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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Im partial to leaving edda to herself. We just dont have the time to help her.

it might be worth bringing up our observations about her to belegar though.
 
I was thinking about this from the new tags, but I wonder what Gazul's opinion of the tower is; presumably he's at least neutral, otherwise he wouldn't let his rune be used on it, but it would be interesting to get his opinion on being tasked with upgrading our "shoddy" engineering.
 
ADarkerPorpoise said:
It's pretty tempting to pick up some Clear Sky items, but given the relatively small area they clear up it'd probably be more efficient to try and get a permanent enchantment attached to/ near the death beam, I just worry that the celestial juice wouldn't play nice with the tower as a whole.

I suppose if we get the item version we really only have to pop a hole in the cloud coverage to locate the sun and then another to get the tower angle correct for a sky swap. :V
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I'm pretty sure the top of the mountain is too tall for clouds, it's the base of the mountain that is covered.
 
ChronOblivion said:
Oooooh my god, did not think we would be at her side holding her hand for this, wow.
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It has a certain amount of sense. A conman's life may be exciting, but it is also very, very lonely, as you have layers upon layers of lies seperating yourself from those who would normally be your friends and family.

With Mathilde, the empress doesn't need to lie. And that's a fucking lot.

We may gave known her only for a while, but we are probably the closest friend she has or can have. Well, except our mutual friend.
 
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I'm about to head to sleep, but what do people think of dedicating next turn to learning Queekish and getting information from Qretch? With battles being actively fought, this is the best time for people to do it. Especially when success means a better rep for us.

We need two actions for invisibility and the tower of course, but we should be able to focus the rest on getting information. We can switch to the Deceiver, maybe spend some favor to get someone with relevant expertise.

What do people think?
 
picklepikkl said:
Psychology for a given race has been stated to fall under the general topic section for that race; we have +7 to humans and nothing for halflings.
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I don't think this is right; the categories are racial for enemies but cultural for allies. We have +7 for Empire of Man, which would include Imperial halflings, but +0 for non-Imperial humans, which would be people from Estalia or Araby or Cathay. Halflings are culturally and psychologically much closer to us than such strange foreigners.

Likewise, our books on Ulthuan presumably are completely useless with wood elves.
 
Quest said:
I'm about to head to sleep, but what do people think of dedicating next turn to learning Queekish and getting information from Qretch? With battles being actively fought, this is the best time for people to do it. Especially when success means a better rep for us.

We need two actions for invisibility and the tower of course, but we should be able to focus the rest on getting information. We can switch to the Deceiver, maybe spend some favor to get someone with relevant expertise.

What do people think?
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A lot of people already agreed to do that.
 
You know, I'm pretty unconcerned with proposing research topics to Belegar after this.

His conundrum has one solution that I can see (and isn't him turning Slayer): realizing that the greatest way to worship the Ancetors is to bring the Karaz Ankor back into its golden age, to refill those empty halls.

The means of his current success were already unorthodox. He is about to have the best kind of mountain there is, aka a Battle Mountain, on his Karak, and that's going to be build on a foundation of cooperation between wizards and runesmiths.

A freaking magical mountain, and it will do more to secure his kingdom than tens of thousands of warriors could.

If the remaining battles were all restricted to axes, hammers and crossbows, it still wouldn't change that the foundation upon his kingdom was built on goes directly counter to current interpretation of what worshiping the Ancestors means, I.e., replicating their means and tools.

At this point, it isn't just about winning in an orthodox manner. It's winning so immensely hard, that it doesn't matter whatever small "heresies" he has committed along the way, because he opened the way for the greatest restoration and act of worship of all: replicating the Ancestor's achievements, not only their tools and means.
 
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@BoneyM: If we want to commission an item of clear skies for the tower, would that be a purchase this turn, or an action next turn? And if we cast magic through the hole made by clear skies, would that cause Dhar?
 
Quest said:
I'm about to head to sleep, but what do people think of dedicating next turn to learning Queekish and getting information from Qretch? With battles being actively fought, this is the best time for people to do it. Especially when success means a better rep for us.

We need two actions for invisibility and the tower of course, but we should be able to focus the rest on getting information. We can switch to the Deceiver, maybe spend some favor to get someone with relevant expertise.

What do people think?
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I'm not voting for a plan that doesn't involve Ranald's Temple.

Queekish, Invisibility, Tower, Temple. Four things. Spending College Favour on an Azyr wielder is probably a good idea.
TotallyNotEvil said:
You know, I'm pretty unconcerned with proposing research topics to Belegar after this.

His conundrum has one solution that I can see (and isn't him turning Slayer): realizing that the greatest way to worship the Ancetors is to bring the Karaz Ankor back into its golden age, to refill those empty halls.

The means of his current success were already unorthodox. He is about to have the best kind of mountain there is, aka a Battle Mountain, on his Karak, and that's going to be build on a foundation of cooperation between wizards and runesmiths.

A freaking magical mountain, and it will do more to secure his kingdom than tens of thousands of warriors could.

If the remaining battles were all restricted to axes, hammers and crossbows, it still wouldn't change that the foundation upon his kingdom was built on goes directly counter to current interpretation of what worshiping the Ancestors means, I.e., replicating their means and tools.

At this point, it isn't just about winning in an orthodox manner. It's winning so immensely hard, that it doesn't matter whatever small "heresies" he has committed along the way, because he opened the way for the greatest restoration of all: replicating the Ancestor's achievements, not only their tools and means.
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I agree with this. Short of fusing Ghyran and Valaya's blessings to help the dwarf people repopulate, their material circumstances will take centuries to improve. We can't fix that. We need to convince them that the greatest days of the Dawi lie in the future at all.
 
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BoneyM said:
"What did he do?" you murmur back, watching the youth. You think you might have seen him a time or two, but even in the smallest and most important Clan in Karak Eight Peaks, you just don't have the time to put a name to every face.

"Nothing." He sighs. "Nothing, when he thinks he ought have done something. Battle of Karagril, thinks he didn't step forward fast enough and fix the shieldwall when the Dwarf in front of him fell. Battle of Karag Lhune, he kept his shield raised when he thinks he should have lowered it and swung. Battle of the Eastern Gate, he busied himself dragging to safety a Dwarf he thinks he should have known was dead." You watch the newly-shorn Dwarf embrace who you assume are his parents, accept a freshly-forged axe from a Longbeard you recognize as the Eldest of Clan Angrund, and with a frozen face he walks out of the Hall of Oaths, likely never to return. "Way the Karaz Ankor is, and has been for millennia, every Dwarf must be a warrior, even those least suited to it. He had the deftest hand with a scrimshaw knife I've ever seen, could take a Skaven's fang and engrave into it the name and lineage of the one who slew it. But because he can't face battle, or perhaps because he thinks he's not good enough at facing battle, now he's going to dye his hair orange and get the proper tattoos and when he freezes up in front of a troll, he's going to be eaten. And for all the power of the crown, the most I can do is make sure he'll have easy passage at least as far as Zhufbar."
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Did the (40 year old) kid talk to a Barazul? Seems like something Math might have been curious about, given her own experiences.
 
picklepikkl said:
I'm not voting for a plan that doesn't involve Ranald's Temple.

Queekish, Invisibility, Tower, Temple. Four things. Spending College Favour on an Azyr wielder is probably a good idea.

I agree with this. Short of fusing Ghyran and Valaya's blessings to help the dwarf people repopulate, their material circumstances will take centuries to improve. We can't fix that. We need to convince them that the greatest days of the Dawi lie in the future at all.
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I was just thinking an enchanted item of clear sky, instead of a consultation.
 
HeWhoAdds said:
So I guess we want him to start following Kazador's example? :V
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I'd be lying if I said that my main reason for not shipping Belegar/Mathilde is that the dude needs to be a leader for his people in many respects, and one of them ought to be "fecundity."
wrecksalot said:
I was just thinking an enchanted item of clear sky, instead of a consultation.
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It could work. Possibly several, so as to clear larger segments of the sky at once.
 
picklepikkl said:
I'm not voting for a plan that doesn't involve Ranald's Temple.

Queekish, Invisibility, Tower, Temple. Four things. Spending College Favour on an Azyr wielder is probably a good idea.
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I would argue that stealing secrets from the skaven and using it to protect those facing them is a far better dedication to Ranald than building a temple.

Though I'll take what I can get.
 
masterofmadness said:
Huh, do we know what college Magister Patriarch Feldmann is from? I don't remember if we have heard of him before. We have meet the Grey and Amber patriarchs and it was mentioned that Elspeth was the probable new head of Amethyst Order so their are 5 potential colleges... Maybe bright? They tend to manage battle wizard a lot.
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Feldmann is Gold. He is offhandedly mentioned in Realms of Sorcery as Gelt's predecessor in his role of Gold Patriarch.
 
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picklepikkl said:
I'd be lying if I said that my main reason for not shipping Belegar/Mathilde is that the dude needs to be a leader for his people in many respects, and one of them ought to be "fecundity."

It could work. Possibly several, so as to clear larger segments of the sky at once.
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I suppose it would depend on the recharge rate of the item in question, if it can be used often, then one will do because taking a few minutes to counter your enemies gambit is probably fine, but if it recharges slowly, we could look into getting more.
 
@BoneyM Does the ease of representing its complex structures through a hologram, and the incredible popularity that an entire new Lesser spell added to the curriculum brings, revitalize the efforts of adapting the Matrix?
 
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