We are under no obligation not to kill them if acting at Gretel's behest, she is the legitimate authority in her kingdom. There is no rule anywhere about how wizards should interact with Templars outside the Empire.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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We are under no obligation not to kill them if acting at Gretel's behest, she is the legitimate authority in her kingdom. There is no rule anywhere about how wizards should interact with Templars outside the Empire.
... Then there is no rule the other way around to, you see how that's bad right? Like sure, let's be a bloodthirsty murderhobo, that totally seems in character.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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There are still rules about how College wizards should interact with Templars, though. Mathilde doesn't stop being one by leaving the Empire's borders. (Gretel may-or-may-not have)
I expect Mathilde plans to have much more fun by fucking with him than just kill him.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Basic human decency is probably the stronger argument against it?
Edit: (Stronger as opposed to any arguments for being a murder hobo, not as opposed to other arguments against it).
Edit: (Stronger as opposed to any arguments for being a murder hobo, not as opposed to other arguments against it).
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pucflek
Verified simpleton
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True, it says he had it for centuries but it was smaller for most of its time. Not like we want to meet him anyway, Mathilde would have to kill him.
We don't actually! We can argue it's the same with the vampire with the library, there are bigger fish to fry!
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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- Czech Republic
I feel like the centuries old Strigoi that terrorizes everyone that doesn´t call him "My Lord" is probably a bigger issue than reclusive librarian.
That's just a normal noble with weird dietary requirements!
But I do get your point. Mathy would probably want to do something about him if she's nearby and capable.
I mean he is planning to murder one of our friends in spite of being legally signposted by dwarfs as OK... I doubt this is the first innocent he stalked on suspicion, you do not just go for minor heads of state out of the blue. Given the very likely trail of corpses I'd be fine with killing him and just as fine with handing him over to Gretel for judgement, it is her land after all.
... Aren't the dwarfs deliberately not sign posting that she belongs to them? I remember something like that. Also all we know is that he's investigating her and again, looks a bit like a vampire, has a skull aesthetic, it's not the worst leap of logic.
"Witch Hunter snooping around Gretel's lands". None of those words are murder. If he found she was a vamp sure, but he is checking that's his job, that's good.
consequences
Not A Nice Person At All
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Snooping around doesn't automatically mean leaping immediately to extra judicial murder.
She has literal legal treaties with them to secure her people and she is being economically supported while she expands enough to make the land economical, no hiding here
This on the other hand is fair enough, I generally do not trust witch hunters to be competent enough to meaningfully check at a distance, but in itself that is not enough reason to kill him.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Sure, if he's the stereotypical 'burn the innocent and the guilty alike' then I'm fine with just killing him, but Boney has generally portrayed Witch Hunters here as not being quite that.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
I wouldn't quite go that far- 'trust but verify' I think.
(And really maybe no trust either)
Well, "benefit of the doubt" doesn't mean "trust implicitly" to me, but more like, give him/them a chance?
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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The Sigmarite order we visited in Talabheim Trouble was antagonistic kinda, immediately implying some nasty things, but thats about the most negative witch hunter portrayal i can recall. Im sure there are zealots in it that would happily burn every wizard, but at least the leadership knows to trade barbs at worst.
We don't know that. All we know is he is poking around. There are all kinds of reasons to do that.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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There's no guarantee the Witch Hunter in question is even there for Gretel. For all we know they're chasing someone who's fled the Empire, or they think there's a Warpstone smuggling ring in the area.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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I feel like it's quite possible that this is someone we know, or connected to someone we know.
The action's name is Witch Hunter, not Gretel, which is odd because typically we don't get that much in the way of 'generic' social actions. Usually social actions are about a specific named character, a group, or about a given topic. When it's the former, it's usually something they're wrapping up or just starting; whereas in the latter examples, information is obtained more directly. We hardly ever get social actions to handle someone else's problem for them.
So it's odd to focus on the Witch Hunter - I'd assume it'd normally be named Gretel and that it'd be about Mathilde backing her up in telling him that he's barking up the wrong tree. My bet is that this is Roswita's sibling.
...I suppose it's also distantly possible that Gretel has been turned by a Lahmian or something but I'd hope not.
The action's name is Witch Hunter, not Gretel, which is odd because typically we don't get that much in the way of 'generic' social actions. Usually social actions are about a specific named character, a group, or about a given topic. When it's the former, it's usually something they're wrapping up or just starting; whereas in the latter examples, information is obtained more directly. We hardly ever get social actions to handle someone else's problem for them.
So it's odd to focus on the Witch Hunter - I'd assume it'd normally be named Gretel and that it'd be about Mathilde backing her up in telling him that he's barking up the wrong tree. My bet is that this is Roswita's sibling.
...I suppose it's also distantly possible that Gretel has been turned by a Lahmian or something but I'd hope not.
There are not many legitimate reasons for a Witch Hunter to be in the Border Princes. Their authority doesn't really stretch outside the Empire. The biggest reason that comes to my mind is that they are tracking a fugitive.
And what makes that concerning is that most Witch Hunters would give up as soon as the fugitive crosses the border. So either this Witch Hunter is unusually dedicated to their job—which would be interesting by itself—or the fugitive in question is one that can not be left to their own devices.
And what makes that concerning is that most Witch Hunters would give up as soon as the fugitive crosses the border. So either this Witch Hunter is unusually dedicated to their job—which would be interesting by itself—or the fugitive in question is one that can not be left to their own devices.
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