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Eike is a capable adult by Empire standards, and by the standards of what she has accomplished. She went off into the middle of swamps and small towns and all sorts of stuff while arranging the charcoal. She's more than capable of fending for herself in a massive trading port.
...okay, you have a point. We are directly and unquestionably responsible for her though... but Boney indicated that this responsibility entails letting the apprentice face appropriate challenges and grow, and never comes without risk. Coddling the apprentice means failing them.

Ouch my modern sensibilities though.
 
Regarding Ranald's assistance for the Apparition binding, I can see two places where he can help; firstly, finding the thing in the first place. The second way he can help, seeing as Mathilde and Johann have done all the tricky stuff, is by aiding the acceptance of the spell, and avoid having Mathilde accused of Demonology.
 
Regarding Ranald's assistance for the Apparition binding, I can see two places where he can help; firstly, finding the thing in the first place. The second way he can help, seeing as Mathilde and Johann have done all the tricky stuff, is by aiding the acceptance of the spell, and avoid having Mathilde accused of Demonology.

Since we voted to staple this thing onto a legend and he is literally a warp god he could have helped with that making the spell broadly more controllable.
 
So a fun little thing just got dropped in Total War that is relevant to us. Basically they revealed the new DLC and with it another dragon sibling, this one the spy master sibling.

But more relevant is the Onyx Crow-men, which are apparently a more Ulgu based version of the Terracotta Sentinels. Apparently they "always sense lies, feel no compassion or fear and are drawn to evil magic like magpies to silver" which sounds like an Apparition to me.
 
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So a fun little thing just got dropped in Total War that is relevant to us. Basically they revealed the new DLC and with it another dragon sibling, this one the spy master sibling.

But more relevant is the Onyx Crow-men, which are apparently a more Ulgu based version of the Terracotta Sentinels. Apparently they "always sense lies, feel no compassion or fear and are drawn to evil magic like magpies to silver" which sounds like an Apparition to me.
That actually sounds like Hysh to me.
 
I count three reasons it's impossible and three reasons why you shouldn't even if you could.

1. The sword is connected to the Rider.
2. The sword would have to pass through the body of the Rider to reach the part of it that connects to Mathilde's soul.
3. The Rider does not have a level of intelligence that makes it capable of learning a sword style.

1. If the Apparition gets loose after being taught that technique it would be a horrific menace to the Wizards of the Old World.
2. If the Apparition gets loose and then gets caught by someone else, they could reverse-engineer the sword style from it.
3. The Apparition's less-skilful application of the sword style would mean much more people would be able to survive it and work on figuring out a counter to it.
1.2. Part of the binding process is customization, make the part of the rider connected to Mathilde's soul the hand. The Dämmerlichtreiter is Van Hals metaphorical right hand, the apparition is Mathilde's metaphorical hand, it is cast using Mathilde's right hand. + Ranald coin
3. Using Mathilde's knowledge the same way Wolf does. Is there at least one magister with some fine apparition control, like bite here, use paw like this? It's called an ornerier familiar and familiars can do this, and Mathilde has the control. Use that and expand + Dämmerlichtreiter + coin + crit.
1. ^ Work with it to use Mathilde's knowledge. The things this would be used on are possibly greater threats. Any wizard facing this in melee is already fucked.
2. ^^ The same could be said for all of our other creations, ROW could let the chaos hordes pour south much easier, MAP could lead to unprecedented control over enemy armies, MMM could do all sorts of insidious shit.
3. If the enemies of the empire have to spend time learning to counter Mathilde instead of one of the million other threats, that is a bigger victory than any spellcraft.
This goes from an esoteric technique that a single mage and a few dwarfs can use to a terror on every battlefield the grey order enters. I'd take that any day. We lose the element of surprise for a single technique in exchange for sooooooo many positive tradeoffs. Every orc, goblin, fimir, chaos whatever isn't going to get that training, and if they do it will currently only negatively affect Mathilde's ability to personally beat them in a sword fight. Forcing the enemy to learn a skill with literally no other applications instead of one that would allow them to better fight literally only Mathilde as opposed to any and everyone else is a Huge Win. Not using knowledge is the same as not having it (Pretend that was a quote from someone universally liked.) We have used the sword about a dozen times, this spell would have it used by people who fight a dozen battles a week!

Not doing this if we can is redonkulous!

Future application of a partial summoning of only the sword from Mathilde's hand? Or another in the order from a mastery?

Edit: I meant to put this somewhere, but couldn't find a place: Fear and respect useful for anyone, weaponizable for Mathilde, possibly more useful than the actual technique in any not murder situation.

Tldr: I think giving the apparition guard bypass is possible unless its a game balance thing (would understand, though it would make me cry one gangster tear at the loss of cool potential). Giving our apparition (my vote is to name it Jerry) and by extension the entire grey order who uses this spell guard bypass:
- People can learn how to counter it more easily and know they might need to.
+ The grey order bypassing the guards of the elite enemies of the empire will force them to have to learn a skill only useful in countering a single swordswoman.
 
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I am going to preemptively suggest that Mathilde doesn't stab her soul with an Apparition's sword.

That said making deadlier Apparitions does seem like a good idea if possible. Even if they get free - that just means wizards will be encouraged to stay sharp!
 
1.2. Part of the binding process is customization, make the part of the rider connected to Mathilde's soul the hand. The Dämmerlichtreiter is Van Hals metaphorical right hand, the apparition is Mathilde's metaphorical hand, it is cast using Mathilde's right hand. + Ranald coin
3. Using Mathilde's knowledge the same way Wolf does. Is there at least one magister with some fine apparition control, like bite here, use paw like this? It's called an ornerier familiar and familiars can do this, and Mathilde has the control. Use that and expand + Dämmerlichtreiter + coin.
1. ^ Work with it to use Mathilde's knowledge. The things this would be used on are possibly greater threats. Any wizard facing this in melee is already fucked.
2. ^^ The same could be said for all of our other creations, ROW could let the chaos hordes pour south much easier, MAP could lead to unprecedented control over enemy armies, MMM could do all sorts of insidious shit.
3. If the enemies of the empire have to spend time learning to counter Mathilde instead of one of the million other threats, that is a bigger victory than any spellcraft.
This goes from an esoteric technique that a single mage and a few dwarfs can use to a terror on every battlefield the grey order enters. I'd take that any day. We lose the element of surprise for a single technique in exchange for sooooooo many positive tradeoffs. Every orc, goblin, fimir, chaos whatever isn't going to get that training, and if they do it will currently only negatively affect Mathilde's ability to personally beat them in a sword fight. Forcing the enemy to learn a skill with literally no other applications instead of one that would allow them to better fight literally only Mathilde as opposed to any and everyone else is a Huge Win. Not using knowledge is the same as not having it (Pretend that was a quote from someone universally liked.) We have used the sword about a dozen times, this spell would have it used by people who fight a dozen battles a week!

Not doing this if we can is redonkulous!

Future application of a partial summoning of only the sword from Mathilde's hand? Or another in the order from a mastery?

Tldr: I think giving the apparition guard bypass is possible unless its a game balance thing (would understand, though it would make me cry one gangster tear at the loss of cool potential). Giving our apparition (my vote is to name it Jerry) and by extension the entire grey order who uses this spell guard bypass:
- People can learn how to counter it more easily and know they might need to.
+ The grey order bypassing the guards of the elite enemies of the empire will force them to have to.
If Boney says it's impossible to do it and it'd be recklessly dumb if we could, please take him at his word.
 
1.2. Part of the binding process is customization, make the part of the rider connected to Mathilde's soul the hand. The Dämmerlichtreiter is Van Hals metaphorical right hand, the apparition is Mathilde's metaphorical hand, it is cast using Mathilde's right hand. + Ranald coin
3. Using Mathilde's knowledge the same way Wolf does. Is there at least one magister with some fine apparition control, like bite here, use paw like this? It's called an ornerier familiar and familiars can do this, and Mathilde has the control. Use that and expand + Dämmerlichtreiter + coin.
1. ^ Work with it to use Mathilde's knowledge. The things this would be used on are possibly greater threats. Any wizard facing this in melee is already fucked.
2. ^^ The same could be said for all of our other creations, ROW could let the chaos hordes pour south much easier, MAP could lead to unprecedented control over enemy armies, MMM could do all sorts of insidious shit.
3. If the enemies of the empire have to spend time learning to counter Mathilde instead of one of the million other threats, that is a bigger victory than any spellcraft.
This goes from an esoteric technique that a single mage and a few dwarfs can use to a terror on every battlefield the grey order enters. I'd take that any day. We lose the element of surprise for a single technique in exchange for sooooooo many positive tradeoffs. Every orc, goblin, fimir, chaos whatever isn't going to get that training, and if they do it will currently only negatively affect Mathilde's ability to personally beat them in a sword fight. Forcing the enemy to learn a skill with literally no other applications instead of one that would allow them to better fight literally only Mathilde as opposed to any and everyone else is a Huge Win. Not using knowledge is the same as not having it (Pretend that was a quote from someone universally liked.) We have used the sword about a dozen times, this spell would have it used by people who fight a dozen battles a week!

Not doing this if we can is redonkulous!

Future application of a partial summoning of only the sword from Mathilde's hand? Or another in the order from a mastery?

Tldr: I think giving the apparition guard bypass is possible unless its a game balance thing (would understand, though it would make me cry one gangster tear at the loss of cool potential). Giving our apparition (my vote is to name it Jerry) and by extension the entire grey order who uses this spell guard bypass:
- People can learn how to counter it more easily and know they might need to.
+ The grey order bypassing the guards of the elite enemies of the empire will force them to have to learn a skill only useful in countering a single swordswoman.

When the GM tells you there are three reasons something does not work and three reasons why you would not want it to work that is really not an invitation to press on the matter.
 
So a fun little thing just got dropped in Total War that is relevant to us. Basically they revealed the new DLC and with it another dragon sibling, this one the spy master sibling.

But more relevant is the Onyx Crow-men, which are apparently a more Ulgu based version of the Terracotta Sentinels. Apparently they "always sense lies, feel no compassion or fear and are drawn to evil magic like magpies to silver" which sounds like an Apparition to me.
One thing I did not expect-

At the gable edge, the Crowman dropped to his haunches, his brethren tucking themselves in amongst the terracotta beasts decorating the roof ridge. The Onyx Crowmen were barely half the height of a Cathayan man, but they were as strange as they were terrifying. Their backward-jointed legs were clad in black silk pantaloons. The instruments of silent murder glittered dully from their belts. Their man-like upper bodies were covered in black feathers. Their beaks were long and hard.
They're like, Halfling-sized. Chibi Crowmen.

Though as far as the text says, they're created by Yin wizards. The 4 Winds that make up Yin are Wood (Ghur), Metal (Chamon), Spirit (Shyish), and Darkness (Ulgu).
 
Wolf doesn't. Not really. He has connection to our emotions but as far as I know he has to read his own books.

Also, a bound Apparition is not a Familiar. The only similarity is there being a tether to the soul of some kind.
Yeah, it's a whole different thing. IIRC, Boney has said that the snek could have been a familiar if we'd trapped it, but we could never use apparition binding on it.

Sidenote, it always seemed strange to me that the Asp eats Ulgu. From the description of hunting artists, I'd have guessed Azyr and Hysh.
 
One thing I did not expect-


They're like, Halfling-sized. Chibi Crowmen.

Though as far as the text says, they're created by Yin wizards. The 4 Winds that make up Yin are Wood (Ghur), Metal (Chamon), Spirit (Shyish), and Darkness (Ulgu).
If we ever go the Cathey I'd like to see what we can learn about them, since I'd love to take the technique and adapt it to some kind of cat based construct.
 
Huh. Topic change, but-
The Mk 3 incorporates a redesigned breech that reduces the chance of misfire and imparts more impetus onto the projectile, allowing for more killing power and a flatter trajectory.
I think the Mk 3 Repeater is a new entry? I think the dwarf gunsmith helped them develop the Mk 2, which was some time ago.
In it are the several varieties of Skaven firearm and several attempts at incorporating elements of their design, as a breech capable of containing and directing the force of warpstone-laced blackpowder reliably enough for Skaven would be capable of the same for regular blackpowder reliably enough for humans.
The Mk 3 sounds very much like the result of us pointing the Gold College reverse-engineers improved breech at the Blutdorf factory.
 
Huh. Topic change, but-

I think the Mk 3 Repeater is a new entry? I think the dwarf gunsmith helped them develop the Mk 2, which was some time ago.

The Mk 3 sounds very much like the result of us pointing the Gold College reverse-engineers improved breech at the Blutdorf factory.

Yeah, I noticed that got added to the Organisations threadmark shortly after the Gold College update, but, uh, forgot to mention it. Blutdorf is now producing guns using reverse engineered skaven tech, which is neat, and the Golds have found a reliable partner for further weapons development.

The Mk 3 repeater sounds terrifying, when compared to the Empire's typical handguns. They must be getting close to WW1 standards by now.
 
Yeah, I noticed that got added to the Organisations threadmark shortly after the Gold College update, but, uh, forgot to mention it. Blutdorf is now producing guns using reverse engineered skaven tech, which is neat, and the Golds have found a reliable partner for further weapons development.

The Mk 3 repeater sounds terrifying, when compared to the Empire's typical handguns. They must be getting close to WW1 standards by now.
Yeah, though at that point ammo production starts becoming a real issue. IRL, the Haber-Bosch Process was developed around then and solved the issue, but the empire is still pretty far off from that in terms of chemical knowledge.
 
1.2. Part of the binding process is customization, make the part of the rider connected to Mathilde's soul the hand. The Dämmerlichtreiter is Van Hals metaphorical right hand, the apparition is Mathilde's metaphorical hand, it is cast using Mathilde's right hand. + Ranald coin
3. Using Mathilde's knowledge the same way Wolf does. Is there at least one magister with some fine apparition control, like bite here, use paw like this? It's called an ornerier familiar and familiars can do this, and Mathilde has the control. Use that and expand + Dämmerlichtreiter + coin + crit.
1. ^ Work with it to use Mathilde's knowledge. The things this would be used on are possibly greater threats. Any wizard facing this in melee is already fucked.
2. ^^ The same could be said for all of our other creations, ROW could let the chaos hordes pour south much easier, MAP could lead to unprecedented control over enemy armies, MMM could do all sorts of insidious shit.
3. If the enemies of the empire have to spend time learning to counter Mathilde instead of one of the million other threats, that is a bigger victory than any spellcraft.
This goes from an esoteric technique that a single mage and a few dwarfs can use to a terror on every battlefield the grey order enters. I'd take that any day. We lose the element of surprise for a single technique in exchange for sooooooo many positive tradeoffs. Every orc, goblin, fimir, chaos whatever isn't going to get that training, and if they do it will currently only negatively affect Mathilde's ability to personally beat them in a sword fight. Forcing the enemy to learn a skill with literally no other applications instead of one that would allow them to better fight literally only Mathilde as opposed to any and everyone else is a Huge Win. Not using knowledge is the same as not having it (Pretend that was a quote from someone universally liked.) We have used the sword about a dozen times, this spell would have it used by people who fight a dozen battles a week!

Not doing this if we can is redonkulous!

Future application of a partial summoning of only the sword from Mathilde's hand? Or another in the order from a mastery?

Edit: I meant to put this somewhere, but couldn't find a place: Fear and respect useful for anyone, weaponizable for Mathilde, possibly more useful than the actual technique in any not murder situation.

Tldr: I think giving the apparition guard bypass is possible unless its a game balance thing (would understand, though it would make me cry one gangster tear at the loss of cool potential). Giving our apparition (my vote is to name it Jerry) and by extension the entire grey order who uses this spell guard bypass:
- People can learn how to counter it more easily and know they might need to.
+ The grey order bypassing the guards of the elite enemies of the empire will force them to have to learn a skill only useful in countering a single swordswoman.

Please take 'no' for an answer.
 
Yeah, I noticed that got added to the Organisations threadmark shortly after the Gold College update, but, uh, forgot to mention it. Blutdorf is now producing guns using reverse engineered skaven tech, which is neat, and the Golds have found a reliable partner for further weapons development.

The Mk 3 repeater sounds terrifying, when compared to the Empire's typical handguns. They must be getting close to WW1 standards by now.
It'd still be lever-action, so not quite as convenient as the bolt action springfield, but pretty solid. Probably not quite at the level of refinement as the Winchester 1873 and beyond, and it'd still use blackpowder, so… probably around the Winchester 1866? That was the first reliable lever action, which seems to be where the Mk3 Repeater is at.
 
Blackpowder puts a hard limit on how effective you can make guns before cartridges and primers. The Dwarfs probably have both (I think we've seen early waxpaper cartridges from them) but they aren't sharing.
 
Does anyone remember the reference where we found out how long we'd need to know Kragg to find out how he felt about us in the character sheet?
 
Blackpowder puts a hard limit on how effective you can make guns before cartridges and primers. The Dwarfs probably have both (I think we've seen early waxpaper cartridges from them) but they aren't sharing.
The Stirland Repeater's at a weird point, technologically. It came from an understanding of a lot of specific engineering designs from the Dwarves without the full foundation of knowledge, including how to make bullets. Honestly, it's a marvel they managed to get it to work without cartridges in the first place, unless I'm misunderstanding something. There's really no real world comparison for the shot of pre 1800s with the design principles of the mid-to-late 1800s.
 
The Stirland Repeater's at a weird point, technologically. It came from an understanding of a lot of specific engineering designs from the Dwarves without the full foundation of knowledge, including how to make bullets. Honestly, it's a marvel they managed to get it to work without cartridges in the first place, unless I'm misunderstanding something. There's really no real world comparison for the shot of pre 1800s with the design principles of the mid-to-late 1800s.
I believe Boney (after some research) based the Stirland Repeater on the 17th century Kalthoff Repeater
They had two main variants, a cylinder and sliding box breech system (which could up to hold 30+ shots), so perhaps the Mk3 moved from one to the other. Or perhaps the 'Klett' 1652 rotating screw breech, or 1683 Dortlo.
 
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