Well, it's a big stretch to equate those two. The conspiracy was a character creation choice and had us spending actions on it almost every turn. Nordland-Middland quarrel was never central to Mathilde's story. I mean, putting conspiracy stuff behind us is a valid choice both IC and threadwise, but so is digging to the bottom of things.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
- Location
- Washington
[X] Try to find Kasmir in Sylvania.
[X] Loremaster: Expert on weaving
I think this would be better than the other options. Because
a) they are not forest spiders though I will admit there is overlap but this may colour his views slightly,
b) they most definetly are not bees.
We want to make them understand the impact of their silks and I think best way to do it would be by someone who is going to be working with them for a long time.
[X] Princess Edda, to pry for details about her illicit romance with Prince Kazrik.
Would be a nice girls gossip and getting some juicy details. Was wondering about this since it came up during the council meating.
[X] Kragg the Grim, who you could likely convince to start gloating.
I alwayss like these moments when we can interact with him. He has such a fascinating mindset and interactions and such are always a treat for me.
[X] Karak Kadrin, presenting them with the skull of an old enemy (but not to keep).
Want to see grudge being striked. It was nice last time and will be nice again.
[X] Empress 'Heidi', to see if you can snatch a private moment to speak honestly with her.
Current vote favorite and I like many wonder what is going on.
[X] A bathtub, an even better place for reading.
Would be so good to have long soak in the skull of a dragon while reading some nice good novels like liber mortis and other abominations against imperial authority. This or the chair.
I think this would be better than the other options. Because
a) they are not forest spiders though I will admit there is overlap but this may colour his views slightly,
b) they most definetly are not bees.
We want to make them understand the impact of their silks and I think best way to do it would be by someone who is going to be working with them for a long time.
[X] Princess Edda, to pry for details about her illicit romance with Prince Kazrik.
Would be a nice girls gossip and getting some juicy details. Was wondering about this since it came up during the council meating.
[X] Kragg the Grim, who you could likely convince to start gloating.
I alwayss like these moments when we can interact with him. He has such a fascinating mindset and interactions and such are always a treat for me.
[X] Karak Kadrin, presenting them with the skull of an old enemy (but not to keep).
Want to see grudge being striked. It was nice last time and will be nice again.
[X] Empress 'Heidi', to see if you can snatch a private moment to speak honestly with her.
Current vote favorite and I like many wonder what is going on.
[X] A bathtub, an even better place for reading.
Would be so good to have long soak in the skull of a dragon while reading some nice good novels like liber mortis and other abominations against imperial authority. This or the chair.
The way I see Boney's Grey Order it's not true. We can and arguably should add "former Grey Order breach" to our backlog. As long as we seem to act in good faith, the higher-ups won't resort to drastic measures.
That's a strange way to say 'wandered off to poke a magic thing during a pitched battle and crit failed'. At least he didn't explode like the other one.
Mathilde actually has been taking appropriate in character actions to try to find out about this stuff. It's just that she crit failed and so we didn't get to see the classified Grey Order report, and since it was a crit fail we might never get to. But you'll notice a lot of people voting to talk to not-Gabriella, who might be able to fill us in.
It's just that going rogue and pulling 007 moves over a conspiracy we helped excise in what our superiors seem to think is a more or less satisfactory matter is pretty out of character.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
I think digging is not IC. Math is a fully trained professional spy, and concepts of information security and need to know basis were drilled into her since childhood. I don't think she will dig for state secrets she knows she has not right to access unless her faith in the Grey order is very seriously shaken and she starts treating them as a hostile organisation.
Not sure if you saw this, but a while back:
TimEd
Meteor maker
The Conspiracy was part of Character Creations? Sure. But did Mathilde have anything to do with said plot? NO. She was just one piece who unexpectedly suceeded beyond anyone's wildest expectaions.
Now. On to the Civil Problem. Is it part of Character Creation? No. And that should be a Plus in its favor, since its a result of (quite a lot) rolls which occured In Story which caused Abelheim to be starved for reinforcements from the Empire. And if it wasnt due to Suddenly Dragon, and Dwarven Artillery, Abelheim would have floundered.
The Empire has CONSTANTLY failed in supporting any of the endeavors related to us. And of those we receive, it is only those who are doing it despite the Empire instead of because of it. Hell the Nordland and Middlander reinforcements we had for K8P went to us specifically to escape the political shitstorm brewing. Also dont forget that the Wiz Help we got for Silvanian push had to be phrased as that Magister Lord's Vacation Time.
That seems like something which is much more related to Mathilde's situation doesnt it?
Edit: more polite like.
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- Location
- Philippines
I meant failure for the current her, her actions indirectly led to the potential murder fo the empress, which her order may or may not be responsibility for, the current her would gather information actually understand what is going on, who the bad guys are, and take the right contingencies for any possible fallouts.
She not only failed in protecting the empress which should have been her duty , but indirectly got her killed, so yes she messed something up, and is hoping that the empress' died as a natural result rather than indirectly got killed by her actions, so no it's not mere curiosity
She gave the list immediately, and approved of a lot of people getting assassinated without gathering evidence that they actually deserves to die, just assuming the grey order knows best, she didn't even try to investigate some of the names to see whats going on, why are thw grey order killing them.
Would the current Mathilde have done the same thing blindly trusting someone even her mentor without thorough investigation, having evidence before going on to assassinate plenty of individuals.
As I see it, critical parts of GO modus operandi are "think for yourself" and "trust but verify". Double-checking important things is not against her trust in Grey Order (that is not absolute, by the way: we had seen it compromised). Same as Grey Order trust us with our great deed but will sends ninjas to double check just in case.
TimEd
Meteor maker
Edit: GAAAAHHHH. I lost the entire bit! WTH. I will endevor to readd the bit where Mathilde was aware of the conspiracy at the least.
"Tell me of your society and of your fellows within it, and you can live," you lie.
Thankfully, she's too terrified to deny it. Information tumbles out, and you take mental notes. At first, a social club. Deeper, an organization for the mutual benefit of its members, trading favours in society. Deeper still, odd little rituals that bring luck and favour from frowned-upon Gods, tip-toeing on the edge of blasphemy in a manner designed to thrill, and you frown to hear Ranald mentioned. And deepest yet, the layer this woman exists within: scandalous and titillating rituals to a grab-bag of truly forbidden gods, to Khaine, to Stromfels, to Gunndred and Ahalt. What next, you wonder? Do they take the final terrible step into the worship of Chaos, or is all this designed to filter out those who would balk and drag people deep in before revealing to them their vampiric masters? Or is this a strange hybrid of chaotic and vampiric, or an intersection of two separate societies? Or did one suborn the other?
It doesn't matter, not really. The cure is the same. The woman spills names and levels in the cult, and you memorise them eagerly. And as the last name hangs in the air and the woman is babbling pleas for her life, you inhale Ulgu and exhale forgetfulness.
Thankfully, she's too terrified to deny it. Information tumbles out, and you take mental notes. At first, a social club. Deeper, an organization for the mutual benefit of its members, trading favours in society. Deeper still, odd little rituals that bring luck and favour from frowned-upon Gods, tip-toeing on the edge of blasphemy in a manner designed to thrill, and you frown to hear Ranald mentioned. And deepest yet, the layer this woman exists within: scandalous and titillating rituals to a grab-bag of truly forbidden gods, to Khaine, to Stromfels, to Gunndred and Ahalt. What next, you wonder? Do they take the final terrible step into the worship of Chaos, or is all this designed to filter out those who would balk and drag people deep in before revealing to them their vampiric masters? Or is this a strange hybrid of chaotic and vampiric, or an intersection of two separate societies? Or did one suborn the other?
It doesn't matter, not really. The cure is the same. The woman spills names and levels in the cult, and you memorise them eagerly. And as the last name hangs in the air and the woman is babbling pleas for her life, you inhale Ulgu and exhale forgetfulness.
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- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
I just want to say how impressed I am with Dragomas. He got through the dark lands and the Mountians of Morne as journeyman. Then he worked his way through the politics of foreign country enough to get a non aggression pact. (And, if the rumors are believed, did it without pants) Then managed to haul said jade tablet all the way back through the dark lands without loosing it or getting it irreparably damaged.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
I don't know, I have a lot of trouble imagining any kind of intelligence organisation being blase about this kind of thing.
Digging for info because you think something is fishy? Fine.
Doing so after being told it is a state secret of highest order and given direct orders to pretend that nothing happened and not attract attention to the matter? Either too stupid to live or an enemy agent.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Abhorash, mostly
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Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
- Location
- A Valid Location
- Pronouns
- He/Him
As others have pointed out, a member of the weaver clan from Karak Hirn is going to be from the clan that's competing with the products of the We. Bringing on this loremaster in particular would be even more self-defeating than bringing on the one who's focus in studying spiders is on how to kill them.
DarkLight140
Credit to Team
- Location
- Lost in my thoughts
Well, yeah.
- Mathilde receives a list of names of people who are apparently part of some suspicious activity from a source she considers probably reliable
- She hands it over to someone else who she trusts with the matter and knows has the numbers and resources to deal with it
- She pats herself on the back and moves on, confident that the situation is adequately handled
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A real one? Sure, can't work like that. Real intelligence agencies are very hierarchical, well-controlled top to bottom, almost entirely amoral and not suited to the adventurers with any kind of moral compass. Grey Order's entire premise is the almost complete opposite of a real-world intelligence agency, that's why I don't have any problems with that little detail.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
TimEd
Meteor maker
I added in the Spoilered bit the results of Mathilde asking to be included in dealing with said conspiracy.
She definitely didnt just hand the names and left. Though she wasnt part of the cleanup part.
- Location
- Philippines
That was only one target, there are plenty like Gabrielles name, who she still has no idea of what's going on besides her becoming empress.
Plus the previous empress died which coincide with the conspiracy mass assassination.
It is fishy a empress got murdered wight when conspiracy got purged .
Yes because she blindly trust those of the highest with stat orders, which is why she told them about Liber Mortis.
Oh wait she didn't tell them about that book
To Mathilde the merchants were the clear bad guys, although there may be merchants being cowrced, however what makes the conspiracy shady is that, she has minimal understanding and knowledge about it, and then the empress also died later which may or may not be connected to conspiracy.
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More related to the situation at hand and central to the story are not synonyms. For example, some Master Moulder under Karagril is a lot more relevant to the situation that Abelhelm who has died about half a quest ago but the latter is important to the story in a way the former is not. Nordland to Middenland conflict is not insignificant for Mathilde, sure, but it wasn't a formative influence for her character, or at least not at the same scale.
- Location
- Norway
"Use the large template" has a specific rulebook meaning, it's nowhere near a hundred meters across.
Small template: circle 6 yards across
Large template: circle 10 yards across
Cone template: cone 16 yards long, 1 yard wide at the thin end, 5 yards wide at the thick end