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Teaching them writing? No.
Further, it looks like I may find myself in the unusual position of hoping one of our (delegated, in this case) actions fails this turn!
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Further, it looks like I may find myself in the unusual position of hoping one of our (delegated, in this case) actions fails this turn!
BungieONI
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For me his trustworthiness is unrelated to my opinion, because I see the snake juice as Mathilde's through and through. She did the miscast which summoned it, she dealt with it for seven years, then trapped it through obscene luck in a box of her personal construction and has sat on it like a dragon on her hoard for another six.
So I see it as something she can and has made for herself, so I'm full steam ahead for being a cagey wizard about it.
There's also a side thing I've brought up before where if we bring someone in immediately depending on how we do it we're foisting all the work on them, which is silly, or splitting it which is meh for the above reasons.
So I see it as something she can and has made for herself, so I'm full steam ahead for being a cagey wizard about it.
There's also a side thing I've brought up before where if we bring someone in immediately depending on how we do it we're foisting all the work on them, which is silly, or splitting it which is meh for the above reasons.
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Yeah. I'm in favour of seeing what we can figure out ourselves, first, before we consider bringing in co-researchers on the project.
You know. In five years, when we start.
Lealope
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Johann can get fucked, we've already given this dipshit a year long vacation, there's no way we're sharing something as precious and hard won as the snake juice with him too.
Teaching them writing? No.
Further, it looks like I may find myself in the unusual position of hoping one of our (delegated, in this case) actions fails this turn!
That Pandora's box has already been opened, at this point teaching them semaphore won't change anything but the Dwarf's ability to communicate with them.
I just can't wait till the Skaven fuck with them and these little guys end up being the source of the Tyranids.
I'm not super sure normal wizards are even worth one shiny to be honest. They just don't have a lot to offer for the dwarves. Like, what roles do wizards serve?
Magic: Either they have nothing game changing on a large scale or they introduce the risk of horrifying Miscasts
Dispelling: This is what Runelords are for. They're a native Dwarf force (which has many benefits) and don't have a risk of exploding seemingly at random
Enchanted items: lol
What did Johann, Max and Panoramia actually do? Help grow plants? Make the artillery somewhat more accurate? They were useful and all but those are more akin to pluses than a qualitative change.
Meanwhile, Mathilde can do goofy shit like walk into an enemy base with no support, bringing crucial intel, assassinating HVTs and sabotaging the hell out of their infrastructure while also being fighty enough to survive if anything goes wrong. Moreover, If she explodes, she'll do so in an enemy base instead of right next to your artillery or in the middle of your infantry.
Rangers are great and all but there's a world of difference between their scouting and a Grey Wizard's deep infiltration. We just fill an enormous niche in the Dwarven skillset.
I suppose we could have been like a combination of Gunnar and Anton, rolling well enough and often enough that we ended up back filled as some kind of overstatted monster but that doesn't really feel right. Even Anton didn't grant Abelheim a trait that could unlock a new Diplomatic doctrine.
Nah, it makes more sense that Belegar could purchase Hero characters in chargen as potential advisors and those madlads ended up picking an Umgi wizard.
Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.
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You could say that whole line of thought is in-character and appropriate for the setting and circumstances of the character, but wow. Wow.
The attitude behind those words is a hell of a thing for any researcher to have.
It might be "true to the setting" but it's also completely wince-inducing from a modern perspective. Like if any real world researcher thought like that, I'd hope they'd get drummed out of any institution they were a part of. In shame.
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Maybe we should introduce the We to religion, let them create their own Horned
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I can just imagine the arguments.
"Of course we should get a Grey Wizard, they're the best at exactly what we're worst at!"
"You fools, we literally picked Kragg the Grim as one of our choices. How do you think he'll react to some manling Wizard?"
I'm just glad we don't have to experience the literal waifu wars.
"Give me one good reason we don't marry Princess Grimbrow right now!"
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Personally, I think we should find ways to hoard more things to sit on like a dragon. I like hoarding the good stuff. Deathwing might appreciate the sentiment.
Oh, and I forgot to mention it. I absolutely loved the Kragg scene. While it's true that dwarfs don't use swords, they do make them. They are a symbol of the bond between Man and Dwarf. And, by putting Mathilde in the place of Sigmar, Kragg places himself in the place of Alaric. Kragg is rightly proud, but even he has to cede that Alaric is his superior in Runecraft. So, if his work is to be compared with Alaric in the same breath without shaming himself and his entire race, he has to throw everything he has at this, one of his finest creations, and the last gasp of a dying age.
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"you fool, Marrying the Magister will cement goodwill with the EMpire for a lifetime!"
"An Umgi lifetime maybe, and remember that the Empire doesn't like mages, so I doubt the diplo gainz will be as large as you predict."
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Man dwarves don't get enough rap in WHF. They love to sit on hordes just as much as dragons.
Nix's Warden
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I'm sigging this too.
BungieONI
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I love the image of Mathilde hoarding and actually completing research projects like a dragon does gold.
Also just to revisit an thought I've shared before which adds more context to my post just a bit ago, there was a point about two or three hundred pages back where people suggested going to Kragg with it because it might be helpful to him and us. On the face of it, an interesting idea if you get past dwarf traditionalism.
I then raised the counter point of if we go to Kragg right now to talk to him about it all we'll be able to bring to the table will be "I caught this warp entity in a mirror box by luck and now its bleeding daemon blood forever" which is a summary of the first part of this post and some speculation in the rest.
We can share that with Kragg and he can riff on it how he chooses to. This is limited to "I caught this warp entity in a mirror box by luck and now its bleeding daemon blood forever" and speculation. Not a very in depth thing to go off of.
So to make better use of both of our times I figured, and still do, that we should do enough study to get some good conclusions off of it so that we can go to Kragg with "I caught this warp entity in a mirror box by luck and now its bleeding daemon blood forever" and speculation and actual conclusions that we can discuss with the oldest Runelord still living.
The same applies to anyone else we bring in. The conversation we can have is more meaningful, and useful for ours and theirs time if we have something to take to them.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
We know that daemon blood is used in runecraft, along with dragon fire. If we get it done before he's finished with our sword, he might be able to use it for something (assuming all daemon blood is homogeneous, of course, which isn't exactly guaranteed).
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No freaking way is Kragg gonna start experimenting with new runes on our 25 favour sword within 18 months. There's no real harm in asking though and it might bring an unforeseen benefit.
Edit: I'm pretty sure Snake Juice isn't standard blood. It would have come up in our daemon books if that was the case. Heck we don't even know if the juice comes from the Snake itself. Could just be leakage from the Aethyr side of the connection.
I don't care about leaving a legacy. He's a Gold Magister, the college that basically specializes in researching weird magical substances. Hardly another pair of hands.
Also please clarify the risks. That entails a ton of things and you might have made a connection that I didn't.
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BungieONI
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And that the prelim stages of finding out the basics for it can be done in three turns, which I am not... I'm holding out some hope but not a lot if you get the picture.
WanderingEye
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Considering the drought of weapons for the army, anyone considered ramping up EIC gun factory? I know it costs a lot of favor but hey (relatively) affordable source of guns!
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Huh, we really can get alerts when people edit their posts now. Neat. I wonder if there's a time limit on that or anything.
Not experimenting, using old things that he didn't have the resources for. It might require a change of plans from him, but he'd do it if he knew he'd get a better result.
BungieONI
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Far as I know there isn't.
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- Singapore
There's a case for it, especially if we arrange things such as enough of the increased production making it's way to Eight Peaks, while selling to Clan Angrund at better tan the current market price (which no doubt is higher than normal due to shortages). We might be able to gain back some of that favor, if the expenditure is for the sake of Karag Eight Peaks and the Protector coin was on.
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Holding the snakeblood as our personal shiny for research seems both suboptimal and greedy. We're damn good at this magic stuff, sure, but we're not Gold-Wizard good at research and it's not like shared credit actually hurts us much mechanically. This is especially true if it ends up being something that requires a lot of actions sunk into it to actually make something worthwhile from.
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I'm so glad people get edits, I almost always edit my comments 4 times over as the background of mind stubbornly refuses to move on. The instant quoting system in mobile is crap so I respond as I read.
BungieONI
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She did bring up the possibility in the update. We have a year to maneuver, and I figure if we're serious we should go all in on the seven favor for quality(4), efficiency(2), and safety(1).