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We don´t actually, but as said, this was supposed to be money for Lothern so eh.
The idea of getting loadsofmoney from ithilmar extends naturally from seeking trade avenues between Laurelorn and the Empire. If the thread decides to get jewels, that's cool and we will use them in Lothern, but let's not pretend the action didn't exist prior to Lothern-shopping gaining steam.

What we're really going to Ulthuan for is to punch Druchii in the face for three months.
 
The intentions of previous planmakers in previous turns do not chain us to one option in this moment.
If they did, this would not be a vote.
That is true and it is your prerogative, and in the same way I am not feeling chained by people thretening us with failure unless we grab every plus one in every book vote.

I suppose we are agreeng to disagree on this is what I am saying.
 
Belegar doesn't have ithilmar.

That's fair enough - I'm thinking more about Belegar covering the mundane book cost even (or rather particularly) in Ulthuan.


Some BÖÖK very reasonably can't be bought with money but the K8P Boon should at least cover all trashy romance novels published in Ulthuan since the War of the Beard (and other such miscellaneous purchases like whatever else is openly available in Lothern's bookshops).


That way all of Mathilde's own money could go to trinkets without BÖÖK competition (because otherwise I'm sure the competition will be fierce).
 
That's fair enough - I'm thinking more about Belegar covering the mundane book cost even (or rather particularly) in Ulthuan.


Some BÖÖK very reasonably can't be bought with money but the K8P Boon should at least cover all trashy romance novels published in Ulthuan since the War of the Beard (and other such miscellaneous purchases like whatever else is openly available in Lothern's bookshops).


That way all of Mathilde's own money could go to trinkets without BÖÖK competition (because otherwise I'm sure the competition will be fierce).

The exact details are too many ifs away for me to have planned them, but I'd allow some way of making some book purchases on Belegar's dime.
 
That's fair enough - I'm thinking more about Belegar covering the mundane book cost even (or rather particularly) in Ulthuan.


Some BÖÖK very reasonably can't be bought with money but the K8P Boon should at least cover all trashy romance novels published in Ulthuan since the War of the Beard (and other such miscellaneous purchases like whatever else is openly available in Lothern's bookshops).


That way all of Mathilde's own money could go to trinkets without BÖÖK competition (because otherwise I'm sure the competition will be fierce).
It would take a KAU action for the KAU to buy books in bulk the way it usually does. We might be able to set up contacts for such purchases, though?

EDIT: ninja-Boney'd!
 
Actually a question about the pure monetary choices... Wouldn't coins be better then gems for lothern? Elven cut gems are a rarity in the old world... But they definitely aren't in the middle of the biggest trade city the elves have. Their value might be lower then we thought there. Just a thought though.
The issue with getting coin is that the eonir don't really do precious metal coins yet- they're not currently liquid. Precious stones are tradesble over time for coin in other places, while demanding coin would put the eonir into a loan deal with middemland, which some readers have deemed suboptimal
 
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Honestly, it's becoming more and more dubious than we're even going to Ulthuan next turn.

So our choices boil down to three options:

A) liquid wealth that we might not even have an immediate need for

B) massively growing the EIC, and with it our passive wealth and the reach of our information network

C) unlocking the military and magical theory section of the Library of Mournings, and filling KAU with Eonir books on every accessible topic

I'm honestly leaning towards Trade Goods. This is an EIC action, the EIC is a really useful tool that I would like to see grown, and we can attempt to negotiate for library access in the future (especially now that we have a waystone), but establishing an economic foothold in Laurelorn would be much harder to develop.

Especially since we know a bunch of copycat merchants will be a few weeks behind us with their carts of ithilmar that they beat us too.
 
I mean, i am voting for Elfcation, we can i think just use an action, an overwork and one action from next turn, meaning that its actually pretty cheap investment when contrasted to normal turn.
 
I mean, i am voting for Elfcation, we can i think just use an action, an overwork and one action from next turn, meaning that its actually pretty cheap investment when contrasted to normal turn.
The rules are that we're allowed to take 1-2 of the 3 AP cost of the Nagarythe trip "on credit" -- we'd start the trip on T44, and the Coin from T44 would apply to the whole thing, and then when we got back we'd have however many AP we used "on credit" fewer on T45. T44 is also a free overwork turn, which is why it's been the fixation of the pro-elfternship lobby for some time. Personally, I'm skeptical of this -- I think we will be sad when stuff comes up on T45 and now we have only 4 or 3 AP to deal with it instead of the usual 5 -- but it's an option.

I strongly recommend planmakers who include Elfternship make it clear how many actions they're taking from T45, the way we currently have a norm of making it clear that a plan includes Overwork. Examples:

[*] Plan Put It All On The Card
-[*] 1 AP Overwork, 2 T45 actions used

[*] Plan Perfectly Balanced -- Wait, What Do You Mean That Was A Plan Name From 2020? Goddammit, This Is What I Get For Trying To Meme
-[*] 1 AP Overwork, 1 T45 action used

[*] Plan Next Turn Is Gonna Be Lit Tho
-[*] No Overwork, no T45 actions used
 
The exact details are too many ifs away for me to have planned them, but I'd allow some way of making some book purchases on Belegar's dime.

The cleanest way to do it, I think, would be to have Mathilde's book purchases in Lothern subsume the standard Book Purchasing Vote for the turn we travel to Ulthaun on.
 
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Honestly, it's becoming more and more dubious than we're even going to Ulthuan next turn.

I mean, i am voting for Elfcation, we can i think just use an action, an overwork and one action from next turn, meaning that its actually pretty cheap investment when contrasted to normal turn.
I am not interested in going for Ulthuan right before the culmination of the Waystone project.

We are 2-3 Turns away from being done.

Things still to do:
Investigate Kislev Network (1 AP)
Make one more waystone variant for cheaper mass deployment (1 AP)

Deploy Waystone to: Laurelorn, Kislev, Karaz Ankor, Sylvania, Mordheim, Forest of Shadows other assorted provinces (5-10 AP, or so)
Deploy Tributary (optional): 0-5 AP (I do not see tributaries as a priority when we have waystones to deploy)

I also doubt we have to check off every single province ourselves.
Once there are results to be seen, we no longer will have to advertise the waystones to get it done, they'll ask for them.

So we have ~10ish AP to spend on it until we are DONE.

Easily doable within 3 turns.

I am not interested in interrupting that narrative momentum by introducing a "Druchi killing"-Arc at that time.
We can do it when we are done, before we go to our next project. Whatever it'll be.
 
I'm not actually particularly sold on the BOOK option for the ithilmar money, for once. Shocking, I know, since I've basically been the pioneer of the entire BÖÖK thing, but hear me out:
I'm not sold on BÖÖK, but it does bring something to the table we'd have a hard time getting otherwise. Since Ithilmar is militarily relevant, we can get our hands on militarily relevant BÖÖK. Which means magic books. That is pretty neat*, and not something we'll get otherwise, at least not without investment of some other serious resource**. I'm pretty sure any copying agreement with KAU will have "but not the magic stuff" in there, unless elfs suddenly get a lot more interested in human magic, and KAU gets its hands on a lot more human magic books.

Incidentally, "we have elf magic books" is a pretty great way to get the other colleges to share their magic books.

*You can drop a stack of elf magic books, then the orbs, and the go psych! here's how I actually managed it.
**I'm pretty sure that reward for waystone project is one possibility. I imagine a point buy system, and that would probably sorta low.
 
God this social turn is so damn packed with good shit, and a lot of it is one-off too unless I'm mistaken. Feels like the stars aligned to screw with our social AP.

[ ] The Festival Lord
[ ] Initiate
[ ] Dooming and Quickening
[ ] Entrance Examination

Look at this! Have we ever had so many one off socials turn up all at once before? And then there's the other long running and new actions!

I really damn hope Gretel makes sure to spend some time fucking with her Witch Hunter rather than dealing with it promptly. What's life come to that it looks like we won't even have the free time to screw with dumbasses?
 
I am really not a fan of using this to boost the EIC, there's already lots of actions set to boost the EIC that it's in a prime opportunity to take, the We Silk, the Kislev Canal, the fog bridge and so on.



I am also a bit weirded by how people seem to think that getting access to military secrets from the Eonir will be easy. Since we begun the project we haven't been able to get them nor have we managed to get Anoqenyan.

I can't really think of a way to get them except if we used our reward for the Waystone Project on it.
 
I am not interested in going for Ulthuan right before the culmination of the Waystone project.

We are 2-3 Turns away from being done.

Things still to do:
Investigate Kislev Network (1 AP)
Make one more waystone variant for cheaper mass deployment (1 AP)

Deploy Waystone to: Laurelorn, Kislev, Karaz Ankor, Sylvania, Mordheim, Forest of Shadows other assorted provinces (5-10 AP, or so)
Deploy Tributary (optional): 0-5 AP (I do not see tributaries as a priority when we have waystones to deploy)
That is severely downplaying the things Mathilde should finish before calling the Project concluded. I am sure she could do that, but it's basically just declaring MISSION ACCOMPLISHED while leaving many important tasks undone.

Our tributaries can't be deployed everywhere, so we need to spend at least two actions getting those. I don't think the Karaz Ankor will deploy tributaries unless we push for it, so we need to at least do that, after inventing them. We need to ask Ulthuan how to build nexuses. Bretonnia would be really helpful for that so we should ask them to join. We also need to ask Kislev and Laurelorn what their Networks do. We asked the Karaz Ankor what theirs did and it would annoy them if we didn't do the same for Kislev and Laurelorn. More than that, part of Laurelorn's network is in the Empire! We should investigate Athel Loren's network too. We also need to investigate the Forest of Shadow nexuses. Mordheim also needs to be investigated, if it has a nexus, we need to reactivate it. We also need to reclaim those nexuses.

This is a lot of very important things we need to do.

Harsh disagree, i want to streamline the current variant.

The waystone network isn´t in any rush.
Did you mean stripping out the riverine portion of the waystone or just letting it be refined by building more of it?
 
...I just had a thought.
They've been the only library for a dozen lifetimes. They're still getting their mind around the idea of there being other libraries that are actually accessible to them, rather than being mere legends in a long-forgotten past. That libraries could view other libraries as rivals or threats doesn't occur to them, and they could very easily come to the conclusion that they shouldn't. When you really get down to it the idea that every type of everything is always going to be in constant brutal competition with every other thing of its type is an astoundingly grim one, and the longer I think about it the more distressing it is that it's just taken as a given that libraries will by default seek to undermine each other as much as possible for prestige.
The above is from roughly around when we thought "hey, we could get their silk weaving books" followed by "wait, we should get their books on textiles in general so we don't miss anything and also to mask that we're specifically aiming to enter the silk market".

And while it makes Boney depressed, I cannot help but notice that being the sole source of elven texts in general, the sole source on a number of elf-related lore in particular, and just overall being one of if not the greatest library on the continent not locked behind a dawi guild would be a particularly juicy asset to their soft power and the normalization of relations with the empire via its prestige alone, nevermind as a destination for research.

And that they might notice that at some point. But haven't yet. The idea of other libraries being competition or rivals has not even entered their minds. The closest they've come to noticing that it's an asset to the single overriding goal of their grand strategy was Caedeth floating the library as a perk for having Laurelorn host the waystone project.

These are the people considering the value of scribing a copy of the Library of Mournings for us including most of its restricted magic and military texts (!!!) versus a single crate of scrap ithilmar.

Let that sink in for a moment.

...

We will never get a deal this good ever again. Take it. TAKE IT!

Take it with both fucking hands before they see the EIC debut spider silk garments that compete with their trade goods and realize why we purchased those textile books. I don't think they'll turn off the spigot to us since they want weber to stay in their corner but they will never, ever give us the opportunity to buy them out wholesale for a price this low again. Even a traditional scribing deal for less of the books on offer now is likely to go way up in price as soon as those silk garments hit the market and they put two and two together.

If you're worried about this deal being a scam for them, don't: We can easily make closing this deal the best decision for them despite the above considerations. As head librarian of Kron-Azril-Ungol we can set policies that preserve the geopolitical benefits of the library of mournings for Laurelorn, we can even help them recognize and leverage those benefits better than they otherwise could once we have an accounting of what's in it from our own copy, but we probably only ever have this one shot to get said copy and do any of that.

So please. Just think of the limited time offer books, and please buy the Library of Mournings.
 
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I absolutely am voting to elfcation next turn.

Plus Iron orcs.
If we were to elfcation and iron orcs on the same turn we would need to pick between the protector and the father sides of the coin.
More than anything else, I am unwilling to do either of those actions without the associated coin face.
 
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Thank you for the great update @Boney. Even if I'm just lurking, I'm always appreciating and reading the updates within a day or two. I also love every scene that has Panoramia and Eike, which makes this update one of my favorites. Nice to see Sofia and Panoramia are in sync and that Sofia and Eike are getting along.

The social options are extremely interesting. You outdid yourself on the options available to us. Can't wait for it.
 
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