Somic
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As someone who didn't want Books to win, ehhh... we can make money. Not this much money in one go, but it's a problem that can be solved in many ways. Unique shinies are not so bad a tradeoff.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Humans are social animals.
I guess Dragomas is just that good at channeling more pack oriented side of beasts, and applying them to human politics.
The basic drives are the same in the end.
Bright has always felt best to me, and the possibility of teaching Mandred setting out a potential new path for them feels even better.
Did Dragomas decide to be the Amber representative partially because any other Amber would have felt duty bound to make a case for the order, while he could just say that Mandred the ruler would be a terrible fit as an Amber?
I really like the description of Haruspex Stern Glanzned. He seems unusually blunt for his order, and somebody of his persuasion would definitely not like how Hubert's education turned out.
Prior Albwin Marsner sounds interesting too. A seemingly Taalite Amethyst wizard who has experience fighting alongside Bretonnians? I definitely understood Morr to be much more common as the preferred deity of the order.
Did Dragomas decide to be the Amber representative partially because any other Amber would have felt duty bound to make a case for the order, while he could just say that Mandred the ruler would be a terrible fit as an Amber?
I really like the description of Haruspex Stern Glanzned. He seems unusually blunt for his order, and somebody of his persuasion would definitely not like how Hubert's education turned out.
Prior Albwin Marsner sounds interesting too. A seemingly Taalite Amethyst wizard who has experience fighting alongside Bretonnians? I definitely understood Morr to be much more common as the preferred deity of the order.
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Historically, we have avoided money at almost every opportunity since we first made our big fortune.
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Maybe it has something to do with Heidi being the second wife.
It's indeed odd.
I'm really leaning towards Grey Order now. We know nontraditional Greys can prosper because Mathilde is one and Mandred making the distinction between
Shows that he's not bad for Uglu.
The Brights are really good on paper but what worries me is that Thyrus hasn't made a case for Mandred's talent for Aqshy. Like sure Brights can train in martial matters broadly needed for an EC - but what about what Mandred specifically needs?
The Gold and Jade orders have made arguments for Mandred's talent with their respective winds which is a really big plus in my book. All the Winds are useful on the battlefield - what matters is how adept a wizard is at using their wind.
Shows that he's not bad for Uglu.
The Brights are really good on paper but what worries me is that Thyrus hasn't made a case for Mandred's talent for Aqshy. Like sure Brights can train in martial matters broadly needed for an EC - but what about what Mandred specifically needs?
The Gold and Jade orders have made arguments for Mandred's talent with their respective winds which is a really big plus in my book. All the Winds are useful on the battlefield - what matters is how adept a wizard is at using their wind.
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Heidi is masquerading as the last of the Haupt-Andersons.
On a different note did Gehenna make a reference to Gelt?
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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My point is that the Armour of Tarnus isn't actually all that good as armour. Like, tabletop-wise, it's light armour, that also gives a 5+ ward (Boney has said ward saves don't necessarily directly transfer to the quest, but "magically defends you beyond the actual armour" is a thing) and allows Wizards to cast. As an EC, I doubt something equivalent to a 5+ ward can't be gotten hold of (he'll have an effectively infinite well of College Favour, the same way Belegar does). If he were to be a Gold Wizard, he could probably wear plate.
Aethyric Armour doesn't stack with regular armour. So it'd be a choice between that and the Armour of Tarnus.
I mean possibly. That said, I think the SP would have had to have been present no matter what, because this is too big a deal for him not to be.
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Yes I know, but generally a ruler's heir takes the last name of the parent they are inheriting.
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Yeah for all that the idea of him becoming a Lord Magister tier wizard in any given wind is hyped up, people here don't seem to consider that it's by no means guarenteed that he'd be able to make it to that point in every single wind.
When statistically speaking he's probably more likely to top out at a magic stat of 5 or something if you include him having a staff.
Mandred has a actual noteable affinity for Ulgu, to the point he has subconciously keeping up a Ulgu enchantment for years, the odds of him one day becoming a Lord Magister Tier wizard able to sling around battle magic will be considerably higher if he goes with Ulgu.
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To be precise, he has an affinity for Ulgu noticed when spending years around and subconciously focusing on an Ulgu enchantment. That's not really that much of a proof for his affinity. If he was drawing the shadows around him when trying to get out of something, or could always tell when someone was lying, that might be something, but as is his affinity for Ulgu was effectively just reinforcing a petty spell. He may well be able to do it with any of the other winds.
Somic
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He was just influencing it. People with magical talent and without Arcane Marks can touch pretty much any Wind, the only thing this proves is that he's not completely incapable of wielding Ulgu.
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Also, one of the frontrunners, Aqshy, Boney's specifically noted to be a Wind their college is fine with not having an exceptional affinity for. If Mandred had a solid but not remarkable talent for it (Which honestly given his Learning vs Martial might be the case) they'd be ecstatic. So he doesn't even need talent.
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The Jade argument is rather hollow. Nothing of Jade magic he's actually going to learn is going to make the province as a whole any more fertile. He can't supercharge the waystone network, he can't simply throw more resources at the problem, and he's probably never going to be an insanely powerful wizard given how he'll have to split his focus.
The role the Jades and the food supply play and the importance therein is so obvious that failing to recognize it should be a sign of criminal incompetence- it doesn't need the Jades spending years hyping it up and using it to elevate their prominence for a ruler to realize that. The only thing the Jades can actually promise is maybe increased productivity from state subsidies for their work and decent PR for a wizard. They made a bunch of promises but there's not really substance to them. And then we have the shitshow of Jade traditionalism. None of that can possibly be good for Mandred as a child.
As for the Golds… I distinctly remember Hubert wasn't the only problematic elemental wind wizard in our merry band. Johann definitely had his share of problems with his College because of the exact same things Gehenna sees in Mandred. Even if it can be moderated and kept under control, we'd just be hoping for special treatment Mandred gets to paper over the inherent problems.
All we need to do is turn a boy into a functional adult who's both well disposed towards the colleges and a highly visible example of what kind of people actually make up the colleges for outsiders. We just need to focus on what works best for him- not 'for a capable ruler', not 'for the good of the nation'- most of that should follow if he's even mildly competent as a symbol and advocate.
The role the Jades and the food supply play and the importance therein is so obvious that failing to recognize it should be a sign of criminal incompetence- it doesn't need the Jades spending years hyping it up and using it to elevate their prominence for a ruler to realize that. The only thing the Jades can actually promise is maybe increased productivity from state subsidies for their work and decent PR for a wizard. They made a bunch of promises but there's not really substance to them. And then we have the shitshow of Jade traditionalism. None of that can possibly be good for Mandred as a child.
As for the Golds… I distinctly remember Hubert wasn't the only problematic elemental wind wizard in our merry band. Johann definitely had his share of problems with his College because of the exact same things Gehenna sees in Mandred. Even if it can be moderated and kept under control, we'd just be hoping for special treatment Mandred gets to paper over the inherent problems.
All we need to do is turn a boy into a functional adult who's both well disposed towards the colleges and a highly visible example of what kind of people actually make up the colleges for outsiders. We just need to focus on what works best for him- not 'for a capable ruler', not 'for the good of the nation'- most of that should follow if he's even mildly competent as a symbol and advocate.
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Then he'd have an affinity for Light magic: that's the Wind that gives answers.
That the College is focused around producing lots of 'average' wizards isn't a plus when we want one very good wizard.
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I think that's less about making average wizards and more about making wizards that won't angrily set everything around them on fire at the drop of a hat. It's a focus on self-control, in short.
Which sounds like an additional plus to me, since a lot of people were worried about Mandred becoming too temperamental in personality from going Bright.
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You're thinking of the Lights. The Brights produce plenty of capable wizards, they just put personal skill and the ability to control their raw firepower over the actual amount of firepower they can dish out. As Boney stated, 'a high affinity in their wind is very different from what they think makes a good bright wizard'. That means if he doesn't have a great affinity, they will absolutely still be likely to think highly of him if he can kick ass and corral assholes, and likely be happy to give him Magister or Lord Magister rank for that. There's no hard power level you have to achieve to be in the high ranks.
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Do we want one very good wizard? I would argue that what we want is one very good elector count who is at least a serviceable wizard.
Somic
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We don't need one very good wizard. We need one very functional wizard who is a good and prominently visible ruler. The deeper one goes into wizardry, the more they diverge from the human baseline and turn into a living representation of a volatile power.
Priority one is averting disaster, priority two is looking awesome, priority three maybe is looking awesome in terms of pure magical capability.
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This seems like it could use Boney's input, how big of a affinity for Ulgu does Mandred keeping up that subconscious Ulgu enchantment indicate he has?
Mathilde would in-universe presumably know, and it's fairly important for the current vote.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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I mean, I'm not sure it would be special treatment. while Johann certainly had problems with the Golds, he also made Magister without anyone pulling the strings, so they've demonstrated they can absolutely teach someone with an unconventional relation to their Wind. Hell, they might just stick with what works and make Gehenna his master, based on the fact it worked before.
Also, Aqshy is perhaps the only Wind that can feed on itself. Setting something on fire draws in more Aqshy and so on, meaning there's less need to be personally powerful.
He has a nice sword, and that's it. Any EC can likely obtain some nice gear, but there's not, AFAIK, a notable suit or armour or non-runefang weapon belonging to the Reikland EC.
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