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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Boney said:
Investigating and teaching the Indic paradigm of Aqshy would be the sort of thing you could get them to agree to for Mathilde's support. Mathilde knows of a library that could get them started.
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Aaaaand just like that I got swung over to Bright. This underdeveloped side of Aqshy is neat, guys!

And it'll suit the future general he seems to be becoming.
 
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Prime 2.0 said:
The trouble is that Mandred's ascent to the throne is not actually assured. A more photogenic college would help him achieve it, while one that nobles fear like the greys could count against him.

Also we already have Eike going through the grey college - to the extent Mandred is tied to Ulgu, it's because Mathilde was involved and that's going to be true every time she's dealing with an initiate. I'd like to try something different.
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Offhand I think by the time Eike leaves us, Mandred will probably be ready to take on as an apprentice, and even if Mandred doesn't become Emperor, it would still be potent to have an elector count on the Colleges' side. Though I feel like there's an undertone in the update that's suggestive that the Colleges will seek to guarantee that.

That and I do semi-like the notion of Eike being Mandred's not necessarily sister-figure but certainly a valuable connection to have and make in-roads with from an early age, considering Eike's going to inherit the EIC barring something going wrong. If nothing else I feel the EIC if placed as a supporting structure under a Grey Mandred can alter the Grey order's less then pleasant reputation, which I feel like is being a bit underestimated as an opportunity.

Not to mention if nobles are already predisposed to dislike a Wizard Elector Count if not Emperor, I don't think a Grey Elector Count is really that much worse, if a noble's already assumed in having a negative starting point with Mandred regardless. Else I can see other nobles wanting to become friends with, or otherwise butter up, a Grey Mandred in the hopes that the Grey order would look kindly upon them. Edit: Meaning said reputation can be turned over and utilized as a benefit.
 
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Woo boy.

Personally, when I think 'Ranaldian wizard-king' I'd think of the celestials, swanning about the ballroom and unleashing bright hell on the enemies of man, or grey for the usual skullduggery.

But the kid being a straightforward - if clever - warrior type... gold or bright, maybe, but I don't. really. like those guys much.
 
The Void said:
Not to mention if nobles are already predisposed to dislike a Wizard Elector Count if not Emperor, I don't think a Grey Elector Count is really that much worse, if a noble's already assumed in having a negative starting point with Mandred regardless. Else I can see other nobles wanting to become friends with, or otherwise butter up, a Grey Mandred in the hopes that the Grey order would look kindly upon them. Edit: Meaning said reputation can be turned over and utilized as a benefit.
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The choice to brown nose is easier to make and execute on if Mandred isn't one of their boogeymen though, is my point. It's also less workable from a rational perspective because, by dint of being said boogeyman, it'll be easier to organize an opposition vote. Him winning the election, if it happens, is already going to be by the thinnest of margins. Whatever the grey order's other advantages here, political advantage towards attaining power isn't among them.
 
I'm very strongly in Camp Grey now. He has an affinity for the wind, the College will round out his education, and the whole "sword of justice" makes a lot of sense to me. I think a lot of people have over exaggerated the negative effects of Ulgu—lots of people have a forgettable face, or struggle to remember faces, and they all get through life fine, and Greys are Guardians, with a strong emphasis on loyalty and duty to the Empire. If I was emperor, I would be very relieved to know one of my electors was a Grey Wizard, because I could trust them to not do anything stupid.

Boney said:
A ruler that can be both the knife in the dark and the sword at dawn could be just what the Empire will need in the years to come
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As for my backup choice, I'm not convinced of the Jade's or Bright's arguments. Mandred can delegate infrastructure, and he doesn't need the Bright's help to be a warrior. Gehenna's comparison to Johann is interesting, though, and an elector who can reinforce his own armour would be very strong. Throwing down something like the Enchanted Blades of Aiban on his bodyguards could make the difference in battle.

It's a shame the celestials are out of the running already, I think the guy put forth a good argument for his college.
 
I'm leaning Gold right now. Mostly because Gehenna thinks he has almost as much potential with the elemental side as Johann. I want to send him to the college where he'll be most likely to do well, and she seems to think he resonates with Chamon quite well.
 
AsuraAtlas said:
I'm probably gong to be busy/sleeping for most of the discussion period, but I'm going to list why I think he should go to the Jades while I have the chance.

1. The arguments stated in the update - Reiklands shunt, magical infrastructure and prospective breadbasket status offer extremely unique opportunities as a ruler he frankly wouldn't have anywhere else. Uniquely and straightforwardly virtuous, as well.

2. He would swing the Jades away from the hardcore druidic traditionalists - hard to argue men shouldn't be doing green magic with the face of wizardkind in your lecture halls, and every wizard in the Empire looking real hard at your lecture halls.

3. Popularity with the common people - the Jades, being the wizards who do food and medical miracles, are some of the most widely accepted wizards in existence, especially in the northern provinces where they work extremely closely with the cults of Taal and Rhya. A good magical and diplomatic reputation is essential for someone who will be the face of, essentially, a human rights movement.

4. This is debatable, but personally - in terms of mindset we're encouraging - I would much prefer compassion and growth to be foremost in a rulers mind, rather than intense passion or overwhelming logic.

5. Popularity with the troops - being known as the leader who directly saves his men's lives, on their deathbeds and off, would be invaluable.

6. As @Critian Caceorte points out, and I can't believe I missed this - the Jade wind would also improve his chances of, well, living. Spending time on the battlefield or otherwise, anyone would be much, much safer when they can regenerate from otherwise fatal blows.


The Brights, who have a reputation as magical artillery and only one or two spells involving leadership, would be an autopick if they were more Indic, but they're just not. They're my second choice, but only because it offers few concrete disadvantages. He would be the perfectly spherical in a vacuum Wizard Count Fighty McFightman.

The Golds are a no go for one reason imo- Feldmenn being a politician is seen as both notable and indicative of not going far into his wind. Mandred has to be a politician. If we sent Mandred to the Golds, we would be accepting both him not being taught the normal way, and him never going very far with his wind.
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I was very in favor of the Golds initialy, but you persuaded me. I think now the Jades are the best option and the Brights the second best.

K von Carstein said:
For me it's Jade, without discussion. I would find it boring if yet another child we know went into Jade, and I think learning to be a nurturer is a good thing. And it would break the power of the traditionalists.
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We should take notice of the Arcane Marks, one of the Marks of the Jade Order make metal revolting to a person.

That might be a problem for Mandred who wants to be a warrior.

On the other hand, a nurturer and healer warrior-prince seems like a very good idea.

We might want to ask the Jades to give him a magic seed like the one Mathilde has. The one who heals and can even resurrect somebody.

That would be great for his protection and not very hard to persuade the Jades to do it.
 
Boney said:
It would be difficult to find an organism on this world more useless than the juvenile human. A goat or a sheep will be grazing with a few months of birth, and wolves will be hunting them within six. But after a decade of fruitless maintenance, something awakens behind their eyes and they start to meaningfully take in information about the world around them. They transition from merely imitating without understanding and begin to actually learn how and why certain actions reliably lead to a desired result. They become an actual person.
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Mathilde really doesn't like kids until they've grown up a bit.

Boney said:
You consider that. "So if we keep the wrong people from getting too much influence over him, it would be safe to draw him deeper in?"

"That's my assessment. And besides, he'll be going into one of the Colleges, and the secular ones won't pry into his religious business, and the ones that aren't actually secular won't dare to push it on the son of the Emperor. If anything this might make it easier to teach him what he needs to be taught, since it will hopefully dissuade the Grand Theogonist from trying to surround him with his 'moral instructors'. And if they do get a sniff of anything, it would make it very easy to twist their accusations to seem like they're coming from anti-Wizard animus."
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That's actually a pretty good shield for Mandred.

Boney said:
Mandred takes very well to a take on Ranald who wields cleverness as a weapon, instead of hiding behind it as a shield. Between tales she mentions to you that these are the legends of Ranald told by his worshippers in the villages and hamlets of the northern provinces, rather than the towns and cities of the southern provinces. Now that you know what works for this particular audience, you step and begin telling your own tales, such as those of the Ranaldian Saints of the Grey Order, and then a tale of your own: that of the Clever Wizard who stole power from Gork and Mork so that it could be used to steal a Princess from the clutches of the Vampires. It doesn't take much embellishment to make it work, and his eyes go wide as he realizes that the 'Princess' is his very own mother. While the previous tales definitely kept him entertained, this one seems to worm its way deep into his mind, and he's quiet for the rest of the day as he digests the idea that there might not be a clear delineation between history and mythology, or as he puts it, 'what actually happened' and 'just stories'.
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Mathilde has tons of cool Ranaldian stories and a good chunk of them are her own.

Boney said:
You ruffle the boy's hair, and try not to think about how different it is to when your own little horse burned. And if no miracle occurs to mark the occasion, that doesn't change the fact that you know for absolute certain that Ranald's attention is going to shape the future of this child.
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Every time that Mathilde's past is brought up I get reminded of how shitty it was before she came to the Colleges.

Boney said:
"The Emperor's son and heir, Mandred Haupt-Anderssen, is to be a Wizard. The Emperor wants to make sure he goes into the right College. Right for the boy, not just for you or for me. This is going to shape who he is and how he sees the world." He runs his eyes over the seven others present, his expression fierce. "This could be the biggest opportunity for us since Magnus, or the biggest disaster since the Night of a Thousand Arcane Duels. You've all met with the boy over the past week and gotten his measure. Make your cases with him in mind, or you'll win the battle for your College and lose the war for us all." He nods to his left, making it clear that arguments will be made by the order of the Wheel of Magic, which is probably the only way to do it that wouldn't immediately start a magic.
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It's a very delicate issue that can go very right or very wrong.

Boney said:
- Mandred's base stats were rolled offsite, which was noticed and reacted to from this post.
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Yeah we're going to have to help with training but it's not the end of the world.
 
Hum. Considering we can out a thumb on the scale of how he'd be taught, bright seems like the best option for me. Karl Franz riding atop a flaming skull as he crashes into hos enemies.

Since we can probaly get in Gray teaching lessons as a promise. To counteract the worst of his skills. It'a generally better to play to your skills, which is being Karl Franz then not after all
 
Boney said:
It would be difficult to find an organism on this world more useless than the juvenile human. A goat or a sheep will be grazing with a few months of birth, and wolves will be hunting them within six. But after a decade of fruitless maintenance, something awakens behind their eyes and they start to meaningfully take in information about the world around them. They transition from merely imitating without understanding and begin to actually learn how and why certain actions reliably lead to a desired result. They become an actual person.

Mandred... seems not to have reached that point yet.
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Mathilde's attitudes towards children will never stop being hilarious.
Boney said:
Over several leisurely days Heidi tells tales of a Ranald different from any you've ever heard, but that rings no less true than any of them; of the blood brother of Ulric and consort of Shallya, and His adventures in a simpler time when all the Gods lived in the hall of Father Taal and Mother Rhya, the latter of whom Ulric was brother to. She tells of Ranald guarding the Dwarf that forged Ghal Maraz against an attack from the minions of the Plague God, and then of Ranald helping Ulric steal it back from the Sky-Giant that had ended up with it after Sigmar went east. She tells of Ranald helping Ulric steal the Fauschlag, the lonely mountain that would become Middenheim, from Taal so that Ulric might have His own people, and then of helping Him guard against the 'Child of Destruction' known as Lupos, who sought to steal wolves from Him. She tells of Ranald stealing Morr's sword to give to Verena so that She might wield it against the Coming of Chaos, and to have taught Her how to apologize when returning it so charmingly that Myrmidia was the eventual result.

She then tells of Ranald and Ulric growing distant as Ranald tricks Ulric into doing what needed to be done with a series of bets and illusions. First, of Ulric being given a tankard that had concealed within it a portal to the Sea of Claws, and being bet that he could not drink it in one go, which lowered the water so that Mother Rhya's children could walk to the Old World. Second, of being bet that he could not lift a cat, which Ulric could not see was really the eldest and largest of the Dragon Ogres, which allowed Ranald to hide a terrible Daemon-Sword beneath the sleeping giant so that none could wield it. And third, of being bet he could not win a wrestling match against an old woman, who Ulric could not see was actually Dread Morr, his father's most trusted advisor, which forced King Death to release a fraction of his hold on mortal life, allowing Shallya to steal away some of His inevitability and allowing for the possibility of death to be forestalled by medicines and blessings.
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I'm not sure how much to read into those myths. The stories are obvious allusions to norse mythology - which probably served as part of the inspiration for Ranald, and in particular as the inspiration for Ranald and Ulric's relationship depicted in Lord Ulric and the Making of the World - but beyond that I don't know know how much we should read into them. I don't think there's a ton of DEEP LORE here, but the myths did ring true to Mathilde. Maybe it's a matter of vibes rather than details? Maybe the specific events didn't occur, but the contours of the God's relationships with Ranald that are shown in the myths are more or less correct, and that's what Mathilde picks up on?

Still, I wonder how much of what's said here actually is hinting at some deep lore. Is the stuff about Ulric drinking the Sea of Claws reflective of actual historical events, with changing sea levels allowing humans to migrate to the Old World from Norsca? Is the story about Morr and Verena a hint that Myrmidia is actually a biologial child of the two? Is the "convincing Ulric Morr is a woman" an allusion to Morai-Heg being female and Morr being male, and does it actually mean anything beyond that? Is the Daemon-Sword story related to the Daemonblade, and is this story saying that Ranald stole from under Krakanrok the Black to deny it from the Everchosen???

By the way @Boney, I think this is backwards? Ulric is said to be Taal's brother, not Rhya's, right?
Boney said:
Father Taal and Mother Rhya, the latter of whom Ulric was brother to
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Boney said:
"'Thy generosity bringeth tuppence and a sword in return'," he says, face scrunched up in concentration and confusion. "What does it mean?"

You exchange looks with Heidi. Maybe you're just a suspicious person in general, but it seems to be implying that Mandred will do right by someone, who will repay him inadequately and then outright betray him. But you're not going to tell a child that. "Doomings can be tricky. I fulfilled mine thirty years ago."
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Pretty chill Dooming, relatively speaking. Sure it sucks to be betrayed, but at least Mandred will be kind enough to do right by someone!
Boney said:
Alternately, you could play kingmaker between the Brights, Jades, and Golds, either solely on the merits of their argument or while extracting some sort of promise or favour from them. Generally it would be entirely reasonable to use this to extract a promise regarding Mandred's education.
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I don't have strong opinions on which College Mandred should go to, but I think if we don't go for Grey (and we probably shouldn't, I think) we should extract some promises regarding the Grey College's part in his education. The kid needs someone to round out the Intrigue part of his education, after all.
 
mathymancer said:
I don't have strong opinions on which College Mandred should go to, but I think if we don't go for Grey (and we probably shouldn't, I think) we should extract some promises regarding the Grey College's part in his education. The kid needs someone to round out the Intrigue part of his education, after all.
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He'll get the best available tutors in each subject regardless - if those happen to be from the grey college, then the tutors will be from the grey college. We don't need to extract a promise about that.

The ind paradigm on the other hand boney gave the all clear to extracting a promise on, and I'm quite excited about using it there.
 
Boney said:
He might had thrived
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you step and begin telling
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step in

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You're glad to see he doesn't look too distressed as he stumbled back out.
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Wrong tense, should be stumbles

Boney said:
"The child does not yet understand death - thankfully few children do - but he has the strength of will to be taught of it without losing himself in it, and the edge to do with that understanding what must be done.
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Since Dragomas is representing the will of the Emperor, I wonder if Mathilde is being seen as the will of the Empress. With that thought, does Heidi have a preference? I'm assuming Grey, cause Mathilde, but anything else?
 
Prime 2.0 said:
The choice to brown nose is easier to make and execute on if Mandred isn't one of their boogeymen though, is my point. It's also less workable from a rational perspective because, by dint of being said boogeyman, it'll be easier to organize an opposition vote. Him winning the election, if it happens, is already going to be by the thinnest of margins. Whatever the grey order's other advantages here, political advantage towards attaining power isn't among them.
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I imagine if the Colleges really had to, they'd be willing to call upon all sorts of favors out of the woodworks, if blackmail isn't involved I'd be shocked. Also Mandred's hats wouldn't be limited to only being a boogeymen of the Grey Order, he'd have been the previous Emperor's Son, the to-be Elector Count of Altdorf, and a member of Nobility twice-over. And the Greys do have political advantages, wouldn't a prominent Dwarf chastise a human noble making needless fuss over Mathilde's guild?

There's plenty of reasons why Nobles would want to make ties with Mandred, even if they secretly or not so secretly despise him, and if those that hate Mandred happen to falter, to have their luck turn against them, while their more agreeable counterparts are befitted I don't think that's a loss. If nothing else, presuming that Mandred's kid isn't a wizard it is quite possible that the title of Emperor, if not already on Mandred's head, could fall back to his child.
 
Mystic Pentagram said:
I was very in favor of the Golds initialy, but you persuaded me. I think now the Jades are the best option and the Brights the second best.



We should take notice of the Arcane Marks, one of the Marks of the Jade Order make metal revolting to a person.

That might be a problem for Mandred who wants to be a warrior.

On the other hand, a nurturer and healer warrior-prince seems like a very good idea.
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Metal is actually a good point. It's generally an issue for mages and only Golds actually get to go for regular armour.

Mandred will have the riches to buy the finest non-metal stuff, though, but that's still an aesthetic argument for the Gold.
 
So I gotta try to sleep, but what my votes will likely be:

[ ] Jade, on merits

I feel few people are considering this as a chance to affect not only the future symbol of wizardkind, but also the future Prince of Reikland. The Jades might not be as flashily martial as some people would like Mandreds highest stat to be, but they offer the greatest chance to do straightforward good for the most amount of people. Beyond that, and beyond everything else, this Mandred could even change what people consider the use of a wizard to be.

On the flip side of "what people consider the best use of a wizard to be," however...

[ ] Bright, for (focusing and expanding upon the leadership side of Aqshy)

The Colleges were allowed to exist for one reason- their usefulness on the battlefield, during the invasion of an Everchosen. Considering Mandred will also likely be fighting the next Everchosen, it offers a nice parallel. Additionally, it's hard to argue against the sheer propaganda of the ultimate leader and warrior. I think this would have the easiest time normalizing wizards in the public consciousness, on top of being the closest match to his stats as they are at ten.
 
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Boney said:
Stern divines the future to cause the entrails of the enemies of the Empire to be spilled. He is always sought after by the Empire's Generals, not least of which because if the omens are unclear, he goes out onto the battlefield and summons comets and lightning to simplify matters.
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This is hilarious and such a Pratchetty take on celestials. Love it.
 
Boney said:
Utgard-Loki is the most direct reference, but there's another couple of bits from Nordic mythology. Ranald guarding the creation of Ghal Maraz is a twisting of Loki trying to sabotage the creation of Mjolnir in the myth of Loki's Wager, and stealing it back is a retelling of him helping Thor steal back Mjolnir in the Lay of Thrym, except without all the genderbending. I considered but eventually decided against including a line about him inventing nets so humans could steal fish from Manann from Loki trying to get away after killing Baldr, and tried to work in a line from the Lokasenna about the relationship between Odin and Loki to be about Ulric and Ranald, 'then didst thou promise no ale to pour, unless it were brought for us both', but I couldn't make it work.
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I do also like how in these versions of the stories, Ranald stands in for both Loki and Loki.

It's just fun.
 
Boney said:
Over several leisurely days Heidi tells tales of a Ranald different from any you've ever heard, but that rings no less true than any of them; of the blood brother of Ulric and consort of Shallya, and His adventures in a simpler time when all the Gods lived in the hall of Father Taal and Mother Rhya, the latter of whom Ulric was brother to. She tells of Ranald guarding the Dwarf that forged Ghal Maraz against an attack from the minions Plague God, and then of Ranald helping Ulric steal it back from the Sky-Giant that had ended up with it after Sigmar went east. She tells of Ranald helping Ulric steal the Fauschlag, the lonely mountain that would become Middenheim, from Taal so that Ulric might have His own people, and then of helping Him guard against the 'Child of Destruction' known as Lupos, who sought to steal wolves from Him. She tells of Ranald stealing Morr's sword to give to Verena so that She might wield it against the Coming of Chaos, and to have taught Her how to apologize when returning it so charmingly that Myrmidia was the eventual result.

She then tells of Ranald and Ulric growing distant as Ranald tricks Ulric into doing what needed to be done with a series of bets and illusions. First, of Ulric being given a tankard that had concealed within it a portal to the Sea of Claws, and being bet that he could not drink it in one go, which lowered the water so that Mother Rhya's children could walk to the Old World. Second, of being bet that he could not lift a cat, which Ulric could not see was really the eldest and largest of the Dragon Ogres, which allowed Ranald to hide a terrible Daemon-Sword beneath the sleeping giant so that none could wield it. And third, of being bet he could not win a wrestling match against an old woman, who Ulric could not see was actually Dread Morr, his father's most trusted advisor, which forced King Death to release a fraction of his hold on mortal life, allowing Shallya to steal away some of His inevitability and allowing for the possibility of death to be forestalled by medicines and blessings.
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I love this so much. There is always a hint of truth in myths.

We of course know the truth that Ranald and Shallya are romantically involved, though clearly, even if Heidi somehow knew about the Daughters it'd be too bold to speak about them to Mandred.

Smednir made Ghal Maraz, so perhaps the story with him being defended from Nurgle's forces by Ranald is referencing how Ku'gath Plaguefather supposedly attacked Karaz-a-Karak way back during the Coming of Chaos. I have to imagine that isn't exactly public knowledge, so Heidi knowing this may suggest a hint of truth.

The story with Sigmar and the Sky-Giant is interesting, because it takes the position that Sigmar did actually take Ghal Maraz with him to the East. Perhaps some ancient Ranaldite and Ulrican pair sought him out and had a neat adventure getting the Warhammer back.

The story involving the Daemon-Sword and the Dragon Ogre clearly is referencing the Slayer of Kings, the daemon-bound sword that Archaon wields in canon. The Dragon Ogre in question is Krakanrok the Black, father of all the Dragon Ogres. It does seem like a very Ranaldian thing to hide such a powerful thing in such a difficult place to get to, and the fact that Heidi again knows this somehow hints at Ranald's involvement.

The story involving Verena references the two canonical (and conflicting) myths regarding how she took up her sword: one of them says that she took up Morr's blade in necessity to fight off Chaos (shaming the other Gods into action), and the other says that she (as Hoeth) disguised herself as a servant of Chaos and then tricked a Daemon-God named Ulgu into giving her Tlanxla's Sword of Judgement, a weapon of incredible power. Given how the story extensive trickery, it does seem a bit more likely that it wasn't Verena herself that actually took the blade, even if she was the one to wield it. (Sidenote, Verena charming Morr into giving her Myrmidia is hilarious.)

The story with the Sea of Claws and the one with the Fauschlag make me squint, as does the one regarding Lupos... Perhaps the Sea of Claws one indicates some sort of truth as to how humans (or perhaps just the Belthani) first arrived to the Old World. If Albion could sink half the Old World, perhaps it could pull a Moses and let people walk across the ocean to land.


...Personally, I'm leaning towards either Aqshy or Ulgu.

The Jades' argument that he could help transform Reikland into the Empire's breadbasket strikes a bit hollow given how the argument isn't based around him at all - it's all about how he could benefit Reikland, not how good Ghyran would be for him. Meanwhile Gehenna's argument is a bit... I mean, in a vacuum I'd agree that an Elector Count that can make themselves armored and their weapon sharper would be a great choice, but normal armor is counterproductive to a wizard and he's likely to use Reikland's Runeblade as its Elector Count so I'm not sure why she mentioned that - him being elementally good at Chamon is a much better argument than those.

I was actually leaning away from the Greys for Mandred due to the previous discussion on stats, but the update itself makes me think he's definitely moldable enough to be made good at Intrigue, let alone how he's been instinctively shaping Ulgu for a while and how it'd be a natural fit with worshiping Ranald.

The Brights are similarly a strong contender because they'd mesh really well with his martial tendency, and how they could be made to focus on the more inspiring aspects of leadership as well. Besides which, they are built as a mystery cult of sorts. I'm sure he'd learn how to keep secrets even before the Grey Order decided to teach him Intrigue.

Speaking of the Brights...

Boney said:
Investigating and teaching the Indic paradigm of Aqshy would be the sort of thing you could get them to agree to for Mathilde's support. Mathilde knows of a library that could get them started.
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Would this result in him ending up as a hybrid between the Indic and Imperial paradigms? I know that people's conceptions of the Winds are different even on an individual level, but can the Brights actually teach a paradigm that isn't mainstream to their Order?
 
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Parabola said:
Would this result in him ending up as a hybrid between the Indic and Imperial paradigms? I know that people's conceptions of the Winds are different even on an individual level, but can the Brights actually teach in a way that isn't mainstream to their Order?
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The colleges have a pretty versatile education system. After all the core of it is personal master-student education, which then expands into self-directed education. Integrating the Indic paradigm would mostly be a matter of finding Magisters and Lord Magisters who grok it the fastest to then teach it to Mandred.
 
Honestly, Bright with Indic accents does sound interesting since it would give us a chance to see more cool magic world-building and it would be deal for both his stats and magical inclination.
 
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