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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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mathymancer said:
Are they accessible to them? Cityborn can't leave Tor Lithanel for too long or they lose citizenship, right? So could they travel to KAU even if they wanted to?
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Boney said:
That's going to get a lot of pressure to be tweaked once it actually sinks in to the population of novelty-starved hedonists that tourism is a thing they can do now.
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Boney said:
"A library," he says. "Straightforward. That shouldn't be a problem. The staffing, though... I take it you had humans in mind?"

"Any species," you say firmly, "as long as they don't act against the Civilized Realms and are willing to swear the proper oaths."

"That could cause trouble down the line," he says thoughtfully, "but I don't see anyone but the Dwarves and humans and Halflings of the Karak being willing to join it any time soon, so it's trouble for whoever wears the crown after me
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Belegar, Belegar, Belegar.... When you tempt fate like that, Belegar, not even the Ancestor Gods can protect you.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I'm not saying we'll end up with an Eonir scholar interested in libraries who decides to take a "short stint" at K8P (just a mere few decades or so) to see what one looks like being built from the ground up... but it doesn't seem impossible!
 
Boney said:
They've been the only library for a dozen lifetimes. They're still getting their mind around the idea of there being other libraries that are actually accessible to them, rather than being mere legends in a long-forgotten past. That libraries could view other libraries as rivals or threats doesn't occur to them, and they could very easily come to the conclusion that they shouldn't. When you really get down to it the idea that every type of everything is always going to be in constant brutal competition with every other thing of its type is an astoundingly grim one, and the longer I think about it the more distressing it is that it's just taken as a given that libraries will by default seek to undermine each other as much as possible for prestige.
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I mean, I was surprised more libraries weren't enthusiastic about KAU's offer to act as a free civilizational backup service, given that they weren't losing the books themselves. Maybe it's just an Empire thing?
 
Briefvoice said:
Belegar, Belegar, Belegar.... When you tempt fate like that, Belegar, not even the Ancestor Gods can protect you.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I'm not saying we'll end up with an Eonir scholar interested in libraries who decides to take a "short stint" at K8P (just a mere few decades or so) to see what one looks like being built from the ground up... but it doesn't seem impossible!
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I mean, she started with GIANT SPIDERS right after he said that, some forest Elgi are almost preferable!

...oh dear, the novelty-starved hedonists finding out that there's a whole new cool sapient species being taught to staff a library (historically unique event) might actually draw them out en masse...
 
Deathbybunnies said:
I mean, I was surprised more libraries weren't enthusiastic about KAU's offer to act as a free civilizational backup service, given that they weren't losing the books themselves. Maybe it's just an Empire thing?
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It's a prestige and money thing i think.
Having rare, unique, books gives you prestige, and gets you funding by allowing people to access or copy parts of yor collection.
And more prestige you have, more likely rich people are to give you money or books to fund your upkeep and gain more prestige.
KAU is seeking to become the biggest and most prestigious library, meaning lot of libraries might not want to be overshadowed.
Also some level of elitism probably.
 
Valmond said:
It's a prestige and money thing i think.
Having rare, unique, books gives you prestige, and gets you funding by allowing people to access or copy parts of yor collection.
And more prestige you have, more likely rich people are to give you money or books to fund your upkeep and gain more prestige.
KAU is seeking to become the biggest and most prestigious library, meaning lot of libraries might not want to be overshadowed.
Also some level of elitism probably.
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In that sense we are cheating since KAU's source of money has nothing to do with its prestige or indeed any passing patronage, its funds are made up of 'dwarf king repaying the reclamation of his hold'. There is no source of funding more rock solid in all the world.
 
Valmond said:
It's a prestige and money thing i think.
Having rare, unique, books gives you prestige, and gets you funding by allowing people to access or copy parts of yor collection.
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There's also issues of time and energy. Scholars coming in and copying one or two books at a time is no big deal, but the sort of "full back-up" Mathilde is asking for represents a huge disruption to the operations of the other library. Even making it up with money can only go so far. All of those books have to be pulled down, organized sent for copying, tracked, and put back in the correct place again afterwards. And remember that most libraries are not organized around "making tracking and moving books as painless as possible" like we voted to be the focused for KAU. It takes away time and energy from whatever other projects they might have going on. It means all these books have to be handled and endure just a little more wear and tear and will be unavailable for use while they are copied.

Let's not pretend these requests aren't at least a medium-size pain in the ass to accommodate, especially as Mathilde is typically looking to get it done in less than a year rather than "over a ten year period" or something.
 
DragonParadox said:
In that sense we are cheating since KAU's source of money has nothing to do with its prestige or indeed any passing patronage, its funds are made up of 'dwarf king repaying the reclamation of his hold'. There is no source of funding more rock solid in all the world.
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Which might actually make some librarians not want to work with us because we are not doing it "properly".
 
Briefvoice said:
There's also issues of time and energy. Scholars coming in and copying one or two books at a time is no big deal, but the sort of "full back-up" Mathilde is asking for represents a huge disruption to the operations of the other library. Even making it up with money can only go so far. All of those books have to be pulled down, organized sent for copying, tracked, and put back in the correct place again afterwards. And remember that most libraries are not organized around "making tracking and moving books as painless as possible" like we voted to be the focused for KAU. It takes away time and energy from whatever other projects they might have going on. It means all these books have to be handled and endure just a little more wear and tear and will be unavailable for use while they are copied.

Let's not pretend these requests aren't at least a medium-size pain in the ass to accommodate, especially as Mathilde is typically looking to get it done in less than a year rather than "over a ten year period" or something.
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Well yeah, but on the other hand there is an apocalyptic war on the horizon, as in literally make up of people who want to bring about the end of the world. A lot of libraries may not have 10 years before they are burned to the ground by warriors welded onto impractical helmets and goat people with a dearth of personal hygiene.
 
Boney said:
That's going to get a lot of pressure to be tweaked once it actually sinks in to the population of novelty-starved hedonists that tourism is a thing they can do now.
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I'd say that the Eonir will become the most entitled tourists in the Old World, but then I remembered that Asanaril both exists and hasn't seen the inside of an elven city in 200 years. Don't worry my poor Altdorf hoteliers, you shall be avenged! :V
 
Boney said:
That's going to get a lot of pressure to be tweaked once it actually sinks in to the population of novelty-starved hedonists that tourism is a thing they can do now.
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This makes my mind drift towards what even would be considered tourist attractions in the old world beyond those resorts that occasionally get brought up. But if people are making resorts it's not going to be long until they start making more extravagant exhibits. Which will kick off a series of events that leads to the mallus version of Action Park. Whats Action Park? Prestine American lore to it's very core.

Mallus has a inclination for goofy shit, it's a ticking clock until someone has a lot of bright ideas.
 
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I'm curious what people see as the reasonable worst case scenario for the next everchosen. Best case is, of course, they get stopped cold in northern Kislev, but worst case- losing the northern provinces? Siege at Altdorf? Nuln?
 
Glau said:
I'm curious what people see as the reasonable worst case scenario for the next everchosen. Best case is, of course, they get stopped cold in northern Kislev, but worst case- losing the northern provinces? Siege at Altdorf? Nuln?
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Bypass Kislev through clever sieges to keep Kislev bottled up, or work out a deal with the Chaos Dwarfs to hit the empire from the side somehow.

There is always a chance they hit somewhere else though.
 
Glau said:
I'm curious what people see as the reasonable worst case scenario for the next everchosen. Best case is, of course, they get stopped cold in northern Kislev, but worst case- losing the northern provinces? Siege at Altdorf? Nuln?
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Worst case is that our decisions wind up leading to Mathilde being Everchosen, and she wrecks the fundamental integrity of the entire waystone network in the Old World, sinking Ulthuan and destroying the Great Vortex thus heralding the end of the world. :p
 
Glau said:
I'm curious what people see as the reasonable worst case scenario for the next everchosen. Best case is, of course, they get stopped cold in northern Kislev, but worst case- losing the northern provinces? Siege at Altdorf? Nuln?
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I think the reasonable worst-case scarily is always 'the end of the world'. It's certainly what they're aiming for.
 
Godwinson said:
Worst case is that our decisions wind up leading to Mathilde being Everchosen, and she wrecks the fundamental integrity of the entire waystone network in the Old World, sinking Ulthuan and destroying the Great Vortex thus heralding the end of the world. :p
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u say this like a bad thing but this would be a amazing storyline! :V

GrimTheMad said:
Worst case scenario on an Everchosen is always 'they win, everything is Chaos forever'.
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didn't u hear our daemon friend?
Boney said:
"Should you earn this world through right of conquest, your will here would be paramount. Not because you would be stronger than the Four, but because They want to see what you would do with it. They have worlds without counting where Their will becomes fact, and They have wrung every morsel of enjoyment out of such simple games. If you would take up the crown and with it make yourself the ultimate bulwark against Them, They would whisper and cajole and threaten and offer you every temptation to turn upon your wards, but every 'no' would be a rapturous novelty. All you'd need do to keep this world from their grasp is to stay true to your purpose. And is that not the founding purpose of your order? To be the 'no' in the darkness?"
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Boney said:
"When you can be sure of nothing else, be sure of the boredom of the Four. When they want puppets, they have as many of the likes of me as they could ever want. What they don't have is you. Should you be willing to change that, you could command any price. Every price."
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If we joined chaos we could make the world a staunch bulwark against chaos it be a paramount victory for the forces of order! :V
 
The worst case is probably chaos hitting Ulthuan, since an everchosen getting their hands on the vortex most likely won't be fun for anyone involved.

The best case would be everchosen hitting the druichi, since it would just mean both sides ends up exhausting themself hitting each other.

Which means funnily enough the best and worst case scenario for the world is hitting various flavour of elfs.

Worst cast for Mathilde spesifically, is probably a skaven everchosen and united skavenblight as a result crashing down upon the empire and dwarves.
 
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Where is the waystone in Altdorf, anyways? Because my wordt case probably involves the armies of the empire marching north only for a massive fleet of chaos warriors to blow past marienburg and sack altdorf.
 
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