take it. Please. I'm going to have to fund an expansion to the Siegfriedhof monitored ossuary as it is."

Speaking of which, do you think they're moving against the Lahmians this turn, or if they're still gathering up and planning to hit next turn?
 
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I know it is too late given that the omake is just finished, but I've figured out the perfect way to allow Roswita to be Mathilde's designated rival:

Make Mathilde a Dwarf Lord.
And what do you know, we are firmly on that road! We made Mathilde a dwarf thane (accidentally)!

By the way, I am now imagining Mathilde accidentally getting field command in imperial armies. I mean, no one would give command to a wizard, but an experienced dwarf thane- now, that is another matter entirely!

Which is hardly fair: the Shyish Patriarch and his three battle wizards fucked off when we needed them and then he died like an idiot, poking something that had nothing to do with the campaign, and we still like Gretel just fine.
Ah, but he couldn't heal Abel. Shyish doesn't do that. So he doesn't get the blame.
 
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-Thunder Mountain exists very close by and was where the Anvils of Doom were made. Once K8P calms down that place is extremely interesting to both Kragg and Thorek and is populated by Dragon Ogres who are an entirely new lootable faction, even barring whats in Thunder Mountain itself.

-Karak Drazh has gotten a beating and is the drop off point fot three thousand years of Greenskin loot. Its a giant lootpile we can rustle through.

-Iron Rock is probably going to be more populated and further away, but has the same idea.
Not to mention that if/once we destroy those 3 places, it actually become possible to purge the Border Princes and add a new Grand County to the Empire :V
The fact of the matter is, we will never stop having things to do. The most we can hope for is a few turns specifically for research and self-improvement, like we did right after Sylvania.
 
And what do you know, we are firmly on that road! We made Mathilde a dwarf thane (accidentally)!
Our titles are getting pretty silly. What even are we now? Court Wizard Dame Thane Lore-Magister Mathilde Weber?

(Imagine if we got a lordship and a Magister Lordship, for the ultra hyper-title... Court Wizard Dame Thane LoreMagister Lord Lady Mathilde Weber.)
 
Which is hardly fair: the Shyish Patriarch and his three battle wizards fucked off when we needed them and then he died like an idiot, poking something that had nothing to do with the campaign, and we still like Gretel just fine.
Yeah, but it was because -
Ah, but he couldn't heal Abel. Shyish doesn't do that. So he doesn't get the blame.
- yeah, that.

Sunscryer had healing magic. In Mathilde's eyes, it was "his job" to fucking be there and heal the goddamn Elector Count. And he wasn't, because he exploded, and it's all his fault.

Mathilde was emotional and biased and so on. Well. Naturally so, really.
Our titles are getting pretty silly. What even are we now? Court Wizard Dame Thane Lore-Magister Mathilde Weber?

(Imagine if we got a lordship and a Magister Lordship, for the ultra hyper-title... Court Wizard Dame Thane LoreMagister Lord Lady Mathilde Weber.)
Let's try to narrow it down.

*Dame, for holding a Cactus Plant Fief
*Magister, of the Grey Order
*Loremaster, for her position on the council
*Thane, for her military responsibility

Hmm, looking at it that way, really the only difference is that Dwarfs gave an outright title to a Councillor Position. Because when you think about it, when Mathilde was back in Stirland, she was the Spymaster right? But you wouldn't usually have used that as a title the way you would Magister or Captain or Lord, right? But because it's Dwarfs, and they lionize nouns, you would indeed take an important position of authority and give it more concrete definition.

"Historically it was the Dwarf who was the official link between a Clan and the King. That it's morphed over time into a generic term for a leader in times of war is a result of the Karaz Ankor's millennia of living on a war footing. It has no official rights unless it's attached to a position (the difference between just Thane and being Thane Of X), but it's permanent unless explicitly revoked as sort of a 'this Dwarf was trusted with a huge amount of Dwarven lives and didn't fuck it up' badge of approval."

Guess that's gonna make Mathilde a Thane in the vein of 'this person was trusted with a huge amount of lives and didn't fuck it up.' No official rights and not attached to a position. But a badge of There Was An Attempt, And You Didn't Fuck It Up.
 
Our titles are getting pretty silly. What even are we now? Court Wizard Dame Thane Lore-Magister Mathilde Weber?

(Imagine if we got a lordship and a Magister Lordship, for the ultra hyper-title... Court Wizard Dame Thane LoreMagister Lord Lady Mathilde Weber.)
I'm holding out for Dragonrider.

But really, this is all a cunning plan to diplomance the ogres. At least that's my excuse when the Bursar asks why we've spend literal fortunes on mostly meaningless titles.
 
Our titles are getting pretty silly. What even are we now? Court Wizard Dame Thane Lore-Magister Mathilde Weber?

(Imagine if we got a lordship and a Magister Lordship, for the ultra hyper-title... Court Wizard Dame Thane LoreMagister Lord Lady Mathilde Weber.)

Just imagine if we can get elf titles as well...

If we do sufficient prep then with the Protector we might manage to be granted on.
 
Guess that's gonna make Mathilde a Thane in the vein of 'this person was trusted with a huge amount of lives and didn't fuck it up.' No official rights and not attached to a position. But a badge of There Was An Attempt, And You Didn't Fuck It Up.
I wonder...
Thane of Karak Eight Peaks
Mathilde is the Thane of something after all, and that was the maind diference be definition.
 
Pfft, sure he could. Necromancy is naught but advanced Shyish after all.

... Or, well, he could've if he wasn't so incompetent he got blown up doing stuff that didn't matter.
Hugger, I worry about you. You are growing increasingly bitter. Where is the optimistic insane maniac who believed that no ship is truly sunk, that love always finds a way even if it has to commit a couple of atrocities against men and gods?

You are falling from gace, Hugger. Instead of looking for ways to unite the loving hearts, you are looking for those to blame for separating them. Return to the light, Hugger. Have faith.

Remember, no ship is truly sunk and submarines are a thing.

Mathilde is the Thane of something after all, and that was the maind diference be definition.
Right now, she is. But that's temporary and unlikely to last. Think "Thane" as military rank and "Thane of k8p" as a command position. The line of command sucession automatically pulled Mathilde to the position of thane of k8p until Belegar or his military advisors return, and that automatically entitled Mathilde to thane rank. She will not hold command for long, and she will stop being the thane of k8p very soon, but her rank is for life until revoked.
 
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