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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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I feel like spending excessive amounts money on romance novels isn't quite comparable to callous nobles wasting money. Mathilde's money is fairly earned adventuring loot, it's not like she's blowing all the incomes from her estate, eating cake while her subjects starve or something similar. Spending money on the books shouldn't make her any sort of bad actor, I think.

That said, I don't disagree with anyone that votes against buying the books. I believe the romance books amount to 550 gold coins, which is something like a bit more than 6% of Mathilde's current wealth, and I think it entirely reasonable to not want to spend that much on something with no apparent mechanical benefit. That said, I don't think a lack of bonuses would make the purchase be without value, however, especially if Mathilde ends up opening her library to others, as was suggested some pages ago.

I personally like the idea of Mathilde splurging on a guilty pleasure, and don't feel like the cost is too high in this case to indulge in a bit of frivolity.
 
I'd probably normally be against a super frivolous purchase like MANY ROMANCE NOVELS, but my heart is making a concession given I'm voting for the Big Chonker of a weapon against my own desires. :lol:
 
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels. Tilean Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.
 
Throwing money greedily chasing transitory, at-best single-turn-relevant bonuses like this is I think more distasteful to me at a meta level than some people find angling for reforging the gromril.
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if we end up spending actions
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Are we going to spend hundreds every turn trying to anticipate the next turns actions? When does it end?

Core stuff, like Orcs, Skaven, their magic, warpstone- sure, yes, that's why we're here.

DarkLight140 said:
So yeah, I fully support dropping ridiculous sums of cash on books that are of only marginal utility. If there were options to spend ridiculous sums on building cannon factories or investing in gyrocopter transport lines or funding the construction of a new steamship for the Blood River I'd be fully in support of those too.
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We don't know that there aren't those options.
 
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Romance novel bookcrossing republic is actually useful: through it we, for example, know and can bond with Edda. A hoard of romance novels is not the most practical purchase but it's more useful than Morrite lore.
 
[X] [SPIDER] Make no recommendation.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be allowed to scutter off into the Underway, never to be seen again.
The humanoid races of Warhammer get into plenty of scraps with each other. For that matter, the *humans* fight each other on a regular basis. Trying to team up with spiders? Sounds like a great opportunity for things to go horribly, horribly wrong when they have a violent misunderstanding.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.
Fairly straightforward IMO.


[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons

Grey Magic! And tactical reduction.

[X] [RUNE] No purchase.
This is the one where I have serious reservations. Killing stuff is a small minority of Mathilde's activities; even when she gets up close she's done well enough with pistol, regular sword, shadowchisel, and the sheer advantage of ambushes, plus there's spells like Shadow Knives (scales with magic) that ignore armor that don't cost 25 favor to get if something really needs to be stabbed much harder than a regular sword allows.
[X] [RUNE] 15 Favour Sword
[X] [RUNE] 10 favour sword
[X] [RUNE] Ranger's Greatsword 15 Favor
Approval voting for these just to oppose the oversized 25 vote. 15 got us Kragg's Belt of the Unshackled Mountain. 25 seems likely to derail the quest as people strive to find excuses to get into fights and use the sword as often as possible because otherwise the favor will be 'wasted'.

Also, there's the escalation feedback loop that has people talking about fighting bloodthirsters and dragons and whatnot, which I would really like to not get into because it seems like a near-infinite sink of gear upgrades and ludicrous training.
 
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Alliterate said:
We don't know that there aren't those options.
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To be honest, I think there will come a time several turns from now, where we wished we had 700 gold crowns more of room to maneuver with.... QM generosity may well suggest that there are going to be attractive options that would eventually render our money scarcer, in the same way, generosity in a RPG game may well suggest that such generosity is needed for a hard fight ahead. I know the response of people who want to splurge that gold is that this is speculative, but alot of the potential expenses down the line probably isn't going to be unlocked in the first turn. And yes, Mathilde has an oath of poverty, but this isn't an oath of imprudent and impulsive spending.

To put things into perspective, 700 GC is half our debt to the EIC, granted that that debt is being automatically repaid over the next 14 turns and is interest free.
 
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Andres110 said:
Why are we getting the Morrite lore?
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The stated reason is as a cover for knowing unreasonable amounts of things the Morrites don't tell people, from the Liber Mortis. It has a side benefit of having crossover with Gunnars, and being a good talking point with the Morrites in Stirland and abroad.

We bought Ulrican and Ranaldite lore, too.
 
HanEmpire said:
To supplement the Liber Mortis knowledge I think. Become master on the subject of death and proper rites thereof so that we can deal with the restless souls of the bodies that we'll be jacking with our Ulgu-Necromancy, or whatever comes of our study of the Liber Mortis.
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That terrifies me.

[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels. Tilean Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
 
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No seriously that's horrible. This ulgu necromancy would, no matter its form, be as bad as necromancy in moral impact. I can't believe that people really want to go through with it.
 
Andmeuths said:
To be honest, I think there will come a time several turns from now, where we wished we had 700 gold crowns more of room to maneuver with.... QM generosity may well suggest that there are going to be attractive options that would eventually render our money scarcer, in the same way, generosity in a RPG game may well suggest that such generosity is needed for a hard fight ahead.
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We make over 200 gold a turn. We're not exactly poor and as we expand the EIC that amount is only going to increase.
 
No sound reason as far as I am concerned.
Morr lore is included in a grab-bag purchase as a "it might be useful" if we take a specific action... when we've already got Deep Morrite Lore from the Necrobook.

And, eh. Ranaldite was understandable, Ulrican- well, 20,000 reasons nearby. Still, it's not exactly job-related, so was symptomatic of this same tendency.
 
Andres110 said:
No seriously that's horrible. This ulgu necromancy would, no matter its form, be as bad as necromancy in moral impact. I can't believe that people really want to go through with it.
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Ulgu-necromancy is not what we're going for, and Mathilde is never going to voluntarily use Dhar. The reason for the lore is to give us a cover for knowing some of the secret Morrite knowledge in the LM, not let us use ulgu-necromancy.
 
Andres110 said:
No seriously that's horrible. This ulgu necromancy would, no matter its form, be as bad as necromancy in moral impact. I can't believe that people really want to go through with it.
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Well, considering we know nothing about it because we haven't invented it yet, maybe put the brakes on the shock and horror for now.
 
I got kind of sad thinking about the Avatar trait now. Ranald can't be like "LOL, saved your life with a surprise cat!!! WHAT A PRANK" at us anymore, since presumably we'll feel it coming. :V

Re: the Morr Lore book, we have Advanced Morrite Lore as a learning skill now, it's probably gonna come up now and then. Having a book bonus for all that Morr thinking we can do is just useful.
 
Andmeuths said:
I'm concerned that some future types of EIC expansion might be one of those things where we may well have to inject our own capital into, depending on the options offered.
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Our own capital is automatically injected into the EIC. What we get is a fraction of the profit, with the rest being used to expand it.
 
ADarkerPorpoise said:
I got kind of sad thinking about the Avatar trait now. Ranald can't be like "LOL, saved your life with a surprise cat!!! WHAT A PRANK" at us anymore, since presumably we'll feel it coming. :V
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Naw, go back and reread the skaven scouting action. We seem to be MORE likely to be like 'Oh hey, cat eyes in the darkness, better follow it' into some ridiculously lucky contrivance than we were before. Mathilde didn't notice that one coming at all with any special divine senses.
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It uses Dhar, and only evil has ever come from - or could come from - Dhar. Everyone, including you, should know this.
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Well, for one thing it may not look like necromancy, so the impact to morale is debatable.

And this of course is ignoring our ability to find a Dhar construct and reverse-engineer it into ulgu, no dhar required. It's how we created Mathilde's Matrix.
 
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