Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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It was a common thread assumption for a while, but I don't believe we got any actual confirmation of it - the closest was that having multiple magic languages to draw on might make it easier to communicate some concepts to other spellcasters, iirc.
My understanding has always been that learning more magical languages gives Mathilde more vocabulary, and that more vocab means she has more options when creating and codifying spells.
It won't be a direct boost to her power, but it's possible that a spell might be easier to create if she can choose between three different words for "fog", instead of just being locked into just the word used by Lingua Praestantia.
Old One specifically might be of use in rituals as well, as it gives us an option for creating rituals in that language. That's kind of a moot point, however, as we've sort of collectively decided to not bother with rituals.
It won't be a direct boost to her power, but it's possible that a spell might be easier to create if she can choose between three different words for "fog", instead of just being locked into just the word used by Lingua Praestantia.
Old One specifically might be of use in rituals as well, as it gives us an option for creating rituals in that language. That's kind of a moot point, however, as we've sort of collectively decided to not bother with rituals.
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
Huh, interesting.
Should we poke around the Marcher Fortress, try to do anything about it? Whether to try and drag and back to reality, or to push it completely out so people stop walking into it by accident? We might be uniquely capable of giving that a try after all.
Ah well, we might as well wait till we try to go about restoring Nexuses before we give that any real thought.
That's about where I remember that line of things ending as well.
On the other hand I could see this, I'm just not sure a "maybe" is worth learning three to four more languages we might not have a lot of use for, and attempting to reconstruct from a scratch a language that'd be pretty hard for us to confirm if we actually did the work correctly on.
We should absolutely not bring the fortress back.
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I wouldn't mind it if we ended up with a plot arc centered around learning Old One lore at some point after the Waystone project wraps up, but I have to imagine that such a plot thread would include a lot more adventuring in Lustria and hunting for Karak Zorn than it would spending a dozen actions in Altdorf doing comparative linguistics.
It is unlikely they're going to care for derivatives. As long as Mathilde's research is one step removed then it'll fall under Mathilde business rather than Runesmith business.
Maybe we could establish a trade of smut with its denizens.
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
Than we could take a look and try to cut it completely out of reality.
Even if we can't ourselves .... working with the Order of Gazul we probably could cut out that access point. That is what the Rune of Gazul does after all. We'd have to do our best to hide it, maybe even take credit for it (which I'm sure Mattie would hate), but I'm sure Gunners would love to completly seperate a Chaos Fortress from the real world and prevent Chaos from having a literal fortress in the Empire the next time an Everchosen swings by.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Language does seem to have tangible magical effects. When Mathilde cursed in Lingua, the Winds reacted. That implies that casting languages are magical in and of themselves in a way that non-casting languages are not. It's still debatable whether the Old One language or Anoqeyån will be better, but they should probably be magical as well.
Arcane Khazalid counts as Runesmith secrets. So this:
(bolding mine) might mean the Runesmiths care a great deal.
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We did take the class, it just turns out the Grey College rituals curriculum is pretty lacking.
We've had this discussion, they only care about sharing Runesmith secrets or being able to derive said secrets from whatever we share. If the use of Arcane Khazalid is sufficiently black-boxed, they won't care.
The Phoenixian
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It looks like there's also a marginal benefit for ritual casting, since one of the ritual crafting complications is "you need to switch to a different language."
Honestly, though, one of the things I expect is lore. Since if different languages are structured in different ways, and have different concepts, associations and modes of thought associated with them that highlights how that culture saw the world. Plus the added prospect of having technical concepts bound up in the tongue, (for example, it's possible the tongue of the Old Ones uses the same word for "sun" as it does for "star" or differentiates the two with a prefix/suffix for "sun") though the latter, and especially it's completeness, depends greatly on available sources.
This topic has already undergone discussion previously on what they may care for or not with Pickle for this. Anything which is based on the secrets learned is usable as long as long we meet the criteria below. If it meets the following criteria they don't care. If it doesn't , then they will care.
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Parabola
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Remind me, regarding the Phoenix Crown, can we actually still study it now that we are considered a dwarf and broke the favor system?
We are no longer a curious Umgi that would be looking at something in recompense for services to the Karaz Ankor, but a dwarf who would be asking to look at an old reminder of a very terrible war.
Is that something we can actually do, even by bribing our resident Runelords with AV to put in a good word for us? Maybe it is, because we're still a Loremaster? I'm really unsure.
We are no longer a curious Umgi that would be looking at something in recompense for services to the Karaz Ankor, but a dwarf who would be asking to look at an old reminder of a very terrible war.
Is that something we can actually do, even by bribing our resident Runelords with AV to put in a good word for us? Maybe it is, because we're still a Loremaster? I'm really unsure.
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The posibility of having to answer that question is one more reason Thorgrim is secretly terrified by the prospect of Mathilde visiting again.
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Either it's free, if we can justify that it would benefit the Karaz Ankor (which I don't think is the case), or we need Boons.
I don't think we have evidence for spellcasting directly, specially since we haven't learn a more magical language than what we know yet, but it's extremely likely it'll help us, and any othe Magister from the Colleges to help codify spells.
In the same way it'd probably help us to "codify" Windherder and Waaaghbane into books everyone can learn since the main problem usually is finding the words to actually put our intuitive understanding of magic into, well, words.
We can cut out the explicit connections if that's necessary. Unless there's a great deal in common between Arcane Khazalid and Old One script we should be able to launder the knowledge well enough.
Being a Grandmaster in magic stuff makes us uniquely qualified to study the Crown - there's never been a Dawi that could directly interact with the Winds before (well perhaps the Ancestor Gods could but they went away before the WotB).
Mathilde also has multiple - she did unique thing - to use as supporting arguments: from using AV to power Anvils to deciphering Queekish. Her looking at the Crown will decisively determine if it has some undiscovered potential or not.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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Someone was suggesting Finreir might be sent to check things out if Teclis can't come, the surviving member of Teclis group from when he founded the colleges.
He really seems incredibly knowledgeable about the Old Ones.
Having Mathilde pull out the term Silver Ships might surprise him even more than Hatalath. Since he knew the colleges didn't know that.Finreir of Saphery said:
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We already wrote a paper on Waaaghbane, that's what Waaagh and Peace(and the resultant lecture series) was.
dinomannitro6
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and everyone can't learn Windherder either, Boney has said before that while it can be taught, it requires well above average windsight to be used.
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Caught back up after a year, so glad the apparition thing is finally happening!
Caught back up after a year, so glad the apparition thing is finally happening!
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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The Dwarfs don't care if it can do anything though. It's a war prize, not something they care about for its own sake.