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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Simon_Jester said:
However, one good argument for Ulthuan being more like a bowl than a doughnut is that Ulthuan has lots of islands associated with it. If those islands are actually parts of Ulthuan's landmass that happen to have only submerged connections with the mainland, it makes a lot more sense that all this would hang together if Ulthuan were bowl-shaped.
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Well, the islands were once part of Ulthuan's coastline, until the Sundering broke the continent. That said, as the Sundering is also what made Ulthuan float, I don't think there's much evidence either way about them being connected or not.

Boney said:
Yeah, the Isle of the Dead is the centre of a very clear island chain stretching from Avelorn to Eataine. I could see them doing magics to keep islands like the Isle of the Dead or the Gaean Vale or the Shrine of Asuryan in place if they weren't attached to the mainland and would otherwise have gone under during the Sundering, but not for every speck of rock in the chain.

(if I was worldbuilding for Ulthuan, I'd say there's one underwater passage that connects the Inner Sea to the rest of the ocean, and that Cold Drake Keep was built to keep watch over it, hence the name.)
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Given that the Isle of the Dead is apparently artificial, I had sort of assumed the rest of those islands were too, and were parts of the Waystone Network.

Apparently you can just sail straight under Lothern's Sea Gates. The Skaven did it to invade once.
 
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If we're looking at pure book-obtaining efficiency, we should get College books.

We have a lot of libraries to copy to cover Imperial things, anything Dwarven we obtain via Barak Varr has a chance of being covered by getting a deal with Karaz-a-Karak, and I recall Boney once saying that it's possible that (after the Project is over?) we could be allowed to copy from the Library of Mournings via more experienced scribes. That just leaves the Colleges books, which we can't get any other way or mass-copy.

But of course, we don't really base our decisions entirely on what's more efficient. There's times we get books based on what we need right now, or what is cool or interesting.

And as such, personally, I'd like to actually look at the few magical Eonir books available to us, Forest Spirits and Beastman Wild Magic.
 
Parabola said:
We have a lot of libraries to copy to cover Imperial things, anything Dwarven we obtain via Barak Varr has a chance of being covered by getting a deal with Karaz-a-Karak, and I recall Boney once saying that it's possible that (after the Project is over?) we could be allowed to copy from the Library of Mournings via more experienced scribes. That just leaves the Colleges books, which we can't get any other way or mass-copy.
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Do you have a source for the Library of Mournings thing? I figured that it's always going to be a bit of problem because the image of an army of human scribes descending on one of the Eonir's national treasures is going to be a tough thing to sell.

Regarding magic books, we just recently got a bunch of magical Imperial books from the Elementalists, and I think we might be able to get at least some more magical texts from the Light Order's Ancient Library, so I don't think it's obvious that there's no way to mass-copy at least some of those books. Besides, if all goes well we'll Morb next turn, and perhaps a huge pile of College books could be (part of?) our payement for them.

EDIT: on second thought our scribes might not be able to copy magical books, so to get any texts we'll have to either get the books handed to us (like the Elementalists did) or make some sort of arrangement with the library where they copy their own books and we copy ours in return or something? Might be trickier than I thought. I guess we got pretty lucky with the Elementalists.
 
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mathymancer said:
Do you have a source for the Library of Mournings thing? I figured that it's always going to be a bit of problem because the image of an army of human scribes descending on one of the Eonir's national treasures is going to be a tough thing to sell.
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Here's one of the posts I was remembering,

Boney said:
Tomcost said:
Do we know of we can start copying the Library of Mournings with our future scribes once they learn Eltharin?
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You'd have to negotiate it, but being able to copy the non-magic, non-Cult, non-military parts aren't off the table.
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Can't find it right now but I could swear there was another quote regarding their magical books as well.

I also recall something along the lines of how the Eonir are unlikely to think any library could rival their own, or see it as a threat.
 
Parabola said:
I also recall something along the lines of how the Eonir are unlikely to think any library could rival their own, or see it as a threat.
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They've been the only library for a dozen lifetimes. They're still getting their mind around the idea of there being other libraries that are actually accessible to them, rather than being mere legends in a long-forgotten past. That libraries could view other libraries as rivals or threats doesn't occur to them, and they could very easily come to the conclusion that they shouldn't. When you really get down to it the idea that every type of everything is always going to be in constant brutal competition with every other thing of its type is an astoundingly grim one, and the longer I think about it the more distressing it is that it's just taken as a given that libraries will by default seek to undermine each other as much as possible for prestige.
 
Boney said:
They've been the only library for a dozen lifetimes. They're still getting their mind around the idea of there being other libraries that are actually accessible to them, rather than being mere legends in a long-forgotten past. That libraries could view other libraries as rivals or threats doesn't occur to them, and they could very easily come to the conclusion that they shouldn't. When you really get down to it the idea that every type of everything is always going to be in constant brutal competition with every other thing of its type is an astoundingly grim one, and the longer I think about it the more distressing it is that it's just taken as a given that libraries will by default seek to undermine each other as much as possible for prestige.
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Capitalist Realism has its claws sunk deep into the minds of a lot of people.
 
mathymancer said:
Are they accessible to them? Cityborn can't leave Tor Lithanel for too long or they lose citizenship, right? So could they travel to KAU even if they wanted to?
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Is the requirement for Cityborn just that they can't live anywhere else or does it also stipulate how long you can be away?

(I'm imagining the scene in the Hobbit when Bilbo came back to find all his stuff being auctioned off)
 
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"There's a bunch of elvens coming out of the forest eager to see new things, wonder how it will go"

Dwarven innkeeper whom kept his great-great-great grandfather's cookbook on a dwarfish take of elven meals for centuries safe "I knew the ancestors wisdom would prevail! I have elven coin to earn!"
 
Boney said:
They've been the only library for a dozen lifetimes. They're still getting their mind around the idea of there being other libraries that are actually accessible to them, rather than being mere legends in a long-forgotten past. That libraries could view other libraries as rivals or threats doesn't occur to them, and they could very easily come to the conclusion that they shouldn't. When you really get down to it the idea that every type of everything is always going to be in constant brutal competition with every other thing of its type is an astoundingly grim one, and the longer I think about it the more distressing it is that it's just taken as a given that libraries will by default seek to undermine each other as much as possible for prestige.
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As the famous saying goes
Sir Charles Dewey - On the origin of Libraries said:
"One general law, leading to the advancement of all bibliothetic beings, namely, multiply, vary, let the strongest live and the weakest die."
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Eonir: no wait, wat? Thats actual nonsense.
 
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