Mopman43
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I really don't think there's anybody arguing that we should give her the Seed.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Yes, this is what it does:
Candle of Cleansing Radiance: Enchanted with Boon of Hysh. Cures disease, purges poison, and heals injuries over a few minutes. Can be recharged by light, meditation, or prayer.
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That just shows a lack of imagination and ability to look past first order effects on their part. Make sure the first people testing it don't get poisoned by your tainted provisions and you could use the Boon of Hysh to lay low an army while sowing internal discord because it can't be the food, they checked for that.
It might not be worth it to use it to that purpose under any but the most contrived of circumstances, but I trust the Grey Order to be at least as twisty in their thinking as me to find possibilities.
The limited number of charges means you would struggle to use it at a level that would be statistically relevant against an army. If you are planning to poison hundreds you would have to spare tend to sell it and then there are the logistical issues in actually getting the thing in place near all the poisoned people you do not want to suffer ill effects, the range of it is not that high and it is light... kind of noticeable.
The most straightforward way to use it for less than pure ends is the way you use any antidote. Poison a prisoner and then tell him you will only heal him if he talks, which is only a more exotic and marginally more impressive way to threatening someone with death
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The most straightforward way to weaponise it is to use it as a weapon. Beat them to death with your magic candlestick!
It works in Clue, apparently.
I think it may be too fragile for that actually, we were told we could put it in saddlebags... carefully wrapped.
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Specifically, a padded pouch.
Mathilde's saddlebags got retconned in the Chaos Wastes
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Well if there's timey-wimey shenanigans that retroactively affect reality, that's the place that they're gonna happen.Mathilde's saddlebags got retconned in the Chaos Wastes
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I'm in favor of giving Eike a basic magic item item when she goes journeying. Nothing too extravagant that'll have people complaining about the point of the journey or raising expectations unreasonably, but an equivalent to the doomfire ring seems entirely reasonable.
I'm against it being a healing item mostly for out of character aesthetic reasons. It's just kind of boring, and doesn't really fit as either a grey college thing or a Mathilde personally thing. Give her like an invisibility item or an item with a single good rune struck in it (but space for two more) or something. I'd be partial to a good sturdy ranger's cloak in terms of form factor.
I'm against it being a healing item mostly for out of character aesthetic reasons. It's just kind of boring, and doesn't really fit as either a grey college thing or a Mathilde personally thing. Give her like an invisibility item or an item with a single good rune struck in it (but space for two more) or something. I'd be partial to a good sturdy ranger's cloak in terms of form factor.
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I know that this can canonically be done. It's how the Dwarf's Axe in Warhammer Quest works as you level, and (for better sources) nothing in Realms of Sorcery or other WHFRP materials speaks against it. But it does seem weird for a Runesmith to leave a work "unfinished" like this, give it away, and then get the owner to bring it back just a few months or years later to tinker with it more.
The weird feeling is probably just an artefact of this quest having Mathilde's runesmith interactions be mostly with those already at the peak of the craft—Kragg and Thorek. Apprentices work under a slightly more lax set of rules.
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What sort of Beardling doesn't finish their runes? Need @soulcake to come give some proper dwarven grumbling over that nonsense.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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I mean, they could have? But Druchii philosophy makes it unlikely IMO. To them, Dhar is the purest and best expression of your will, and to use anything lesser would be a sign you can't hack it with the real stuff. The only exception I could see to that are when a mono-wind would be better. But I don't see them utilising Tongs-style magic.
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I don't particularly want to stake out a position in the healing item for Eike debate, but it has made me curious about something.
- If the Bright Magic Cauterize is used to close a wound, can it be later healed with some other magic?
- Does it leave behind residual Aqshy in the wound that would form Dhar if another spell was used to heal the wound, either Ghyran, or Hysh, or Divine magic?
- If it does form Dhar, does that prevent the healing spell from working, or could the Dhar be acceptable as an unfortunate side effect? I suspect it might be ok, because Dhar is considered an unfortunate side effect if the seed has to heal a head wound for Mathilde, and interacts with the Ulgu in her brain.
- I am not that familiar with the RPG rules, so I don't know what the limitations are on how quickly healing magic has to be used. Can it be used to finish healing wounds that are already partially healed? Is there healing magic to remove scars?
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
I passed this in my reread a little while ago, and I just want to take a minute to tell you how much this section has stuck with me since I first read it back in 2019. This is in my head so thoroughly, even outside of the context of this quest.
I think about these two sentences constantly. I compare basically every schemer and plotter and opportunist and manipulator in fiction I see against this.
10/10, great stuff.
On a similar note
I know this omake was forever ago, but this metaphor has stayed with me crystal clear. Every time I think about the K8P campaign, I think of Mattie as a blacksmith, forging war into victory.
Great job.
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So the calculation to be done is whether the missions that she would take without the candle are dangerous enough that she is more likely to die than if she took slightly riskier missions with the candle.
I think yes. There's no safe journey, otherwise it wouldn't matter how easy we made it for her.
Cool. I disagree with this entirely.
We are under no obligation to make things fairer to her enemies, just an obligation that she learns to act on her own and depend on herself. Not dying when she *inevitably* miscalculates the odds and gets shanked is what I want to give her, because then she can learn instead of not.
Consider the following: Mathilde's journeying was to be an advisor to an elector, which is theoretically the safest job any wizard can get.
In her first year of the job, she was fist fighting zombies, raiding tombs, and kidnapping dukes.
All jobs Eike might take on her journeying are dangerous. Sure, some jobs are more dangerous than others, but there are no safe jobs.
Giving Eike a magic item isn't about raising her survivability ceiling , but her survivability floor.
In her first year of the job, she was fist fighting zombies, raiding tombs, and kidnapping dukes.
All jobs Eike might take on her journeying are dangerous. Sure, some jobs are more dangerous than others, but there are no safe jobs.
Giving Eike a magic item isn't about raising her survivability ceiling , but her survivability floor.
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Also her last year of the job where some kind of Magical Healing Candle or something like that would have been Real Useful in the absence of Sigmar's Light
. (Lighting conditions in Sylvania are just terrible, how's a wizard supposed to read!?)
Not even close? Even disregarding the additional risks Mathilde took on that weren't necessary as part of her job it was an incredibly risky posting.
There are jobs with basically no risk available.
Stuff like this is the actual level of safety available for Journeying if they don't want to take risks.
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Advisor to an elector.
Of Stirland.
Number how many in past generation or so?
About to start a war with the vampires.
With a council mostly either compromised or inept (as far as anyone could tell)
Whose spy master was working for the Lamian vampires.
Yeah...
There are many words i could describe that job with.
Safe would not be among them.
Of Stirland.
Number how many in past generation or so?
About to start a war with the vampires.
With a council mostly either compromised or inept (as far as anyone could tell)
Whose spy master was working for the Lamian vampires.
Yeah...
There are many words i could describe that job with.
Safe would not be among them.
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Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
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More to the point, I doubt Eike will be satisfied with staying in a cushy job and not go looking for some adventure when she's clearly been training far more than Mathilde ever did as an Apprentice.
I will restate that it wouldn't be a terrible idea for her to get an enchanted item on the level of a Doomfire Ring.
I will restate that it wouldn't be a terrible idea for her to get an enchanted item on the level of a Doomfire Ring.
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Honestly I think the Candle works fine as a gift. Mathilde's seen little use of it, but it's a fine Journeyman-level item with little potential for abuse. Boon of Hysh is as strong as you can get short of Battle Magic and the latter would be a bit of a stretch.
That, or including Eike on a Windherding enchantment of her own once she finishes Sounds for Magic 3 and has some time to practise the lessons we're buying for her this turn. Anything she makes herself, even under our supervision, is completely valid as an item to take with her.
That, or including Eike on a Windherding enchantment of her own once she finishes Sounds for Magic 3 and has some time to practise the lessons we're buying for her this turn. Anything she makes herself, even under our supervision, is completely valid as an item to take with her.
Anything we get her up to and including dropping 8 Gallons of AV on Thorek and telling him to make the strongest talisman he can for a journey-wizard is legitimate. The college is not going to interfere in the master-apprentice relationship to make it fair to some abstract standard. The question at hand is more what is she likely to need for the trials she will face. I think a healing item, maybe a wind-herded one strikes a good balance.
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The candle and maybe some armored robes or a sword with the Rune of the Unknown all seem like very solid gifts. Anything beyond that is probably excessive, but all those are useful, aid survivability immensely without being battle magic level or otherwise ful-on cheating, and in the case of the sword and candle aren't easy to duplicate with her spells.
That seems like a happy medium.
That seems like a happy medium.