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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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@BoneyM

Could we Challenge the Drogre's?

Make it a Gamble and have them follow Ranald instead of the Chaos Gods?

They only joined Chaos because they were going extinct and wanted to survive and keep fighting.

Some Drogre's can be quite honourable.....
 
[X] Remain in Karak Eight Peaks, either in the employ of Belegar or pursuing your research.


[X] Give them away...
- [X] To the Amber College

[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] Try to follow Johann, to see what he's getting up to.
[X] Join Karak Azul as they raid and scout in force the other portions of the Karak.
 
TheOmnimercurial said:
@BoneyM

Could we Challenge the Drogre's?

Make it a Gamble and have them follow Ranald instead of the Chaos Gods?

They only joined Chaos because they were going extinct and wanted to survive and keep fighting.

Some Drogre's can be quite honourable.....
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I'm pretty sure they did that initially, but to my understanding most of them nowadays have been born into it or lived it long enough they choose it willingly.
 
DarkLight140 said:
@BoneyM, can you comment on how much Mathilde will or won't tell the Colleges if we do not take this option, and anticipated effects from her point of view? It seems like a very serious decision that could strongly affect her future and standing all out of proportion to its apparent importance on this list of votes.
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By default she'll make a report of the happenings of the Expedition and the current condition of Karak Eight Peaks. Geopolitical insight will only be given if the option to betray the confidences of her newfound friends is selected.

TheOmnimercurial said:
@BoneyM

Could we Challenge the Drogre's?

Make it a Gamble and have them follow Ranald instead of the Chaos Gods?

They only joined Chaos because they were going extinct and wanted to survive and keep fighting.

Some Drogre's can be quite honourable.....
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You cannot redeem a creature that has been sworn to chaos longer than human civilization has existed just by punching it until it becomes your friend.
 
DarkLight140 said:
This is... if we care about our standing in the Grey College, I suspect it's basically the most important thing that we could do. Mathilde's massive stack of dwarf favor is mostly invisible to them right now; they have plenty of evidence of how the dwarf appreciation for commanders/heroes who assist them is expressed, but that doesn't mean they really understand the scale of the dwarf rep she earned through this expedition and how significant it is.

She earned trust. She's the closest thing that the Colleges have ever had to an insider in the Dwarven Empire, and she can near-trivially learn or accomplish things that any other human living in the Empire would find utterly impossible. She can hold a casual conversation about topics that would make them normally clam up, she can buy almost anything they make, she can fill up her libraries with their lore, she can get dwarf permission to invest entire organizations with their precious, closely-held expertise.

But do the Colleges realize that? Unless she actively deploys these capabilities there's no evidence that they exist. Mathilde hasn't told anyone that she is now the top dwarfplomat in the Empire, or that if they really, really need rare dwarf knowledge of waystones or surveying or historical conflicts with the skaven she's got a line to that information (and will trade the Dwarf Favor it costs her for College Favor at a 1:5 ratio because she's not about to undersell her expertise).

Making a full report on everything she knows about the Karax Ankor's internal politics will be a conclusive demonstration of her professional expertise as a diplomat and ambassador between man and dwarf, decisively proving the extent of her skills by showing that she has successfully gathered insights that no one has been able to access before (unless of course I'm wrong and there are drunken dwarf exiles in the Empire's cities who complain about this in detail all the time, in which case I'll feel very silly). It'll be proof, as well, that the Empire strongly benefits from having Magister Weber down in Karak Eight Peaks doing her thing and that they should leave her there, unless perhaps there is a major diplomatic incident with a dwarf hold in which case they will know "namedrop Magister Weber and send a messenger to get her ASAP, she'll be able to sort this out without bloodshed" is a viable strategy. And these are important matters which help prove Magister Lord worthiness, to boot.

But if we don't make a full report... what do we say? How much do the Colleges know about what our capabilities are in this arena? They will never know to call on Mathilde's unique field of expertise, and her staying in Karak Eight Peaks will feel like a much less valuable posting, a useful diplomatic thing but not the stunning coup on the part of the Empire's intelligence that they could be.

@BoneyM, can you comment on how much Mathilde will or won't tell the Colleges if we do not take this option, and anticipated effects from her point of view? It seems like a very serious decision that could strongly affect her future and standing all out of proportion to its apparent importance on this list of votes.
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That's, not wrong, but being a double agent essentially is how you're wording it, and I'm not comfortable with that. Again.

Becoming a spymaster is how we can show we're a big thing.
 
[X] Remain in Karak Eight Peaks, either in the employ of Belegar or pursuing your research.
[X] Keep them to be hatched.

[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends, and you'll be practically next door in Altdorf. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
[X] Make a full report on the geopolitical troubles among the Dwarven Empire, even though some of it was said to you in confidence.
[X] You've been out of touch for a while. Linger in Altdorf after you visit the College and catch up with what's been happening in the Empire.
[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
 
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[X] Remain in Karak Eight Peaks, either in the employ of Belegar or pursuing your research.
[X] Give them away...
- [X] To the Amber College

[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Join Karak Azul as they raid and scout in force the other portions of the Karak.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
@BoneyM

Is the Link of Psyche Familiar ability one that's available in quest?





Yes, but being a double agent is sort of what being a Grey Magister is all about and sort of the point of this quest.
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Hmm, I don't truthfully see the point of the quest being that. I see it as one of questioning and weighing your loyalties to determine which one's rate higher than others.

When we went to Abelhelm we did the double agent thing under duress, but were extremely attached and loyal to him within the first couple of turns. Given we're not under duress it quite severely alters the context of the choice for me to the point I do not want to do it.
 
BoneyM said:
Third, the paper on the Waaagh energy is as terrible as you had feared, and with your own understanding of it continuing to elude anything that can be expressed with Reikspiel, all you can do is consign it to the flames as Maximilian nods in solemn agreement.
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https://xkcd.com/1994/

Seems Maximilian is of one mind with Mathilde on this lol. "This is a piece of shit, and it's already taken too long... Fuck it! Into the fire it goes."

Other than that though... This is actually some high quality material there!

The Runecraft and Anvil had high-quality observations (107, 77 / 107 (should be 108), 71) and Dictation was 96 and 115. And when it came time to write, they came out at 93 and 85.

Dragon Ogres had a 99 and an 81 for material; a 64 for Dictation (eh, could be worse) and a 97 on the final paper.

I'm a bit confused why there was both "dictating a paper" and "writing a paper" rolls? I mean, I thought the "Dictating a Paper" would be the rolls for Mathilde getting others to write it, but... then there were actual paper-writing rolls. I guess those Dictating a Paper rolls were for Mathilde to try to coordinate everybody's paper-writing efforts and put things together, before getting down to writing a paper about it all?

Am glad to see that they all generally ended up high. The paper dictating and paper writing roles. And our contributions to the Anvils were pretty key! Good material, dictation, and we ended up being the one to write it -- and it came out at an 85. That's good.

We do not speak of the Waaagh paper. ... But at least maybe the Amber Wizards' observations and notes will come in handy.
BoneyM said:
[Grey insight: 98+10(Windreader)=107.]
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Anvil one. Should be 108.
BoneyM said:
[Gold insight: 62+10(Johann's notes)=71.]
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Waaagh one. Should be 72.
 
[x] Return to the Empire, either to seek employ there or to return to your holdings in Stirland.
[x] Keep them to be hatched.


[x] All this time away has made you miss your friends, and you'll be practically next door in Altdorf. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
[x] You've been out of touch for a while. Linger in Altdorf after you visit the College and catch up with what's been happening in the Empire.
[x] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
 
BoneyM said:
By default she'll make a report of the happenings of the Expedition and the current condition of Karak Eight Peaks. Geopolitical insight will only be given if the option to betray the confidences of her newfound friends is selected.
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As a point of clraification, would this report by nature include what we 'learned' about Chaos Dwarfs? Or just the stuff about the rift between Belegar and the high King and all the ways the various factions therein seem to be shaking out?
 
[X] Remain in Karak Eight Peaks, either in the employ of Belegar or pursuing your research.


[X] Give them away...
- [X] To the Amber College

[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] Try to follow Johann, to see what he's getting up to.
[X] Join Karak Azul as they raid and scout in force the other portions of the Karak.
 
Garlak said:
I'm a bit confused why there was both "dictating a paper" and "writing a paper" rolls? I mean, I thought the "Dictating a Paper" would be the rolls for Mathilde getting others to write it, but... then there were actual paper-writing rolls. I guess those Dictating a Paper rolls were for Mathilde to try to coordinate everybody's paper-writing efforts and put things together, before getting down to writing a paper about it all?
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Mathilde boiled down the discussion into the salient points and had Maximilian then try to convert those points into an entire formal paper.

CuttleFish2.0 said:
As a point of clraification, would this report by nature include what we 'learned' about Chaos Dwarfs? Or just the stuff about the rift between Belegar and the high King and all the ways the various factions therein seem to be shaking out?
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The Chaos Dwarf stuff will be reported without a named source.
 
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BoneyM said:
Mathilde boiled down the discussion into the salient points and had Maximilian then try to convert those points into an entire formal paper.
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I am both extremely amused and yet incredibly envious that the Gold college can cheat at writing academic papers with their spells. :V
 
[X] Remain in Karak Eight Peaks, either in the employ of Belegar or pursuing your research.

[X] Give them away...
- [X] To the Amber College

[X] Speak with King Belegar and King Kazador about the relationships and apparent rifts between Dwarfholds.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] Join Karak Azul as they raid and scout in force the other portions of the Karak.
 
[X] Remain in Karak Eight Peaks, either in the employ of Belegar or pursuing your research.

[ X] Give them away...
- [X ] To the Amber College

[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
This suggests a future assisting Karak Eight Peaks with its reconquest, as a Spymaster focused on threats within the Karak.

[X] Try to follow Johann, to see what he's getting up to.
This suggests a future assisting Karak Eight Peaks with its reconquest, as a Spymaster focused on threats within the Karak.

[X] Join Karak Azul as they raid and scout in force the other portions of the Karak.

[X] Though your future relationship with the spiders is still unknown, they do appear to be a new species and you do have a number of corpses available. Have Esbern and Seija help you autopsy the creatures for a paper.

[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
 
[X] Remain in Karak Eight Peaks, either in the employ of Belegar or pursuing your research.

[X] Give them away...
- [X] To the Amber College

[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Though your future relationship with the spiders is still unknown, they do appear to be a new species and you do have a number of corpses available. Have Esbern and Seija help you autopsy the creatures for a paper.
[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
 
BungieONI said:
Hmm, I don't truthfully see the point of the quest being that. I see it as one of questioning and weighing your loyalties to determine which one's rate higher than others.

When we went to Abelhelm we did the double agent thing under duress, but were extremely attached and loyal to him within the first couple of turns. Given we're not under duress it quite severely alters the context of the choice for me to the point I do not want to do it.
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Yes, I phrased my point earlier in a clumsy fashion, my later post clarifies my intent.
Also on diving back in realms of sorcery, I was mistaken about Arcane Elven being Eltharion.

The language derivations go something like
Old Ones Magical language -> Anoqeyån -> Eltharin -> Lingua praestantia

From the realms of sorcery book we also have the following excerpt.



On the dwarven side of things it's going to be
Old ones -> Arcane (dwarvish) -> Khazalid
Granted that's the language they use for runesmiths so it's not likely we'll ever learn it.
 
[X] Remain in Karak Eight Peaks, either in the employ of Belegar or pursuing your research.


[X] Give them away...
- [X] To the Amber College, on the condition that you are informed about them, and reserve the right to purchase one of them. Also negotiate for the spell to communicate with the spiders on the Amber wizards behalf (inform them of this beforehand).

[x] Keep them to be hatched.

Yeah, not giving away loot just like that.

[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends, and you'll be practically next door in Altdorf. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.

I ship Mathilde/Puppy.

[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.

Since we are in the neighborhood, might as well pick up our stuff.

[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.

And some actual work to close the update, we need to know what's out there.
Strategic removal, I still think this is a priority but the friends update flows much better.
Edit: apparently the college is not open to negotiations.
 
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