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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
Anything we get her up to and including dropping 8 Gallons of AV on Thorek and telling him to make the strongest talisman he can for a journey-wizard is legitimate. The college is not going to interfere in the master-apprentice relationship to make it fair to some abstract standard. The question at hand is more what is she likely to need for the trials she will face. I think a healing item, maybe a wind-herded one strikes a good balance.
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I'm given to understand that we can't commission personal runic items for others, they have to earn them themselves. It was brought up when we were like 'maybe we should give Eike a sword with the Rune of the Unknown' a while back.
 
So, this turn we started copying the Grand University of Nuln. Which is very cool, they're going to have books on all kinds of topics, and be a very broad and useful expansion of our library.

Next turn, we have these options to choose from:
Boney said:
Current options: Grand University of Nuln, Aquila Academy of Nuln, Imperial School of Engineers, Imperial Gunnery School, Minor Colleges of Nuln, The Mootland Genealogical Library
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And on top of these, we have the option to ask Vlag for the Fire Spire books. So, we have the question of what the next library we're going to grab from is.

Personally, I'm going to argue in favour of the Fire Spire books.
 
Parabola said:
I'm given to understand that we can't commission personal runic items for others, they have to earn them themselves. It was brought up when we were like 'maybe we should give Eike a sword with the Rune of the Unknown' a while back.
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The last time we asked that our standing was dwarf friend. Right now it is dwarf. I am pretty sure a dwarf can buy a runic item as a gift for others, assuming you will find a runesmith willing to take your order, which we can with AV.
 
So, are we eventually going to build out a vault and a will to hold things for if we die and Eike isn't a magister yet?

Are we planning on deeding our staff, sword, belt and seed to the grey college or to her?

Thinking about legacies. Thinking about 40 being about the middle of life, actuarially.

We didn't find and use legendary equipment, we straight up created it. So each piece is probably going to end up going through the panoplies of a series of legends made so by their power. Like rivers flowing down through time, how do we want to position our assets to flow after us?

Bhranulhune is something to be passed down master to apprentice, I think, since it has to come with the training sword and lessons.

The staff of mistery I want to give back to the college- there's a battlemage with nearly marginal talent and this could make them useful and reliable strategically.

The belt... I kinda want the belt to go to Gretel. In memoriam of our saving her way back when, as a way to make her life as a frontier wizard-warlady safer, as a way to poke her to choose a wizard as a successor. Or maybe not. Idk. If we, have, say, just lost the war against the everchosen and are throwing spite and salting the earth, handing Gretel the belt, the Liber Mortis, and an amethyst orb of sorcery isn't a bad pocket apocalypse.

Ok, better idea, we give it to the imperial prince. Ideally, at that point, the Wizard-Count of Reikland. Having a way to prevent him from burning up of dark magic if he miscasts super publicly would be good for wizards long term. It'll probably make him more willing to fight magically when he leads armies.

The seed... I don't know. Maybe the seed gets planted wherever Mathilde finally dies, or ascends. Leaving behind some great magical plant as a memorial seems like it would be a sort of kindness to Pan?
 
Retrueno said:
Can we copy them though? I thought our scribes only knew Reikspiel and Tilean while it makes more sense for the Fire Spire books to be in Kislevite
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IIRC our scribes learning new languages can happen in the background, but it might be worth a poke at Boney if there's enough doubt on the subject.
 
Glau said:
Thinking about legacies. Thinking about 40 being about the middle of life, actuarially.
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There's wizards considerably older than 80 that are still active. Alaric is one - Melkoth is probably another (though in his case time is wonky).

Mathilde may also benefit from her divine interactions. She may even be subject to the weird slowed aging thing that happened to Felix.
 
The first action for Vlag will be negotiating access, so we could do that whether we had the copying ability or not. That would also let us know what languages were present to prepare for, sure a lot is probably Kislevarin, but who knows, maybe the Lingua Franca of the Fire Spire was Bretonnian.
 
Just had a tought while reading the discussion about giving Eike a magic artifact, how about an item with the rune of "fuck dhar" on it? Would be very useful in a lot of situations.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
I mean, they could have? But Druchii philosophy makes it unlikely IMO. To them, Dhar is the purest and best expression of your will, and to use anything lesser would be a sign you can't hack it with the real stuff. The only exception I could see to that are when a mono-wind would be better. But I don't see them utilising Tongs-style magic.
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Druichi sorceresses learn the mono-Wind lores as well as sorcery (Dhar use).

In fact, by the letter of the law it's only sorcery that Druichii men (and Ghrond trained women) are forbidden to learn, so there couod be be significant use of sub-battle magic mono-Wind lores throughout dark Elf society, just below the level of materiality of the table top game.
 
Alratan said:
In fact, by the letter of the law it's only sorcery that Druichii men (and Ghrond trained women) are forbidden to learn, so there couod be be significant use of sub-battle magic mono-Wind lores throughout dark Elf society, just below the level of materiality of the table top game.
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Or they do actually restrict male Dark Elves from the use of any type of magic and all male Druchii spellcasters are killed or turned into Doomfire Warlocks.

I think either would be a valid interpretation of that part of 8th edition Dark Elves.
 
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Glau said:
Well, yeah. I'm speaking speculatively bc thinking about age, asking the thread and not boney, and offering my own ideas.
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It's weird because the thread's discussed plenty of the individual parts of her legacy before, but putting it all together in the context of making a will right now makes it feel like we're doing the thing that only happens when she dies, before she dies, which is disquieting.
 
Glau said:
Thinking about legacies. Thinking about 40 being about the middle of life, actuarially.
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We have already met wizards that are over 100 years old are still active in the field, Mathilde even muses in the last update how she does not feel any older.
Aging is most likely something we won't need to worry about in this quest.

Colleges generally don't like to give magic items to people that might lose them because it increases chances of those items getting into the hands of our enemies. So Mathilde would need to enchant something for her on her own or with Engrim.

I think windherding something like Substance of Shadow and Boon of Hysh would be pretty good. It would allow her to create a sort of hiding spot and let her heal herself.

I apologize if I repeated something that someone already said, I am at work right now and can only skim through pages.
 
Glau said:
The belt... I kinda want the belt to go to Gretel. In memoriam of our saving her way back when, as a way to make her life as a frontier wizard-warlady safer, as a way to poke her to choose a wizard as a successor. Or maybe not. Idk. If we, have, say, just lost the war against the everchosen and are throwing spite and salting the earth, handing Gretel the belt, the Liber Mortis, and an amethyst orb of sorcery isn't a bad pocket apocalypse.

Ok, better idea, we give it to the imperial prince. Ideally, at that point, the Wizard-Count of Reikland. Having a way to prevent him from burning up of dark magic if he miscasts super publicly would be good for wizards long term. It'll probably make him more willing to fight magically when he leads armies.
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Boney has warned before that you really want to be careful about who you give the Belt of Way-Less-Downsides-to-Studying-Dark-Magic.
 
Mopman43 said:
Or they do actually restrict male Dark Elves from the use of any type of magic and all male Druchii spellcasters are killed or turned into Doomfire Warlocks.

I think either would be a valid interpretation of that part of 8th edition Dark Elves.
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They might. But what it says, if I remember when I checked correctly, is that Druichii men are banded from learning sorcery, and that Sorceresses learn the individual Winds as well as sorcery. It's silent as to whether men and non-Sorceress women can learn to use the individual Winds, and I can find nowhere that it says that magic in general is banned.
 
Alratan said:
They might. But what it says, if I remember when I checked correctly, is that Druichii men are banded from learning sorcery, and that Sorceresses learn the individual Winds as well as sorcery. It's silent as to whether men and non-Sorceress women can learn to use the individual Winds, and I can find nowhere that it says that magic in general is banned.
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7th edition Dark Elves (page 62) says:

male Dark Elf wizards are regarded with disdain, fear, and superstition, and they cannot be admitted to the Dark Covenant.
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If that 'disdain, fear, and superstition' means that there are no public male wizards or any stripe, or if there are but under considerable threat, is up to interpretation in my opinion.
 
Alratan said:
They might. But what it says, if I remember when I checked correctly, is that Druichii men are banded from learning sorcery, and that Sorceresses learn the individual Winds as well as sorcery.
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I think your confusion comes from the fact that Dark Elves call magic casters in general 'Sorcerers/Sorceresses' and call wielding Dhar 'Sorcery', and yes Sorceresses do/can wield elements other than Dhar, but yeah lore generally just says "Male Dark Elf Wizards" not just Sorcerers.
Mopman43 said:
If that 'disdain, fear, and superstition' means that there are no public male wizards or any stripe, or if there are but under considerable threat, is up to interpretation in my opinion.
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Don't they all also have standing bounties on their heads though? So being a publicly practicing male wizard seems like a good way to die.
 
For male dark elf wizards to be treated with 'disdain' implies a certain regularity to their existence, and "can't be admitted to the dark covenant" would be irrelevant if they were also already marked for death.
 
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