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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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I liked @Gavin Prince 's idea, what do people think of this as a 9th clause:

9) To ensure the ongoing stability, enhancement, and protection of the Waystone Network, a permanent council, hereby named the "Waystone Network Council*," shall be established, comprising representatives from all signatories of these accords. The council will be tasked with the oversight of the Waystone Network's integrity, conducting research for its improvement, and coordinating responses to any threats or damages it may face. Each signatory will appoint one representative to the council, ensuring a diversity of perspectives and expertise. These representatives must possess significant knowledge or experience related to the Waystone Network or related magical, technical, or strategic fields.

*Needs better acronym
 
Boney said:
Eltharion does not seem to possess the same brand of sneering arrogance for other races usually seen as typical of Elves, but he does carry himself with the bearing of a King. He treats the Tzar as an equal and the others as social inferiors whose skill makes you worthy of being listened to. But as the discussion goes on he treats Niedzwenka with more and more cautious respect. For a moment you thought he might genuinely fear her, until you realized the Shyish stirring in him is moving with purpose. Something no longer of this world is whispering to the Prince, and if you had to guess, you'd say it's letting him know exactly what he's sitting at a table with.
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Huh, so in this timeline Eltharion kept seeing his father Moranion after breaking Grom's war and cutting him up piece by piece before throwing him into a fire. Getting major Shadow of Mordor/War vibes.
 
Ambit said:
...I'm terrified, but out of curiosity which quest was this?
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Threads of destiny, sequel to forge of destiny.

To be fair, I was slightly hyperbolic for humorous reasons. While the 46 (actually 47, there is still an as of yet unwritten epilogue) update figure is correct, the situation was a lot more tense making the politics much more interesting, there was active sabotage we had to combat, there was character development done in some of these rounds, and said quest has relatively small but frequent and very consistent updates.

...Most of these updates were spent balancing favor and politicking though.
 
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Paragraph 6 talks that "signatories are encouraged to share...", but signatories are states/rulers, not the ones who actually know spells/techniques/secrets. I imagine that Emperor can order Colleges to do (almost) anything, but can High King actually make Runesmithing Guild to disclose something they don't want to?
 
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Humbaba said:
[jk] No
-[ ] Ranald is also watching these accords being made (and laughing).

I don't think we should actually object on this basis but I'm sad we haven't snuck in a reference to our God somewhere.

Besides he's been a lot more involved in this than Sigmar, and Sigmar's name got on the document. :V
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If you look at it another way, would a god of tricksters and thieves appreciate having his name on a legally binding document? He's not a god of lawyers, after all.
 
storryeater said:
Threads of destiny, sequel to forge of destiny.

To be fair, I was slightly hyperbolic for humorous reasons. While the 46 (actually 47, there is still an as of yet unwritten epilogue) update figure is correct, the situation was a lot more tense making the politics much more interesting, there was active sabotage we had to combat, there was character development done in some of these rounds, and said quest has relatively small but frequent and very consistent updates.

...Most of these updates were spent balancing favor and politicking though.
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Gavin Prince said:
Threads of Destiny. Hopefully this treaty is signed with fewer immortal horrors trying to break things into open hostility.
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Oh damn, I haven't picked up that quest in a long while. Seems like I've missed out on a lot.

I'm glad this particular signing is so much less fraught lol
 
Raiseth said:
I am satisfied.


If you look at it another way, would a god of tricksters and thieves appreciate having his name on a legally binding document? He's not a god of lawyers, after all.
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Ranald the Protector probably would given what it is in service of and if we did it in secret it would also resonate with the Deceiver. I think we should try to sneak in an X. I do not expect it to do anything, but it's a nice gesture to the only got who, as far as we know, directly contributed to the Project.
 
This event could setup a Warhammer version of Chaldea Security Organization with field teams for investigation and reconnaissance of Waystone locations and should things go to hell or about to, that would result in an UN style peacekeeping mission on permanent occupation.
Mathilde and her group would be the directors and senior researchers and you can't have VIP running around in the field so the more we expand, the more we need to recruit directly into the organization from wizards to elves to focus solely Waystone matter, not treating it as a side job.

Would be fun seeing Mathilde leading the international taskforce into Los Cabos should things fall over there.
 
Would it be possible to add Ranald as one of the overseeing Gods? It seems appropriate to include him given his close patronage of Mathilde and it could eventually be a major boost to his prestige to be associated with this treaty. This could contribute to larger efforts to make him more of a mainstream and accepted God.
 
Ct613hulu said:
Would it be possible to add Ranald as one of the overseeing Gods? It seems appropriate to include him given his close patronage of Mathilde and it could eventually be a major boost to his prestige to be associated with this treaty. This could contribute to larger efforts to make him more of a mainstream and accepted God.
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It's been asked, we cannot do it openly, but Mathy might be able to sneak something into the final draft.
 
Jrin said:
This event could setup a Warhammer version of Chaldea Security Organization with field teams for investigation and reconnaissance of Waystone locations and should things go to hell or about to, that would result in an UN style peacekeeping mission on permanent occupation.
Mathilde and her group would be the directors and senior researchers and you can't have VIP running around in the field so the more we expand, the more we need to recruit directly into the organization from wizards to elves to focus solely Waystone matter, not treating it as a side job.

Would be fun seeing Mathilde leading the international taskforce into Los Cabos should things fall over there.
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You know apparations do match up to class system pretty well, I wonder if we can use them as a basis for the Servants. I mean Mathilde almost copied her looks how hard would it to let a ghost to posses one I wonder?
 
on reflection trying to make people more tolerant by sneaking a fast one by them was doomed to fail from the start, but it still rankles that the hedgewise seems like the only group not covered in the treaty, especially considering Aksel's significant contributions.
 
Boney said:
8. These accords are made and signed under the sight of the Ancient Widow and Dazh, Asuryan and Hoeth, Grungni and Thungni, Sigmar and Verena, and Isha and Hekarti.
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Why is the Ancient Widow listed as the chief god of Kislev, rather than the waystone-related god? I'm not sure how Dazh is related to waystones either.

I thought Ursun was the foremost god of Kislev (Boris at least would say he should be). Even if the position of his cult has taken major blows from Ulric.
 
DragonParadox said:
It's been asked, we cannot do it openly, but Mathy might be able to sneak something into the final draft.
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The problem is that if it gets noticed, and it seems likely that the people we're dealing with would know what Ranald's holy symbol is, then everyone will want to squeeze the iconography of more gods into the document, making it a a mess.

It's not as if it's a secret.
 
Valarauko said:
The whole section but this sentence in particular is an interesting departure from previous interarticular commentary in that Mathilde's perspective is nowhere to be found, all to obscure exactly how she and everyone else reaction to the mention of the hidden isle.
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I mean, either she just laughed, or she was one of the ones who laughed but then went "but maybe?". Those were the only two reactions described.

Neablis said:
Phew. Glad that Thorek didn't take over the discussion. That could have been awkward.

I like it! It has no teeth, but it was never going to. This isn't the sort of document that stands up to the signatories trying to subvert it. It has the right ethos and cutting off the Marianburg waystone blackmail is a nice cherry on top.
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Not sure the Marienburg Waystoen had much threat to it it personally. This makes it more obvious but I find it unlikely Ulthuan would have ever been ok with Marienburg messing with the Netowrk like that.

Somic said:
Aha, nice. On the one hand, the part about the Vortex belonging to Ulthuan and being their responsibility is totally true. On the other hand, they just attached a whole international cooperation document to a clause legitimising their preferred Phoenix King, which, while he's absolutely better than Malekith (low bar to clear), is also such fun to watch.
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I mean, technically it just delegitimises Malekith specifically. Finubar gets the benefits for now, but anyone they elect also will. Although literally every Phoenix King (yes, I'm including Caledor II) has been better than Malekith because that bar is so low bacteria are having limbo contests under it.

Ambit said:
Problem with that: Didn't we have Aksel sign on discreetly as a Priest of Haletha, not directly as one of the Hedgewise?
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IIRC sort of? Mathilde introduced him as some sort of Grey Order auxiliary who was also a Priest fo Halétha IIRC.

Rakuhn said:
Technically, the document specifies "Ulthuan, as led by the rightful and unburned Phoenix Kings".

As the only living elf to survive the Flame of Asuryan without magical aid, Malekith is the rightful, but burned, Phoenix King. And Finubar, who required magical aid to survive the flame, is thus an illegitimate usurper. Therefore, as no person actually fulfills the requirements specified, article 1 is inherently null and void. :V
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By that logic, Clause 1 refers to Aenarion. It's never been proven he's dead after all. Therefore, while Aenarion is the only legitimate Phoenix King, the power of the position is vested in a regency chosen by the Princes of Ulthuan :D

Always Late said:
Huh, so in this timeline Eltharion kept seeing his father Moranion after breaking Grom's war and cutting him up piece by piece before throwing him into a fire. Getting major Shadow of Mordor/War vibes.
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That or it's the magical amulet he wears which explicitly gives him knowledge. Usually magical knowledge though, so unsure if it could or did do this specifically, and Shyish reference makes me think it's more likely to be some sort of spirit.

MrHobbit said:
Why is the Ancient Widow listed as the chief god of Kislev, rather than the waystone-related god? I'm not sure how Dazh is related to waystones either.

I thought Ursun was the foremost god of Kislev (Boris at least would say he should be). Even if the position of his cult has taken major blows from Ulric.
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The Widow is absolutely the chief god of Kislev. Perhaps not the most widely worshipped, but she's literally the patron of the country and responsible in no small part for the founding of it. As for Dazh, I think he's a best fit. Kislev doesn't really have a god of magic or learning like the other polities.
 
MrHobbit said:
Why is the Ancient Widow listed as the chief god of Kislev, rather than the waystone-related god? I'm not sure how Dazh is related to waystones either.

I thought Ursun was the foremost god of Kislev (Boris at least would say he should be). Even if the position of his cult has taken major blows from Ulric.
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Boris Ursus, the Tzar that is also High Priest of Ursun, might have pushed for Ursun to be listed first. That is not the Boris you are currently dealing with.

Dazh is mentioned due to being the god of hospitality and the hearth, which seems appropriate for an international project to make Kislev more livable.
 
Boney said:
Doing so openly would be problematic, as every nation contributed two gods: the foremost god and the most applicable god. Breaking with that to bump off Sigmar or Verena would be very blatant and would make a lot of enemies. But if you can think of a sneaky way to get him in there, you absolutely can vote to do so.
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For the record, I am very much willing to try and bump off Sigmar in favour of Ranald, potential enemies be damned.

He knows what He did.
 
These accords are made and signed under the sight of the Ancient Widow and Dazh, Asuryan and Hoeth, Grungni and Thungni, Sigmar and Verena, and Isha and Hekarti.
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I think that I can included Randal in a away:

These accords are made and signed under the sight of all good Gods opossing Chaos among them the Ancient Widow and Dazh, Asuryan and Hoeth, Grungni and Thungni, Sigmar and Verena, and Isha and Hekarti.
 
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