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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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BeepSmile said:
This would make me sad if it is true, so can you provide a source for that assertion or am I free to dismiss it as 'baseless and unture because if true, would be sad'?

I have very high standards of evidence on this one, because Wolf is the best big pupper.
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Realms of sorcery describes "either" member of a familiar link getting a debuff from the backlash for a few weeks so he'dprobably be alright. Unless him being a 100 year old wolf without a wizard anymore would be a problem or something.
 
Loltop said:
Coin father
[ ] [ ] [ ] 3 forest of shadows halethan tributary
[ ] Learn was juton
[ ] [ ] [ ] 3 forest of shadows nexus
[ ] Iron orcs
I'm thinking learn the language and do the iron orcs scouting then the next turn WEB-MAT the other six actions in four AP with a free action to keep the research pushing along with one of the all in things or an overwork action added on.
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I think the Forest of Shadow Nexuses only take one combined action? The two Marienburg nexuses are similarly parenthetical, and I can't imagine they'd take two actions rather than one.
 
Gavin Prince said:
There's also the fact that if the Empire keeps its own share of Waystone Power internal, Ulthuan's floatiness becomes that much less stable. I don't know if that alone is enough, but if the Karaz Ankor aren't contributing the full amount, and Kislev aren't, and Athel Loren aren't, and the Empire aren't, and every other polity who figures out the trick aren't...there's a tipping point somewhere.
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and if ulthuan suddenly starts to drop then i dont know how safe the vortex is. and we do definitely need that. we probably can pull some excess off, that shouldn't impact too much but all of it is definitly a bad idea.
 
Abelhelm gave the Liber Mortis to us to break that legacy's hold on his family. I'm disinclined to drop it right back into their laps when we have a perfectly good secure storage location for it.
 
LadySerpentine said:
Abelhelm gave the Liber Mortis to us to break that legacy's hold on his family. I'm disinclined to drop it right back into their laps when we have a perfectly good secure storage location for it.
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It's a secure storage for it, but whoever is made Head Librarian has access to it. The list of people we'd trust with ongoing access, who wouldn't also burn the thing as soon as they discover it's there, is pretty small. Possibly zero.

Maybe it should go to the Verenans.
 
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but do we have any reason to believe binding an apparition to our soul could affect wolf? Familiars are connected to our soul as well right?
 
Glau said:
Cool. I disagree with this entirely.

We are under no obligation to make things fairer to her enemies, just an obligation that she learns to act on her own and depend on herself. Not dying when she *inevitably* miscalculates the odds and gets shanked is what I want to give her, because then she can learn instead of not.
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I've since switched to supporting giving Eike a magic item, but I'm not sure what your response has anything to do with what I said.
 
Raikazin said:
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but do we have any reason to believe binding an apparition to our soul could affect wolf? Familiars are connected to our soul as well right?
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Golds can have familiars in the RPG (created rather than bound), so compatibility would be included in our notes on Gehenna's Hounds. Jades and Ambers can have bound familiars, and Mathilde could check fairly easily if there were known Battle Wizards known to be able to cast their assumed-Apparition-based spells who also have familiars.
 
LadySerpentine said:
Abelhelm gave the Liber Mortis to us to break that legacy's hold on his family. I'm disinclined to drop it right back into their laps when we have a perfectly good secure storage location for it.
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actually he didnt tell us anything about what to do with it.
Boney said:
"In my travelling gear, which should be around here somewhere if the attendants have been doing their job, there's an iron strongbox. It opens to any key as long as the password is spoken: Senthoi. I've faith you'll know what to do with it." You nod, but his eyes have already drifted shut, and you're quick to check his breathing; he's fallen unconscious, rather than just fallen.
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Boney said:
Dame Weber,

If you're reading this, you either succumbed to the temptation inherent in that key I lent you or I've fallen in battle. If the latter, I trust you've avenged me upon whatever entity orchestrated said death.

I once told you that I have children; Anton has the details for contacting them, but should he have fallen also, then the experiment can be considered to have failed; let the Elector Counts choose another to sacrifice to Stirland. Likewise, if they are contacted and they respond with letter and not in person, leave them be. I hope to spend my life in lessening the hold of Sylvania over my line, not to strengthen it.

Your company has been of great value and comfort to me.

Yours,

Elector Count Abelhelm Van Hal

PS. I hope the books I have given you have been enlightening.
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Boney said:
I am now free. You should be too. Tell your Magister this: And then a string of names, dozens long, each with a set of letters next to them - H-W and H-BM are the most common, but some have L and others vC. Most of them are unknown to you, but three leap from the page:
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these are all the last of van hals messages to us.
 
Retrueno said:
Something I've been wondering for a while. In the case the WP ends up being wildly successful does anyone has any idea about what the Empire could use the Waystones beyond draining Dhar. The Karaz-Ankor use it for the Great Works of the Ancestors, Laurelorn for whatever Laurelorn uses it and pretty sure the Ice Witches use it in some way too, so I think it'd be more than fair for the Empire to use it for something too.
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The Empire might be too large and unfocused for a single massive project perhaps multiple smaller ones would work best.

The ultimate snag is Ulthuan.

It might be wiser to just trade the magic with them in exchange for something. They've got a lot of stuff to trade so the Empire could be satisfied.
 
Gavin Prince said:
It's a secure storage for it, but whoever is made Head Librarian has access to it. The list of people we'd trust with ongoing access, who wouldn't also burn the thing as soon as they discover it's there, is pretty small. Possibly zero.

Maybe it should go to the Verenans.
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Arguably, we could leave the headship and the Liber Mortis to Eike. Establishing our own legacy of custodianship does come with some problems, but at least if we did so it wouldn't be a reflection of familial shame, while also not resulting in something that we have strong evidence can be turned to good ends by moral and trustworthy people being burned.
 
LadySerpentine said:
Arguably, we could leave the headship and the Liber Mortis to Eike. Establishing our own legacy of custodianship does come with some problems, but at least if we did so it wouldn't be a reflection of familial shame, while also not resulting in something that we have strong evidence can be turned to good ends by moral and trustworthy people being burned.
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the church of sigmar has a copy if its needed. so the idea we need to keep it to preserve for future generations isnt as valid. and sylvania is pretty much cleansed. the family shame is about as gone as its going to get.
 
Tobtorp said:
actually he didnt tell us anything about what to do with it.
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"I hope to spend my life in lessening the hold of Sylvania over my line, not to strengthen it." seems fairly suggestive of his wishes in that regard, though.

Tobtorp said:
the church of sigmar has a copy if its needed. so the idea we need to keep it to preserve for future generations isnt as valid. and sylvania is pretty much cleansed. the family shame is about as gone as its going to get.
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I believe that's a redacted version. You could argue that that's good enough, but I think there are benefits to keeping this one around.

As for the family shame, yes, and I'd like to keep it that way rather than dropping a reminder back in their laps like a cat dragging in an undead rat.
 
Tobtorp said:
the church of sigmar has a copy if its needed.
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Mathilde, with her noted Disdain for Sigmar and chafing at Sigmarite institutions in particular, may personally prefer there be a backup option. I know we can dictate exactly how her effects are distributed, but verisimilitude is a factor I consider worth including in decisions. Especially her final ones.
 
Retrueno said:
Can we copy them though? I thought our scribes only knew Reikspiel and Tilean while it makes more sense for the Fire Spire books to be in Kislevite
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There's a decent chance they just give us the books outright, especially if we expend some of our boon. It depends on how they feel about the property rights of dead humans - it's not like dwarves have much use for magic knowledge.

Zero Gravitas said:
The Empire might be too large and unfocused for a single massive project perhaps multiple smaller ones would work best.

The ultimate snag is Ulthuan.

It might be wiser to just trade the magic with them in exchange for something. They've got a lot of stuff to trade so the Empire could be satisfied.
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I think we can probably expend quite a lot of magic before we start worrying about Ulthuan's buoyancy, especially if we strengthen the network further with repairs. Having said that, it'd be nice if Ulthuan paid something for a continent's worth of magic, as they aren't exactly super friendly with the Empire.
 
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LadySerpentine said:
believe that's a redacted version. You could argue that that's good enough, but I think there are benefits to keeping this one around.
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Afaik it's a full copy because the grand Theogebiet used the second secret of Dhar to completely destroy a skeleton army marching on altdorf.
Gavin Prince said:
Mathilde, with her noted Disdain for Sigmar and chafing at Sigmarite institutions in particular, may personally prefer there be a backup option. I know we can dictate exactly how her effects are distributed, but verisimilitude is a factor I consider worth including in decisions. Especially her final ones.
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Personally it is too tempting a target to be kept with any wizards. Much too tempting. We maybe could give it to belegar but honestly she wouldn't know what to do with it and it would just lay forgotten in a vault.
 
Andres said:
I've since switched to supporting giving Eike a magic item, but I'm not sure what your response has anything to do with what I said.
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Appreciate you switching, and only the line about disagreeing was meant to apply. I could have been clearer about that, apologies.
 
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Whoever we give the Liber Mortis to, it should be one person. It's thr bedt way to keep it secret yet potentially usable in an emergency.
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I vote that we give the Libre Mortis to Egrimm.
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All jokes aside, while we've got a fairly good read on him, I wouldn't trust anyone with the Liber Mortis unless we've learned all of their big important secrets first. And I feel like Egrimm has some kind of personal secret that he, rightly or not, isn't willing to share with us.
 
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