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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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thamuzz said:
Which part?
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The lack of scouting actions being taken on the other peaks here. BoneyM has stated outright that event are in motion in each Peak equivalent to what we've seen already, which were creation of a Orc idol (Dragon tier enemy) and the potential deal between Grobi and Skaven which would have lead to cooperation between them and the goblins getting monsters and rat ogre packs to assist them.

WoG is that if we don't get there in time they happen. I don't particularly want hundreds of dwarves to die because Mathilde couldn't put off spending time with her friends.

Gingganz said:
From how I remember our time in Stirland, we were always short on actions.

Also, taking the three epilogue chapters together, we have nine actions, and choosing is still damn hard.
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We haven't put one action towards scouting threats in nine actions if scouting fails and we know from WoG that the dwarves aren't capable of scouting in the way that Mathilde is.
 
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[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends, and you'll be practically next door in Altdorf. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.

Okay, much as I want to visit with our friends, that's worrying.
 
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends, and you'll be practically next door in Altdorf. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
 
Sure, why not.

[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[] All this time away has made you miss your friends, and you'll be practically next door in Altdorf. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
 
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veekie said:
-Wizard
--Pros:
---High opportunity to gather research paper material while working, translating to incidental College favors.
---Wide remit, anything weird or difficult to solve can be presented as our area of interest.
---Decent chances of triggering Protector by saving people from spoopy threats
--Cons:
---High uncertainty. Being the weird shit specialist means you don't know when or where weird shit might crop up.
---We're the only one. Unless we attract significant numbers of Journeymen or take on apprentices, we're a department of one.
---Without Ritualist, and with our barely developed Enchanting outclassed by dwarf work, our contributions outside of finding trouble to shoot is going to be relatively limited.
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Eight hours late to the discussion but hey, that's sleep for you. Anywho I wanted to chime in on the last Con while I have a minute. Just because we're the court wizard instead of someone else doesn't mean that we can't lean on the dwarfs to get things done. If we want to have a runesmith "on staff" to get advice and permanent works, we totally can. That mean if Mathilde runs into a situation that calls for runes, for cultural or magical reasons, she absolutely can. They'd probably prefer it that way tbh, especially if we're working on something meant to last a while.
 
Wasn't the thing with Asarnil that everyone wanted to interact with him some more, but it was decided it would be wiser to reach Magister Lord rank first so we could interact on a slightly more even field?
 
If we spend an extra week in Wurtbad, that's another week Panoramia doesn't get her scroll which means another week of desperate, starving spiders throwing themselves onto merciless dwarven pikes before anyone can talk to them. Will nobody think of the spiders?!
 
PsyFarrow said:
Not investigating the six warlord plots of the other mountains that we know are happening.
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Well, one is troll mountain, and I believe we generally know what's up there. Then another got stormed by Orcs, so I'm willing to bet that is one plot that ended at the point of a big choppa. That leaves four plots, none of which were aimed at the dwarves because we just got here.

I fail to see how extending our trip a bit, while we are already up there makes less sense than 'planing' on going on a whole other trip.
 
[X] Remain in Karak Eight Peaks, either in the employ of Belegar or pursuing your research.


[X] Give them away...
- [X] To the Amber College

[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.

[x] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.

[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends, and you'll be practically next door in Altdorf. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.


Even if it's not the "optimal" choice, I think Mathilde deserves a break to reconnect with her old friends. She's still a person, not a game character protagonist!
 
Mr Apollo said:
Well, one is troll mountain, and I believe we generally know what's up there. Then another got stormed by Orcs, so I'm willing to bet that is one plot that ended at the point of a big choppa. That leaves four plots, none of which were aimed at the dwarves because we just got here.

I fail to see how extending our trip a bit, while we are already up there makes less sense than 'planing' on going on a whole other trip.
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Narratively that's not how it would work we wouldn't be extending our trip just a little if it's taking enough time to stop us doing the equivalent of scouting out one of the peaks. Also ICly it's almost certain that Mathilde isn't actually correct about Troll mountain being safe as we never found out what the event occurring there actually is. Also just because a plot isn't aimed at the dwarves doesn't mean it would have absolutely done a number on them.

The Orc idol wouldn't have been intended for usage against the Dwarves it still would killed hundreds of them if it had gone active.
 
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends, and you'll be practically next door in Altdorf. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
 
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[X] Remain in Karak Eight Peaks, either in the employ of Belegar or pursuing your research.

[X] Give them away...
-[X] To the Amber College

[X] Speak with King Belegar and King Kazador about the relationships and apparent rifts between Dwarfholds.
[X] Join Karak Azul as they raid and scout in force the other portions of the Karak.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends, and you'll be practically next door in Altdorf. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
[X] You've been out of touch for a while. Linger in Altdorf after you visit the College and catch up with what's been happening in the Empire.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
The lack of scouting actions being taken on the other peaks here. BoneyM has stated outright that event are in motion in each Peak equivalent to what we've seen already, which were creation of a Orc idol (Dragon tier enemy) and the potential deal between Grobi and Skaven which would have lead to cooperation between them and the goblins getting monsters and rat ogre packs to assist them.

WoG is that if we don't get there in time they happen. I don't particularly want hundreds of dwarves to die because Mathilde couldn't put off spending time with her friends.
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Let's not be overly dramatic here. Just as the bad guy NPCs do things without Mathilde so do the good guys do things without her. The bad guys' plans may "happen", but that don't mean that they'll accomplish shit, because the dwarves are already doing their own scouting and defensive preparations. And for that matter, Mathilde finding out about some of them doesn't mean she could stop any of them.

You can't guilt this scouting action as the one thing that will save hundreds of dwarven lives. it just doesn't work that way.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Narratively that's not how it would work we wouldn't be extending our trip just a little if it's taking enough time to stop us doing the equivalent of scouting out one of the peaks. Also ICly it's almost certain that Mathilde isn't actually correct about Troll mountain being safe as we never found out what the event occurring there actually is. Also just because a plot isn't aimed at the dwarves doesn't mean it would have absolutely done a number on them.

The Orc idol wouldn't have been intended for usage against the Dwarves it still would killed hundreds of them if it had gone active.
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I mean the quote from BoneyM doesn't necessarily mean that whatever is happening inside the mountain has to affect us, only that someone is planning something within the mountain and of the two plots we did blow up, only one was, in my estimation, all that likely to seriously affect the campaign. The Ritual of only Gork (Or was it Mork?). All told, a few giant rats, while unpleasant, isn't something dwarves are unfamiliar with or don't know how to handle and in that instance it was less important that we put the kibosh on that deal specifically and more that we ended up throwing the entire power structure of the Orcs in the mountain into chaos by picking off someone high up. Yes, we will need to pay attention to what's going on in the other peaks and it would be disasterous to get complacent and think we can just wait until we're ready to clear them out, but it's also more than a little hysterical to run around claiming that not scouting them right now is all that likely to lead to disaster.

From a game design point of view it would be... pretty, inconsistent is the nicest way I can think of putting it.WE just finished a large compaign, and these sections are explicitly being called out as epilogues to that, so to make any actions we take supremely critical doesn't make sense to me except in determining what we want to do.

I voted for scouting because I think it's important, but I sincerely doubt disaster will fall if it doesn't win.
 
Mr Apollo said:
How the hell is using out of character information provided by the GM to dismiss in-game observations provided to our character, in character?
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I meant that her IC observations weren't borne out by OC information. Also frankly speaking Mathilde is smart enough to know that unknowns need to be made known.

Briefvoice said:
Let's not be overly dramatic here. Just as the bad guy NPCs do things without Mathilde so do the good guys do things without her. The bad guys' plans may "happen", but that don't mean that they'll accomplish shit, because the dwarves are already doing their own scouting and defensive preparations. And for that matter, Mathilde finding out about some of them doesn't mean she could stop any of them.

You can't guilt this scouting action as the one thing that will save hundreds of dwarven lives. it just doesn't work that way.
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Sure I can, because the Rangers aren't capable of actually scouting behind enemy lines like Mathilde is. Every plot we've come across Mathilde has been able to stop. The dwarves are unlikely to be able to find out about these plots before they reach what ever conclusion they will reach because Unlike mathilde they don't have the grey wind of magic backing them up.

Boney has explicitly told us that's the case that we don't fit into dwarven paradigms which shoots down the idea that the Rangers can do scouting in the way Mathilde can. I keep pointing back to the ones we've already stopped because they're perfect examples of events that the Rangers 1) had no idea about and 2) even if they did know couldn't actually stop it.

The Rangers can scout more area than Mathilde in the technical sense that there are a lot more of them, but they can't infiltrate past enemy lines. Mathilde can.
 
And how is it relevant that they can't scout like she can? Quantity has a quality of its own, as you well should know.
 
Aegon Targaryen said:
And how is it relevant that they can't scout like she can? Quantity has a quality of its own, as you well should know.
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Because that Quantity is relegated to being in front of enemy lines, so they're almost certainly never going to the chance to peek under the covers and find that Green skin warboss making deals with the skaven, or that shaman performing a magical ritual, or that warplock engineer working on some kind of massive warp bomb.

The Rangers can give the lay of the land up to the enemies and show us tunnels would lead deep into enemy territory, what they can't do is range into those tunnels and come out the other side. Mathilde can. Do you really not see how being able to throw an illusion on top of your self making you look like a member of people being scouted changes literally everything?
 
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