Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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[X] [RUNE] No purchase.
Ultimately, even ignoring all the other arguments about the sword, a 25 favir sword is going to have a big ass shift in how Mathilde operates both OOC and IC. There will be expectations that Mathilde will actually use her 25 favor sword that took a year and a half for Kragg to create, and it will eat the narrative space of the other cool stuff she could do. Her job is to be the court wizard, she dabbles in spying and has a bucketload of research to do and now people will expect her to go and use the sword instead of, for example, researching the snake-juice, or studying theurgy, or bettering her dispel capabilities so that she can bully enemy spellcasters.
Look at how juggling actions this turn went. If Mathilde had laboratories to study the snake juice she wouldn't have had the actions to spy; and further turns when her assignment wouldn't be so relatively light on actions will be far more common.
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[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
Ultimately, even ignoring all the other arguments about the sword, a 25 favir sword is going to have a big ass shift in how Mathilde operates both OOC and IC. There will be expectations that Mathilde will actually use her 25 favor sword that took a year and a half for Kragg to create, and it will eat the narrative space of the other cool stuff she could do. Her job is to be the court wizard, she dabbles in spying and has a bucketload of research to do and now people will expect her to go and use the sword instead of, for example, researching the snake-juice, or studying theurgy, or bettering her dispel capabilities so that she can bully enemy spellcasters.
Look at how juggling actions this turn went. If Mathilde had laboratories to study the snake juice she wouldn't have had the actions to spy; and further turns when her assignment wouldn't be so relatively light on actions will be far more common.
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[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
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ShyPerson
Guardian of the dead’s final rest.
- Location
- Sweden
- Pronouns
- Him/He
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
I say we make Clan Mors situation worse.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
While I really like the other two, he has skills and experiences that would work best with making the human community trade focused.
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
Gromril armor is precious, and the hold needs a good diplomatic reputation, so I say return it.
I do not honestly care about a new weapon, or the long running argumentation that has so much space consumed on the thread, so I abstain on that.
I say we make Clan Mors situation worse.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
While I really like the other two, he has skills and experiences that would work best with making the human community trade focused.
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
Gromril armor is precious, and the hold needs a good diplomatic reputation, so I say return it.
I do not honestly care about a new weapon, or the long running argumentation that has so much space consumed on the thread, so I abstain on that.
- Location
- Australia
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that everything that can be bought should be bought. Rich nobles are rightly criticised for spending huge amounts of wealth on utterly pointless, supremely wasteful tat instead of something that could properly benefit the people around them, or at least themselves. These hundreds of gold worth of romance books? Some of which Mathilde can't even read? That's a prime example of that sickening level of wasteful luxury. Just because we can do it doesn't mean we should.
That money we're spending on useless tat could be used to buy books that might actually help her with her job, or at the very least go to feeding and housing thousands of the Empire's impoverished. Not one of the Empire's gods looks kindly upon this, and while our accomplishments may make it so the Grey College would let it slide, they'll definitely see it that at some level, to some degree, we've been corrupted by our wealth.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.
[X] [RUNE] A 25 favour sword to commemorate Mathilde's part the in retaking of Karak Eight-Peaks.
[X] [RUNE] Ranger's Greatsword
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.
[X] [RUNE] A 25 favour sword to commemorate Mathilde's part the in retaking of Karak Eight-Peaks.
[X] [RUNE] Ranger's Greatsword
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
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- Location
- Australia
Here's a vote that's the leading library vote with the romance books struck out. Spending hundreds of gold on romance books - particularly those books we can't even read - is wasteful in the extreme, the sort of thing that overly rich and callous nobles rightfully get flak for. That gold is much better spent on charity, or in fact anything else.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.
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Strange9
hdellaverson@gmail.com
- Location
- Los Angeles, CA
If you don't mind me asking (and of course I don't mean to pressure you), why not vote for no purchases re: the library? It's 32 to 30, if the tally is right.
Edit: Okay it should be good now the tally took a bit to update which confused me
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.
Alright that looks good.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.
Alright that looks good.
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Everyone, sing the Grounding Rod song!
- Location
- Earth
You know, people keep voting against it, but I have heard zero actual arguments against it.
I'm talking about the [Enchantment] option. Now I know this thread flies, but let me try this the fourth time, and maybe this time it sticks:
We should buy a Grounding Rod. It helps with miscasts. We can buy it for 1-3 favor from the Colledge. This is sensible. We should buy a grounding rod.
Now since this keeps getting lost and people keep voting against it without any argument made, I'm going to try and make this post a bit more noticeable. Like so:
Grounding Rod, Grounding Rod,
Grounds whatever a rod can,
Will it stop, everything?
Magic miscasts, nasty sting,
Look out!
Here comes the grounding rod.
Is he strong?
Listen mage,
He's made with magic sage,
Can he ground magic true?
Take a look around you.
Hey, there
There is a safe way.
In the chill of night
At the scene of a fight
Like a steady, dear friend,
He'll be with you till the end.
Grounding Rod, Grounding Rod,
Each would like a Grounding Rod,
Death and Shame
If ignored,
Safety is his reward.
To him, life is a great big bang up
Wherever there's a hang up
You'll find the Grounding Rod.
Everyone, sing the Grounding Rod song!
EDIT: Source.
I'm talking about the [Enchantment] option. Now I know this thread flies, but let me try this the fourth time, and maybe this time it sticks:
We should buy a Grounding Rod. It helps with miscasts. We can buy it for 1-3 favor from the Colledge. This is sensible. We should buy a grounding rod.
Now since this keeps getting lost and people keep voting against it without any argument made, I'm going to try and make this post a bit more noticeable. Like so:
Grounding Rod, Grounding Rod,
Grounds whatever a rod can,
Will it stop, everything?
Magic miscasts, nasty sting,
Look out!
Here comes the grounding rod.
Is he strong?
Listen mage,
He's made with magic sage,
Can he ground magic true?
Take a look around you.
Hey, there
There is a safe way.
In the chill of night
At the scene of a fight
Like a steady, dear friend,
He'll be with you till the end.
Grounding Rod, Grounding Rod,
Each would like a Grounding Rod,
Death and Shame
If ignored,
Safety is his reward.
To him, life is a great big bang up
Wherever there's a hang up
You'll find the Grounding Rod.
Everyone, sing the Grounding Rod song!
EDIT: Source.
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Yeah, we can always buy books next turrn. No big deal waiting six months. But we're in one of those momentum situations where it's either the winning book plan or no books; there's no room for an amendment.
You vote for "No Purchase" and we can try again next turn with a more modest list.
- Location
- Australia
Don't worry about it, and it's because I saw the value in all those other books and still wanted to get them. I'll approval vote for No Purchases if it's late and my vote doesn't get traction though.
@VillaininGlasses I accidentally left in a purchase of romance books. You may want to update your vote to my edited vote.
notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
No purchase is the only option to stop it from winning, due to voting rules.
- Location
- Australia
Why couldn't my vote stop it from winning? What part of the rules makes it an invalid vote?
- Location
- Singapore
Honestly, it's strange that large parts of this thread expressed concerns over the Grey College Bussars, and about a week or so later, there's a leading vote for buying hundreds of gold worth of frivolous luxuries in the term of romance books - and the Bussars are watching Mathilde closely, so I'd imagine there's a good chance that kind of frivolous expenditure would raise eyebrows at least. We haven't even really started to build our tower/penthouse, and no-one has gotten around as far as I've known to estimate how much that far more crucial endeavor cost. Sure, we've stumbled onto a windfall, but as it's been said, it's a one-off windfall, and we shouldn't be behaving like stereotypical lottery winners. We are literally abandoning prudence on an amusing book club meme, on books in languages Mathilde is not literate in, that takes Mathilde's characterization into a direction I am personally uncomfortable with.
[] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
This is a very close vote, with a surprisingly small number of participants.
If we exclude the romance purchases and go with Andres plan how many crowns would that be? I'm still very uncomfortable with liquidating anything above 1000 crowns on books until I get a sense of how much the penthouse cost.
@veekie : Do you have an estimate as to how much your proposed plan would cost? There is a chance that this vote would affect how much funds we really have to devote to Mathilde's penthouse.
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notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
The fact that you'd need to get 33 people to vote for it without pinging anyone.
So the leading vote is for these books:
If my count is correct, that comes to a total bonus of +44, or an overall cost of 2200 crowns.
We currently have 6287 crowns in silver ingots that can be spent freely within Karak Ankor and 2161 crowns in silver ingots that can be spent freely. So this library purchase is very roughly 25% of our total funding.
If my count is correct, that comes to a total bonus of +44, or an overall cost of 2200 crowns.
We currently have 6287 crowns in silver ingots that can be spent freely within Karak Ankor and 2161 crowns in silver ingots that can be spent freely. So this library purchase is very roughly 25% of our total funding.
There's still almost twelve hours until the voting ends. More than enough time for a reversal.
- Location
- Australia
33 isn't many given the votes this game can get, or in fact even compared to the votes already placed this turn alone. There's still twelve hours to go til voting closes too.
Either this one:
Or this one:
[] No purchase.
There is a... fair, if not overly big chunk of time left before votes are closed, so I'll try my luck with Andres'es list. If it fails to gain traction and no books are truly the only choice, I'll revote.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.
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- Location
- Nowhere, Midwestern USA
- Pronouns
- She/Her/They/Them
or both. approval voting has its benefits, after all
I mostly posted that vote to hopefully get the ball rolling I also voted for no Purchase and added the new library vote into my earlier vote because, you know approval voting.
Let me check if the tally is counting how I wanted.
- Location
- Australia
Yeah, that's right.