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I think something people are overlooking is that Mandred's suitability to his college will determine his opinion of wizards as a whole.

If he goes to a place he's not suited for, then like Johann and Hubert, he very likely will resent them. His stats make a fairly strong argument against both gold and grey. His learning & intrigue are low, and he would be an atypical student of either college. We should not only consider what he will learn quickly, but also how he considers his future home. While I adore Johann, his less scholarly path has alienated him from the gold college the same way Hubert has been alienated from the Celestial. We only fit into the Grey because of our high intrigue, and Mandred's character doesn't seem especially suited to the kind of doublethink required for Grey.

Additionally, there's a reason the Greys are expected to take a vow of poverty - their abilities are highly abusable and well suited to manipulation and harmful mental effects. That's a dangerous set of temptations for a ruler to have, and a high likelihood it backfires in the courts of public opinion, and causes blowback onto the Colleges.

Likewise, the Jades are a bad fit for two reasons. First, the 13th Everchosen is on the horizon. No matter how the EverchosenBowl turns out, it's going to be a doozy. Having a nurturer is not what the empire needs. Second, making Reikland a breadbasket is a inherently political move, and that could cause strife with other provinces in a way that demonstrably does not lean into his strengths.

Investigating and teaching the Indic paradigm of Aqshy would be the sort of thing you could get them to agree to for Mathilde's support. Mathilde knows of a library that could get them started.
[ ] Bright, for (focusing and expanding upon the leadership side of Aqshy)
He seems inherently suited for the bright order, and will likely both take to it well and lean into his strengths to develop a very capable military leader. We can't make a perfectly rounded character here, we need to guide a youngster onto a path that suits their personality and enables leadership. None of Golds, Jades or Greys are well-known as leaders, while Brights are, especially if we ask them to focus on teaching him Indic-style Aqshy.
 
Indic-style Aqshy will let Mandred make the most of his high Diplomacy and Martial as a Bright Wizard. It's perfect for a martial leader.
 
While I adore Johann, his less scholarly path has alienated him from the gold college the same way Hubert has been alienated from the Celestial.
To be fair, iirc Johann was outright incapable of some aspects of Gold magic. And he turned his fate around by gilding, and then making a name for himself on the battlefield. The Celestial College is way snobbier about preferring the mystical to the elemental, I believe.

Mandred would have much better access to resources to pursue whatever Chamon-related thing he likes, significantly better standing from the start, and the influence of the Wind of logic and patience on his mind may be beneficial to him in that other thing he has going on, which Johann didn't.

Mind you, I still prefer Bright, I just think that Gold is a pretty good choice as well.
 
God damnit, the dice really did say "get Karl Franz'd", didn't they?

Karl Franz and Thyrus Gormann are BFF's in canon.
I would probably say his Stewardship is a bit low for Karl "effectively the Empire's perfect ruler" Franz, but yeah. There's even some versions of canon where Franz wasn't a pious guy, and almost lost the election for Emperor because of it.
 
I think something people are overlooking is that Mandred's suitability to his college will determine his opinion of wizards as a whole.

If he goes to a place he's not suited for, then like Johann and Hubert, he very likely will resent them. His stats make a fairly strong argument against both gold and grey. His learning & intrigue are low, and he would be an atypical student of either college. We should not only consider what he will learn quickly, but also how he considers his future home. While I adore Johann, his less scholarly path has alienated him from the gold college the same way Hubert has been alienated from the Celestial. We only fit into the Grey because of our high intrigue, and Mandred's character doesn't seem especially suited to the kind of doublethink required for Grey.

Additionally, there's a reason the Greys are expected to take a vow of poverty - their abilities are highly abusable and well suited to manipulation and harmful mental effects. That's a dangerous set of temptations for a ruler to have, and a high likelihood it backfires in the courts of public opinion, and causes blowback onto the Colleges.

Likewise, the Jades are a bad fit for two reasons. First, the 13th Everchosen is on the horizon. No matter how the EverchosenBowl turns out, it's going to be a doozy. Having a nurturer is not what the empire needs. Second, making Reikland a breadbasket is a inherently political move, and that could cause strife with other provinces in a way that demonstrably does not lean into his strengths.



He seems inherently suited for the bright order, and will likely both take to it well and lean into his strengths to develop a very capable military leader. We can't make a perfectly rounded character here, we need to guide a youngster onto a path that suits their personality and enables leadership. None of Golds, Jades or Greys are well-known as leaders, while Brights are, especially if we ask them to focus on teaching him Indic-style Aqshy.
Being atypical for a College isn't in of itself a bad thing, if he's bad at raw intrigue then what happens is that Mandred's taught trait-wise the art of stealth to make up for it, how to be sneaky and ambush enemies. Heck he even has an atypical martial model for a Grey Wizard in his Godmother, if no other Grey Wizard has any martial aptitude, which I doubt on some level.

While on the mindset front, he's explicitly been stirring the Grey Wind enchantment for years now, if that isn't showing a capacity for that mindset on a subconscious level I'm not sure what else would be. Not to forget that he's 10 years old, that's a lot of time available to help build up that doublethink, and round out that intrigue, even if he isn't the most amazing at it.
 
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Aqshy with the deal would also make for a very neat chain, tying all sorts of things together.

Because the Orkal were saved a favor was owed
Because a favor was owed the Guns of Nuln were restored
Because the Guns of Nuln were restored the Elementalists paid
Because the Elementalists paid Kron-Azril-Ungol was endowed
Because KAU was endowed a prince in fire magic was trained


You don't see this kind of interconnections of seemingly small things in quests since there is no way to plan for them, but they did come together in this case
 
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"Everyone knows us," she says. "Those that don't like us respect us, and rulers definitely respect the taxes and materiel we help their cities generate. When it comes to faith, steel, and gunpowder, we're experts in two of the three. I doubt any of you can do better. As for the kid, I've only ever encountered one more suited for the manipulation of elemental Chamon than he is. An Elector Count that can harden his own armour and empower his own blade is one that will go down in history."
Claiming your Elgi magic can improve a Runefang ? That's a grudging.
 
A point against Gehenna's Argument, is that the Armor of Tarnus exists, is probably under the stewardship of the Bright Order, and will in short order find its way to Mandred's hands regardless of the College he chooses.
If he goes with the Golds, he could probably get or make a better set (for him). The main thing that sets the Armour of Tarnus apart is the ability for Wizards to cast wearing it, which is irrelevant for a Gold Wizard in-quest anyway.
 
If he goes with the Golds, he could probably get or make a better set (for him). The main thing that sets the Armour of Tarnus apart is the ability for Wizards to cast wearing it, which is irrelevant for a Gold Wizard in-quest anyway.
My point was that the Gold's argument of "he will have good armor" is not that big of an advantage because the Armour of Tarnus will probably make its way to him, as a V.I.W, and he can always use Aethric armour when he's in actual combat.
 
Mathilde has tons of cool Ranaldian stories and a good chunk of them are her own.
It doesn't cast Ranald in the best light, since it raises the question "why did he have to make amends?" but him throwing down with Khorne, fighting alongside the Clever Wizard is one of the most badass things

Mandred would love that story.
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Anyway, I'm leaning either gold or bright + suggesting people look at Mathilde's Indic books.
 
I like the idea of a Celestial wizard general, so I was leaning that College for Mandred, but that's not an option.

So I'm going to go for Bright, I think, with the Indic flavor request.
Gold would be good too, but I don't see him as a Jade wizard, honestly.
 
Surprisingly I'm actually leaning Grey now.

Bright with Indic elements, sure thats neat, but trying to reverse engineer the Indic stuff while also teaching Mandred sounds like a mess, If they already had it down I'd be in, but not before.
 
Surprisingly I'm actually leaning Grey now.

Bright with Indic elements, sure thats neat, but trying to reverse engineer the Indic stuff while also teaching Mandred sounds like a mess, If they already had it down I'd be in, but not before.

No more of a mess than trying to teach any human wizard with elven methods and the first generation of human wizards were among the greatest the Colleges have produced. Freidrich Von Taurus was taught in the magical tradition of another species and look how he turned out. By contrast somewhat altering the Fire Magic teaching of your own tradition in an unusual direction is a far smaller ask, especially since it is just a change of focus. Those spells of pasion exist in the present Imperial Bright repertoire, they are just not centered in the education of youg Bright Wizards.
 
Hm, I don't really feel keen on the idea of throwing Mandred into the chaos of infighting within the Light/Jade Colleges. I'm sure there's an argument to be made on how Mandred joining them could settle things in a favorable manner, but I'd prefer if he doesn't have to deal with such a mess of political/theological baggage if we can avoid it.

Definitely leaning towards Brights or Golds since Mandred seems to have an affinity for them, personality and talent-wise.

@Boney
Has the Light College's internal squabbling ended or is it still ongoing? Also just curious, did Heidi mention how Luitpold (as a parent) feels about their son being a Wizard? Lastly, is trading support for an eventual backing of the Dwarven Nexus hellwars considered viable?
 
Okay I looked away from the thread so I'm honestly shocked that Books won. I don't think I've disliked a vote this much in a while. Another entry in the long tradition of me being wildly at odds with the thread's approach to finances.
 
She then tells of Ranald and Ulric growing distant as Ranald tricks Ulric into doing what needed to be done with a series of bets and illusions. First, of Ulric being given a tankard that had concealed within it a portal to the Sea of Claws, and being bet that he could not drink it in one go, which lowered the water so that Mother Rhya's children could walk to the Old World. Second, of being bet that he could not lift a cat, which Ulric could not see was really the eldest and largest of the Dragon Ogres, which allowed Ranald to hide a terrible Daemon-Sword beneath the sleeping giant so that none could wield it. And third, of being bet he could not win a wrestling match against an old woman, who Ulric could not see was actually Dread Morr, his father's most trusted advisor, which forced King Death to release a fraction of his hold on mortal life, allowing Shallya to steal away some of His inevitability and allowing for the possibility of death to be forestalled by medicines and blessings.
Hello there Utgard-Loki.

Now that you know what works for this particular audience, you step and begin telling your own tales, such as those of the Ranaldian Saints of the Grey Order, and then a tale of your own: that of the Clever Wizard who stole power from Gork and Mork so that it could be used to steal a Princess from the clutches of the Vampires. It doesn't take much embellishment to make it work, and his eyes go wide as he realizes that the 'Princess' is his very own mother.
History became legend and legend got mythologised… with a bit of nudging.

The potential rewards, and the potential for disaster, are too great to leave the matter to whoever gets there first.
…did Mathilde actually get around to informing the Collages herself? Seems likely but I wouldn't put it past Heidi to have run some scheme with the occasion instead.

It occurs that the old drake is as atypical of his Order as Mathilde is of hers. He has forged diplomatic treaties and proven at worst a competent statesman and organiser, arguably a very skilled one. Not what you would expect from someone mainlining the Untamed Wilds.

Master Abjurer Betlinde Arzt
Lady Magister Gehenna
Professor Dieter Vogt
Haruspex Stern Glanzend
Prior Albwin Marsner
Lord Magister Thyrus Gormann
The world is vast and filled to bursting with protagonists, each living their own fascinating adventure. We will never see more than a tiny fraction, and get only glimpses even then, but what a glory those fragments are.

Drachenfels is stirring, the Lichemaster has recovered his mind and is rebuilding his strength, riders have been spotted visiting Blood Keep, and there has been more visible activity from the rats of the Vaults in recent years than we usually see in centuries.
Boney… must you dangle yet more new plot hooks before us?
 
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