Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Derpmind has put forward a convincing argument for a relevant approval vote secondary to the Barak Varr option:
[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Druchii of Naggaroth, Ten Kingdoms of Ulthuan, Kingdom of Nehekhara
[X] [LIBRARY] Back-fill: Romance
[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Druchii of Naggaroth, Ten Kingdoms of Ulthuan, Kingdom of Nehekhara
[X] [LIBRARY] Back-fill: Romance
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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- the Philippines
The Karak Eight Peaks Romance Novel Exchange Network is about to get a nuke thrown in their collective laps.
Mathilde is probably already the chief local supply of the humans and maybe halflings, at least indirectly. The EIC likely brings books along with their other trade goods, and given their deals with Barak Varr and their river transport, are quite likely to be better than other competitors.
dinomannitro6
all your gender is belong to us
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- The Land Where The Sunflowers Bloom
The 'Lady is a Daughter' board. Because Questing Knights are a thing in Bretonnia.
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- Czech Republic
[X] [LIBRARY] Back-fill: Romance
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] A translation of the Indic Aqshy books obtained from the Elementalists (1 CF)
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] A translation of the Indic Aqshy books obtained from the Elementalists (1 CF)
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
We actually saw at least one dice roll Boney made,
but since the scope is narrower this time I'm not sure how applicable this is to the new backfill.
Is this actually a valid vote ? We don't have a romance category in the informational threadmark for the library( romance is on the bookshelf ), and romance isn't listed as possible category in the description for the action.
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I don't think backfilling romance will net us much. We can only grab Imperial and Dwarf books through it, after all.
Here's our full bookshelf:
We'd get Imperial to Esoteric (+3), and Dwarven to Extensive and Esoteric (+4), and maybe pick up some Vulgar books in each culture as well, but no guarantees because we haven't actually started building those collections yet.
What I'm saying is, we should wait until we have trade contacts with Bretonnia, Laurelorn, and Naggaroth (and maybe Ulthuan) before we backfill Romance, to really max out the bonus. I'm sure once the Eonir have their ships going, we can arrange something with Barak Varr, and then we can move Eonir and Druchii books through our local booksellers. Ulthuan books are unfortunately bottlenecked by Marienburg, and Bretonnian books can probably be obtained after we bring them into the waystone project.
Those are not insurmountable challenges, but we should definitely look into them before backfilling romance.
(Also I think I've raised the point before that buying Romance with our KAU budget is technically embezzling, but I don't think any of us actually care that deeply about it).
Just had a thought: would High Elf romance books be under the "Ulthuan" cultural umbrella, or would each of the Ten Kingdoms have their own category? I could see Sapherian fiction being different to Tiranocian fiction, and so forth, but at the same time there's probably more similarities between them than differences.
Here's our full bookshelf:
We'd get Imperial to Esoteric (+3), and Dwarven to Extensive and Esoteric (+4), and maybe pick up some Vulgar books in each culture as well, but no guarantees because we haven't actually started building those collections yet.
What I'm saying is, we should wait until we have trade contacts with Bretonnia, Laurelorn, and Naggaroth (and maybe Ulthuan) before we backfill Romance, to really max out the bonus. I'm sure once the Eonir have their ships going, we can arrange something with Barak Varr, and then we can move Eonir and Druchii books through our local booksellers. Ulthuan books are unfortunately bottlenecked by Marienburg, and Bretonnian books can probably be obtained after we bring them into the waystone project.
Those are not insurmountable challenges, but we should definitely look into them before backfilling romance.
(Also I think I've raised the point before that buying Romance with our KAU budget is technically embezzling, but I don't think any of us actually care that deeply about it).
Just had a thought: would High Elf romance books be under the "Ulthuan" cultural umbrella, or would each of the Ten Kingdoms have their own category? I could see Sapherian fiction being different to Tiranocian fiction, and so forth, but at the same time there's probably more similarities between them than differences.
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Probably the same, since "Asur" is counted as a single culture in our library, and we have precedents for some distinctive sub-cultures still counting as part of a larger culture, like Halfling stuff being Imperial and Sartosan stuff being Tilean. The differences between sub-cultures are probably accounted for by the Extensive bonus mechanic.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
I'm not sure this map scale would be canon to the quest. A rough estimate makes the Empire border on this one appear about 350 miles long, from the Grey Mountains to Black Fire Pass. Some more rough estimates mean that if so the Empire is about 1.5 million square miles, which is ridiculously huge (IRL, it would be the 7th largest country in the world).Yup, it's an area approximately equal to a square 40 miles on a side or a circle with a diameter of 45 miles. Here's a thread-canonical map of the Border Princes:
See those red and yellow rectangles at the bottom? Those represent 50 miles each. Greta's Princessipality is smaller than even a single one of them. The Border Princes are big.
Honestly, I only care about not spending money this turn as I'm shooting for elfcation next vote. (We will still probably find ourselves back in debt from all the goodies at lorthean. But what can you do.)
We kept on telling ourselves we would go when we mastered the sword style, and we have mastered the sword style.
We will always find more stuff to do instead. Let's just gooooooo!!!!!!
We kept on telling ourselves we would go when we mastered the sword style, and we have mastered the sword style.
We will always find more stuff to do instead. Let's just gooooooo!!!!!!
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King Arthur
The Once and Future King
Rereading this quest, starting from post-Sylvania.
I forgot how rad as hell Belegar is so early.
He's so cool.
I forgot how rad as hell Belegar is so early.
He's so cool.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
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I would like to remind people that there are no Dwarven books on the Druchii and that we would only get around 6 library points out of Ulthuan books. Barak Varr'ing those topics feels a bit like a waste. Instead of the Druchii or the Ten Kingdoms, I'd encourage getting any polities of which we have nothing of from Imperial or Dwarven sources but that we do know those sources exist: Estalia, Tilea, Strygos, Araby.
As for backfilling romance, I will echo what Nerdasaurus said: we only get Empire and Dwarven books out of the process. It would not be that effective at filling out those holes in our collection.
...Also, I will note that all the romance books we have are on our personal bookshelf, not the library. So Mathilde might need to request personal copies for herself if she wanted to read romance in her spare time rather than going all the way to Kvinn-Wyr for them.
I wouldn't say it's the best use of the budget Belegar is giving us.
As for backfilling romance, I will echo what Nerdasaurus said: we only get Empire and Dwarven books out of the process. It would not be that effective at filling out those holes in our collection.
...Also, I will note that all the romance books we have are on our personal bookshelf, not the library. So Mathilde might need to request personal copies for herself if she wanted to read romance in her spare time rather than going all the way to Kvinn-Wyr for them.
I wouldn't say it's the best use of the budget Belegar is giving us.
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- Actually pretty lost
We aren't going to be able to go into debt at Lothern, it's not like the Karaz Ankor or the Empire where our good name is a guarantee. If we want to buy very expensive things, we need lots of money up front.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, we have exactly one way of getting a large lump sum of gold anytime soon, and that's the EIC Ithilmar action.
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I would assume that the map scale is quest canon for the Border Princes, at the very least, and 1.5 million doesn't seem like it's that far off. The overlaid map of Laurelorn and Nordland looks to be about 225 miles by 400 miles, which is roughly 100k square miles, and you can roughly multiply by 10 assuming Nordland is an average size for provinces.
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- Chicago
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Fantasy is always weird with scales. The appropriately scaled maps for the intrigue and travel times everyone seems to want would be Germany when it's broken up into a hundred kingdoms- but the need to make it feel epic always leads to entire worlds and continents that are bigger than earth's used as the basic unit, rather than counties.
I like my fantasy worlds where it's a week on horseback from the border to the capitol, thanks. Not the ones where it's a month between minor villages.
I like my fantasy worlds where it's a week on horseback from the border to the capitol, thanks. Not the ones where it's a month between minor villages.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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I'm fairly sure it's canon that the Warhammer fantasy world is a good ammount bigger than earth, so that's actually probably about right
Are we planning to go to Arraby? Are we planning to talk to any Estaliens and Tileans rather than survey from the top of a gyro?
I understand the drive to be efficient with one's purchases, but when we are talking directed purchases what really matters is if we are actually planning to use the books soon. Otherwise one ends up with stuff like the Esrai books who look like they will be languishing in irrelevancy at least another turn.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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It can't be canon for the Border Princes but not the Empire.
Using that same method I did earlier gets me about 200x300, or 60,000 square miles. A quick look at a map of teh Empire makes me roughly estimate it fits in 12 times or so (10 provinces, sure, but Stirland (with Sylvania and the Moot) and Talabecland are about twice, Middenland is 1.5 and Hochland about .5, so 12 all together). That still gets me too much size honestly, because it's 720,000 which is close to being the size of Mexico, but at least it's not literally 25% bigger than India.
I mean, WHF is just really really inconsistent with its scales (which is fair, not everyone is going to hand draw scaled maps like Tolkien & Son (although that one has issues, scale isn't one of them)), and there's a bit of persistent fandom saying that Warhammer world is 2x Earth.
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I don't think that would do it either; I think that would give the EIC a bunch of money, but not enrich Mathilde specifically. Mathilde has never gotten lump sums from EIC actions, it's only changed how much money she gets from the turn income as dividends from her ownership. And since the ithilmar trade expressly doesn't represent an income stream, but rather a one-time injection of cash, I'm doubtful that the ithilmar action would put money in Mathilde's pockets as opposed to Wilhelmina just investing it in stuff that will generate income streams.
I mean... we didn't buy them with the expectation they would be immediately useful? The point of Barak Varr last turn was to get a targeted purchase on Metallurgy and the other two topics were just gravy. Metallurgy was immediately useful, but we didn't have ideas for two other immediately-useful topics, so we grabbed Bretonnia and Athel Loren because Barak Varr gives you three. The whole point was to have background info for stuff that would probably come up eventually, so criticizing that purchase for not accomplishing someone nobody said it would accomplish feels odd to me.