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@Alliterate, though I may be wrong (@Quest can correct me) I think the amber magic is primarily to help with the spiders, and what needs to be done to help along communications and coordination. could be wrong though.
We don't need a branch colleges worth of books on Amber magic to do it, though.
The lists are grab bags of "ohh this might be useful."
Whatever is needed to be done with the spiders can be done with the +7 bonus we've already bought... no?
What price, attempting to grant bonuses to every roll we engage in?
The price of opportunity.
And the lists are padded with rubbish. Morr???
Focus the lists and we can talk about approval voting a purchase.
 
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[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.

I want to leave the decision to Belegar regarding the armor. Also want the human delegation leader to sort themselves out, though I also dont mind the merchant one to win (female knight would have been nice too).

Dont much care for the rune, library and other votes even with all the pages of arguments, so I'll just leave that be.
 
I notice people aren't actually voting for charity.
Keep in mind that the Romance Library option spends 200 gold on romance novels that we can't even read, and hundreds more on others. This crosses the line from 'amusing quirk,' to 'why,' and is the reason that we're currently buying no books at all.
 
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There is no such thing as 'without fear of miscast' when it comes to battle magic, both in this quest and in canon.
Addendum; there is, however, "stacking enough bonuses to make miscast incredibly unlikely."

We are fairly likely to be hitting Learning 25+ in following turns on Liber Mortis alone. Should be realistic against opposing forces without spellcasters, or neutralized spellcasters. VS actual opposition, well, need a trait for that.
 
Keep in mind that the Romance Library option spends 200 gold on romance novels that we can't even read, and hundreds more on others. This crosses the line from 'amusing quirk,' to 'why,' and is the reason that we're currently buying no books at all.
Are you perhaps implying that people are choosing No Purchase to punish the thread for its foolishness, like spritzing a cat who won't get off the table?

Because I could totally start arguing that hundreds of gold worth of romance novels is a perfectly sensible purchase if you'd like.
 
Extensive Amber Magic? :???:
doubling up on Linguistics? Morr?
Amber magic would give bonuses to any action that involves amber magic. This would also cover using windsage to analyze animals and ghur-based emotions.

I intend to have books focusing on all eight winds of magic to go with our vision.

That said, Morr is slightly less immediately useful but if we end up spending actions on Liber Mortis based experiments they might as well be.
Which leads to yet more impetus to spend hundreds, or thousands of gold to pick up +2 buffs here and there scattered across specific fields.
Focus, and I'd be happier.
Bonuses that stack. What else are you going to spend gold on other than this and our tower?
 
I think the romance books are hilarious, and it feels like Mathilde is sort of impulsively fulfilling a childhood dream. Like, the caretakers were like "No Mathilde, you can't have more books than fit in your room", and she'd pout and swear that one day she'd have ALL the books. And now she does.
And hey, maybe that's childish, but wizards don't get much in the way of childhood, and a bit of silly joy is a great way not to lose yourself.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels. Tilean Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] Item to communicate with The We.
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

Weren't people hankering for Gold-Wind study enchantments?
 
I think the romance books are hilarious, and it feels like Mathilde is sort of impulsively fulfilling a childhood dream. Like, the caretakers were like "No Mathilde, you can't have more books than fit in your room", and she'd pout and swear that one day she'd have ALL the books. And now she does.
And hey, maybe that's childish, but wizards don't get much in the way of childhood, and a bit of silly joy is a great way not to lose yourself.

If a real life person spent less than 5% of a fortune on themselves and then the rest on their extremely stressful and altruistic job, they'd be canonized as a saint.

also jesus fuck she's reading the liber mortis right now, i think she's allowed some measure of stress relief.
 
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Are you perhaps implying that people are choosing No Purchase to punish the thread for its foolishness, like spritzing a cat who won't get off the table?

Because I could totally start arguing that hundreds of gold worth of romance novels is a perfectly sensible purchase if you'd like.
That's not going to change that people are unwilling to spend hundreds of gold on a meme, and that the result of the meme was a counterpush leading to no books at all, as the only thing the Library vote could unite behind.
 
I think the romance books are hilarious, and it feels like Mathilde is sort of impulsively fulfilling a childhood dream. Like, the caretakers were like "No Mathilde, you can't have more books than fit in your room", and she'd pout and swear that one day she'd have ALL the books. And now she does.
And hey, maybe that's childish, but wizards don't get much in the way of childhood, and a bit of silly joy is a great way not to lose yourself.
Mathilde: "By Ranald, I killed over 100 Greenskins, saved over 1,500 Dwarvish lives and disrupted a ceremony to Gork to get this library, and it is going to be the best library."
Ranald: "Look at it this way; she could be spending it on sex, drugs and rock n' roll instead. ... Actually, that sounds kind of fun. Mathilde-"
Mathilde: "BOOKS!"
 
I think the romance books are hilarious, and it feels like Mathilde is sort of impulsively fulfilling a childhood dream. Like, the caretakers were like "No Mathilde, you can't have more books than fit in your room", and she'd pout and swear that one day she'd have ALL the books. And now she does.
And hey, maybe that's childish, but wizards don't get much in the way of childhood, and a bit of silly joy is a great way not to lose yourself.
Mathilde herself has expressed a similar sentiment before, which is why I'm voting to buy the books.
In any case, the loss of [Maximilian's] Dwarvish friends has been balanced out with some new Human ones, and he seems to have somehow befriended Codrin, and has taken to wearing a bow. No arrows, though. He just sort of plucks the string while casting Silver Arrows of Arha. When he saw you watching him practice he claimed it acted as a focus for the spell, but he was stammering far too hard for you to believe him. You try not to judge him too harshly - being a Wizard all too often involves a childhood cut short, and you suppose there's no harm in him reclaiming his.
 
About Dhar: I'm a little concerned that we won't be able to show off our newfound (if theoretical) necromancer-smashing skills without someone catching on and going "thank you for saving us, now WELCOME TO DIE YOU HERETIC."

Funnily enough, I've just re-read the part where Abel told us that the one person that doesn't fully believe in us, is ourselves, and here we are, throwing it up the command chain instead of making a stand.

The way I see it, that his best option also is likely to benefit us is a very fortunate coincidence, but it doesn't change the fact that I find the reforging the best idea.

With Abel, we were talking about things entirely within our expertise and explicitly within our roles as Spymaster and Grey Wizard.

Here, with Belegar, we're talking about dwarven armor made from a rare dwarven metal, and what to do about it plunges deep within the workings of dwarven culture and centuries of tradition.

Given the vote and choices presented to us, I know we're within our rights to suggest what should be done about the armor for the good of the dwarves and K8P, but hinting or outright asking that it be made into a thing specifically for us just... doesn't sit right with me. Worse still to assume that all this would dovetail into making our sword.

I mean, it makes sense really given their history, but I find it a little amusing that our books on Ulthuan come from the Dwarves.

"This treatise aims to serve as a wholly balanced and unbiased primer to the LONG AND MOSTLY BORING HISTORY (save for some terrible highlights of stupidity) of the ELGI OF ULTHUAN, also known to any right-thinking dawi as the BACKSTABBING BEARD-SHAVING KNIFE-EARED CRETINS (KNIFE-EARS for short), and HIGH ELVES by everyone else. Higher than what, this author has no clue, for their kneecaps are at the perfect height for a good grudgin' with a sharp axe. Ah, but I digress.

"Now as the umgi have written somewhere, probably on the back of a barroom napkin, the first king of the KNIFE-EARS was AENARION, who apparently did some poncy magic stuff that no one cares about, and then there was CALEDOR I, whose greatest crime was appointing as his heir CALEDOR II. And of course, CALEDOR II was a piece of shite whose name shall persist in the BOOK OF GRUDGES forevermore, may his grobi-gnawed bones rot as far from the mountains as possible..."
 
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Let's get some perspective. Mathilde has spent, less than what, 5% of her disposable wealth on those books? I'm willing to bet that she's spent proportionally less of her money on luxuries than anybody in this thread and almost everyone in the Empire.

And it's not the sort of recurring expenditure that would make that a problem. It's one and she's done pretty much forever. If you won't be convinced by that or the motivation for learning new languages that foreign books provide, then at least keep the Imperial Extensive collection. At 50/14000, that's not even 0.005% of the Ranald haul.

Let her have that much at least. This is her one foible. Considering all she's done, Mathilde deserves some nice things.
Mathilde does deserve nice things, but that doesn't justify being super wasteful with money just because that money's a small percentage of what she has. She's not gonna get five times the enjoyment from spending 5% as what she'd get spending 1%, or even way less. Near every leisure thing Mathilde's interested in costs her literally nothing or way less than what the books cost, and what few other leisure stuff remains is similarly exorbitantly expensive and not worth the cost no matter her earnings. There's a point where a foible stops being a bit of unobjectionable fun and starts costing hundreds of gold.

50 gold is admittedly a very small number, so I'll probably vote for it next turn if the option's available, but this turn I just want to reign it in.

also jesus fuck she's reading the liber mortis right now, i think she's allowed some measure of stress relief
She's still got the entire Karak Eight Peaks book swap economy and eternal free drinks in every dwarf hold bar Karaz-a-Karak and the shrine/gambling hall/tavern and the literal best puppy in the entire world and...yeah. Whole hell of a lot of stress relief options. The problem isn't spending money on leisure in general, it's in spending literally hundreds of gold on leisure, particularly in the case of those books she can't read.
 
So I've been thinking about the Liber Mortis and the Frederick Van Hall, specifically how his book passed to his kin intact. it is said that after his apprentice murdered him Van Hall's ghost lead a party of knights back into his keep to avenge himself on his apprentice. And that got me wondering, why would those knights follow the shade of a dead necromancer? Might not one of them have known him, perhaps even been related to him?

If it was his son or other relative that helped avenge Van Hall than it would make a strong case for why they kept the book, the man himself could have made the case for all the good it might yet do in both combating undead (insights which I suspect the Hunter Count among others used) and maybe even in battling the Skaven should the rat-men return.

The last part sounds a bit insane doesn't it, but remember those knights, that hypothetical descendant had lived through the famine and the blight, though the rain of Warpstone and the coming of the Skaven too. The same doubts and desperation that broke Frederick Van Hall's faith may well have sorely tested theirs, enough to listen, enough at least to keep the book secret and safe rather than destroying it as almost any other faithful of Mor or Sigmar would do.
 
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What say we find out about the costs of our tower first?
I'm not opposed to buying any more books, not at all.
But the list smacks of frivolous bonus-chasing for things-we-might-maybe-need-once-sometime.
You've only named one thing so far that is a one-time bonus I.e Morr. Maybe you don't see it, but to me the rest seem to me consistent bonuses that will keep applying for our current job.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels. Tilean Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] Item to communicate with The We.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
 
[] [LIBRARY] Restrained Purchases
-[] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Grey Magic, Extensive Warpstone. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic.
 
I want Mathilde to fund printing presses and create public libraries with some of this information. Some of this is a gold mine of skills that must be spread far and wide. That it'd turn K8P humans into the best lovers of the Old World is a nice bonus too. Help with the population growth and all that.

[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels. Tilean Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] Item to communicate with The We.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
 
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[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.

Yeah, I still remember when we were scalping single gold coins out of our budget. I doubt someone who had to do that to cover her debt would suddenly spend hundreds of gold coins on romance novels, especially with the bursars already looking closely.

Everyone is of course free to vote as they wish, but I'm not willing to spend this much on a meme.
 
What say we find out about the costs of our tower first?
I'm not opposed to buying any more books, not at all.
But the list smacks of frivolous bonus-chasing for things-we-might-maybe-need-once-sometime.
We got a pretty decent idea:
[ ] Purchase furnishings so you can stop sleeping on a bedroll and can unpack your things: -20gc.
[ ] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
[ ] Have additional rooms excavated underneath your Penthouse: -50gc for 2 rooms.

So, like... I guess we could buy 8 towers and create our own miniature Colleges of Magic.
 
She's still got the entire Karak Eight Peaks book swap economy and eternal free drinks in every dwarf hold bar Karaz-a-Karak and the shrine/gambling hall/tavern and the literal best puppy in the entire world and...yeah. Whole hell of a lot of stress relief options. The problem isn't spending money on leisure in general, it's in spending literally hundreds of gold on leisure, particularly in the case of those books she can't read.
Also a colony of adorable giant spiders to befriend and a whole underhold of skaven to troll, unorthodox I know but she seems to enjoy both.
 
Extensive Amber Magic? :???:
doubling up on Linguistics? Morr?
Amber Magic is being purchased because our job's current success is literally resting entirely upon the proper functioning of a specific Amber Magic spell. Having supporting documentation on how it works and its limitations could be relevant. Linguistics is important because we're about to be told to teach a bunch of spiders how to talk. Morr is because we just got Advanced Morr knowledge from the Liber Mortis and some excuse is better than none, should it come up.

Every purchase on the list except the romance novels has a reasonable work-related or research-related justification, though some are admittedly looser than others. The romance novels were the only thing that was pure indulgence.

Anyway, I don't really see "we're spending too much money!" concerns as particularly relevant. We know that tower rooms are 100g each and mountain rooms 25g each; not only is this a very small amount of cash, the total estimated expenses before we have more room than we can use is well under 1000g. We don't need more weapons except those paid for in Favor. Other costs- what other costs? Equipping troops is others' responsibility and desire; we're not maintaining a private army. The EIC is reinvesting virtually all its profits into various projects, making even our large windfall fade to irrelevance in comparison. We have no minions to equip. We don't have time to go searching for specific exotic ingredients in Barak Varr or elsewhere. Heck, we're not even making time for 100g/action slot classes. Books are basically all we can usefully buy right now.

And the Vow of Poverty isn't a joke. It's not just about a Grey Wizard not seeking wealth or luxury, but it's also about not maintaining wealth. Money isn't just to be spent, it must be spent. Whether Mathilde pours her cash into books or lab equipment or housing or drops it on the ground for other people to pick up, she needs to get rid of that cash. Every turn that it stays on her character sheet is a turn where she's doing the wrong thing.

So yeah, I fully support dropping ridiculous sums of cash on books that are of only marginal utility. If there were options to spend ridiculous sums on building cannon factories or investing in gyrocopter transport lines or funding the construction of a new steamship for the Blood River I'd be fully in support of those too. Until Mathilde is back under 1000g or so I feel like we are burdened by our wealth and need to get rid of it even if that's done by supporting the Karaz Ankor's fine assembly of professional smut authors.
 
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@BoneyM would creating a public library filled with the best romance novels around help boost population growth? I want tangible benefits for our investments. Does the Empire have access to the Warhammer edition of the Kama Sutra, edited to purge Slaaneshi influence?
 
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