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I'm not very familar with the wider WF troop composition. Are Pegasus, Griffions, and other types of flying beasts not used in other military services throughout the empire?
I had thought the pool of animals/riders we could develop was starting from further established services. Are you saying we would be truly inventing a Aero Knightly Order wholesale from the Sky Down?
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They're hero-level steeds. So there exist flying knights within the empire, but it's hard to call it a 'recruitment pool' when it comprises frontline commanders, high nobility, and wizards. You need something along the lines of a Great Deed to get a griffin, not just put in your time with a local knightly order.
Monstrous cavalry within the Empire is currently more along the lines of demigryphs, who are land-bound.
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Bretonnia has Pegasus Knights, but I gather they aren't common enough in the Empire to form full military units with, like, established doctrine and such (though Wizards will occasionally buy one and use it as a flying mount if they aren't Dawongr enough to have a gyrocarriage or awesome enough to have Wolf). And Griffons are extremely not mass-producible as mounts: heroes and lords might have them as one-offs, but they are very hard to capture young enough to tame and even harder to actually tame, so there's no way anyone can assemble enough riders to form a unit of Griffonry.
That answers my question. I see. I see....
[X] Armor of von Tarnus
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[X] Armor of von Tarnus
The only reason we didn't get a set of top-tier wizard armor a long time ago is that runecrafting can't make one. This right here gets us a set of top-tier wizard armor, something we'd have a very hard time getting any other way. Moreover, as much as I enjoy magical research, I miss Mathilde getting into the thick of things in combat, and I want to do some of that again. Armor this good gives her so much more latitude to get into fights, and it's so synergistic with the rest of her kit it isn't funny. Super durable magic-OK armor, plus canonball disappearing sword, plus our belt, plus our battlemagic-OK staff, plus the seed of regrowth? We have a combination of offensive, defensive, and utility power that puts us competitive with the top tier of combatants in the setting. This completes our gish build.
Most importantly, this plays into Mathilde's themes brilliantly. She shows up wearing a suit of armor, but she casts magic. She uses Ulgu, but she gets into sword fights. She's a wizard knight and a knight wizard. And she's brilliant.
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The only reason we didn't get a set of top-tier wizard armor a long time ago is that runecrafting can't make one. This right here gets us a set of top-tier wizard armor, something we'd have a very hard time getting any other way. Moreover, as much as I enjoy magical research, I miss Mathilde getting into the thick of things in combat, and I want to do some of that again. Armor this good gives her so much more latitude to get into fights, and it's so synergistic with the rest of her kit it isn't funny. Super durable magic-OK armor, plus canonball disappearing sword, plus our belt, plus our battlemagic-OK staff, plus the seed of regrowth? We have a combination of offensive, defensive, and utility power that puts us competitive with the top tier of combatants in the setting. This completes our gish build.
Most importantly, this plays into Mathilde's themes brilliantly. She shows up wearing a suit of armor, but she casts magic. She uses Ulgu, but she gets into sword fights. She's a wizard knight and a knight wizard. And she's brilliant.
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[X] Armor of von Tarnus
I would prefer the top two, but they're a bit behind. Aside from that, I like the idea of the armor so we'll see if that can gain ground. I'll reluctantly vote for the airship if the tower gets close enough though
[X] Dispensation to study methods of destroying or beneficially transforming Dhar
[X] Armor of von Tarnus
I would prefer the top two, but they're a bit behind. Aside from that, I like the idea of the armor so we'll see if that can gain ground. I'll reluctantly vote for the airship if the tower gets close enough though
Sir_Travelsalot
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The most 'doable' mass monstrous cavalry that can fly would be Hippogriffs, since those only have a requirement of the knight that will ride them raising them from the moment they hatch and imprint on them. The reason the Empire hasn't done this is because most of their habitats are on the Bretonnian side of the Grey Mountains. And, y'know, Bretonnian knights usually want hippogriff mounts, too.
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Mopman43
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Pretty confident that Bretonnia has a lot more Pegasi than Hippogriffs.
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As far as I can remember we have approached danger based on a risk/reward basis. E.g. the okral rescue. Thus the armour will allow us to either go for bigger rewards for similar danger level or else drop the danger for similar rewards.
This means that the armour will help enable us to do more with the expected level of risk, or else be straight-up safer. Both of these are benefits the armour offers.
If we end up facing an opponent who is beyond the armour (e.g. the everchosen, Malekith etc.) I don't think the presence or lack thereof of the armour would change things, and I would rather have the armour so that we are more likely to escape.
Sir_Travelsalot
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They do, but that's got more to do with there being a lot more Pegasi than there are Hippogriffs (namely, because the most common interaction between two adult Hippogriffs that encounter each other in the wild is to try to eat the other).
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Somic
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If we end up facing an opponent who outclasses us badly, I'd prefer to do that from aboard a huge mobile base full of cannon, offensive and defensive enchantments, and backup
I confess, it doesn't quite sit right with me to hear that the giant spider silk that can, unenchanted, stop a dwarf-made axe, the stuff that the thread's been waiting for and speculating about making premier enchanted robes with for years, is finally ready for use, and to respond by turning around and requisitioning an entirely different set of armour that isn't compatible with them. Perhaps reading and hearing a lot of it after the fact is causing it to have a disproportionate effect on my mindset, and I can understand the appeal of getting ready-made gear without expending AP, but it does feel more than a little anticlimactic to cut off the potential for Mathilde's own We-silk robes after such a long wait.
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The first is my favorite for reasons including but not limited to: vibes, Eike would love it, and getting another Doom Tower feels a little redundant. But I would be very happy with either option. After all, the ability to rain down eight flavors of magical death from a massive flying object that should not be able to fly, preferably with dramatic music playing in the background, is something I feel every aspiring wizard supervillain needs.
...what do you mean "we're the good guy"?
[X] Plan Tower of Doom! and Research!
The first is my favorite for reasons including but not limited to: vibes, Eike would love it, and getting another Doom Tower feels a little redundant. But I would be very happy with either option. After all, the ability to rain down eight flavors of magical death from a massive flying object that should not be able to fly, preferably with dramatic music playing in the background, is something I feel every aspiring wizard supervillain needs.
...what do you mean "we're the good guy"?
Somic
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Not the actual silk, unfortunately. The armor slot gets one piece, and if we pick up Armor of von Tarnus, it's gonna be Armor of von Tarnus, which has the properties it has, including being able to stack with a cast of AA.
I genuinely do not get what this has to do with my original point i.e. the better we are at fighting and surviving fights the more and harder we will fights. It is a very limited argument that has to do with how we treat risk in the face of offsets.
For the sake of hopefully ending this before it gets repetitive:
- There exists an enemy, lets call him Jim the Example Enemy, who we would have fought both with the armor and without it, in that situation we are just plain safer from having it
- There exists a second enemy, lets call her Sally the Example Enemy, who we would not have fought without the armor but who we will fight with the armor. In this instance the presence of the armor translates not into more safety but more potential reward
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Though if we take the armor of Van Tarnus, we might be able to study it and the elf crown and the enchantment on the waystone foundation and up our enchanting capability to the point we could recreate some of it with gromril.
It's strange how rarely we explore Mathilde's knack for enchantment.
Mopman43
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I'm not seeing how that would lead to Hippogriff cavalry being more viable than pegasus cavalry?
SuperSonicSound
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Yes, that's true but there are much less examples of Sally the example in the setting than Jim. So even assuming you're correct we're still on average safer.
I do not think we have a source of gromril to enchant even getting into all these hypotheticals, to make our sword we had to provide one from the Skaven raid. There is also the fact that unlike the robes Mathilde doesn't even know how to work metal much less gromril