Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Durthragnaraz (translation courtesy of @BungieONI )
Art from Lachlan Page, over at https://www.artstation.com/lpage
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Durthragnaraz (translation courtesy of @BungieONI )
Art from Lachlan Page, over at https://www.artstation.com/lpage
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pucflek
Verified simpleton
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Only so many free sites that accept 50+ MB files for free felas, not sure how much i can do about that.
Best i can do is this.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
I'd recommend using a standard image host (such as, indeed, Discord) for a smaller version of the image, plus include a link to a Dropbox or Google Drive or OneDrive hosting the full version.
Thanks! Good point regarding the size. To me it would have actually been totally ok to have just an 'uglier' lowres version as fallback if that makes the next time easier.
I have definitely played too much Zelda recently. That cliffside opposite of the duo seems really inviting and climbable
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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- Czech Republic
Thx
@Boney You might want to switch the link in the fanart threadmark with the discord hosted image, i apparently did a dumb by linking the image from google photo link so its not showing for everyone. I put it in spoiler in the same post i linked the original image with.
Also, here is google drive link DL_ART - Google Drive
consequences
Not A Nice Person At All
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- Jerkville
[x] picklepikkl
Well, with the thread being pretty quiet and the vote being pretty unanimous I think it's time for me to take a single sentence about the Hedgewise and build mountains of wild speculation on top of it, though honestly there's so little to work with here it'll probably be more like a small hill of speculation.
The Ostermark Hedgewise live by a section of the Forest of Shadows that the Empire calls the Gryphon's Wood and Kislev calls the Shirokij forest. They are a mystery Cult and it's unknown who they worship, but I believe that they probably worship Halétha, or specifically some guise of Her that focuses on her connection to travel, similarly to the Kislevite guise of Halétha called Kalita. A look at a map of the Empire during the time of Sigmar will show that the Roppsmenn occupied the area around the Shirokij forest during ancient times, so I guess some historical connection between the two groups isn't entirely out of the question. The Roppsmenn are also notable for their connection to Tor, a Kislevite God that wields an axe, which I guess explains the axe connection. But really the whole axe thing is probably just a coincidence, and even if it's not it probably doesn't hint at anything deeper than some axe loving folk spreading their love of axes to their neighbours.
....
unless...
Tor is the Kislevite God of thunder and lightning and a patron of warriors, commonly depicted as a muscular man wielding an axe. As the wiki points out His name obviously comes from the Norse god Thor, but it is likely that Tor was also inspired by Perun. Perun is a Slavic God of thunder and war (among other things) and unlike Thor, who uses a hammer, Perun uses an axe. Tor's axe is also said to have a haft of oak, and Perun is associated with oaks, so yeah I think it's safe to say that there's some inspiration there. So what? None of this has anything to do with the Hedgewise or the Forest of Shadows. Perun's wiki page says he's associated with horses and carts, so I guess if you really want to you can draw some connection to Kalita since Kalita is associated with the transportation of goods and in canon one of His symbols is a pony, but I mean come on that's barely anything. Like I said, it's probably just a coincidence.
....
unless...
Article: In Slavic mythology, much like in Norse and Baltic mythologies, the world was represented by a sacred tree, usually an oak, whose branches and trunk represented the living world of heavens and mortals, whilst its roots represented the underworld, i.e. the realm of the dead. Perun was the ruler of the living world, sky and earth, and was often symbolised by an eagle sitting on the top of the tallest branch of the sacred tree, from which he kept watch over the entire world. Deep down in the roots of the tree was the place of his opponent, symbolised by a serpent or a dragon[...]
Ok, I guess if I had to try and find some sort of connection to warhammer lore I would say that obviously the sacred world tree is the Oak of Ages, and the enemy under it is the dragon Radixashen, Serpent of the World Roots, so maybe you can take this to imply some sort of animosity between Athel Loren and Tor? But surely this is just a coincidence. I mean, just because last time Mathilde was in the Shirokij forest - the area the Roppsmenn occupied in ancient times - it was to fight forces from Athel Loren that doesn't mean that...
So, when Mathilde in the Shirokij forest a mysterious voice in her mind told her that the Forest of Shadows and Athel Loren are enemies. I think the conclusion is inescapable: Tor is a sworn enemy of Athel Loren and also Tor is Ranald's daughter and is Halétha.
or maybe the Ostermark Hedgefolk just use axes to cut trees, I guess that's also possible
[x] picklepikkl
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Care and feeding of your familiar. Which is 110% not an excuse for extra cute shenanigangs I swear!
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I really think you are onto something here, but... Tor is brother to Ursun and Dazh and the Widow, and had many more siblings once who were killed by Ranald on Shallya's orders.
Are Tor and Haletha connected? Yeah, maybe? Are they the same person? No, I don't think so.
Still, Halatha is a noble in Dazh's court, and has shared symbolism with Tor, so She's definitely more important to Kislev than She (or anyone else) let's on.
Codex
Fantasy Addict
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- She/Her
I'm incredibly biased, but I'm not exaggerating when I say this may be the best painting I've ever seen. Not like I'm an art critic, but the oil painting style looks absolutely amazing. I zoomed in to check on the details, and I love that you can see the sapphires in Belegar's crown.
Durthragnaraz (translation courtesy of @BungieONI )
Art from Lachlan Page, over at https://www.artstation.com/lpage
I don't know what to say. I also think this is the first time anyone drew DL Belegar.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
The trouble with theory-crafting about Tor is that there's not much to go on from canon.
He's a loner who doesn't like hanging around people and spends all his days practicing with his axe. His cult is easily the least-organized cult in the Old World, to the point I'm not even sure it qualifies as one, and his only tenet is 'Don't stand under trees in a thunderstorm'.
Diplomacy: 7+1+1-2=7
Martial: ?
Stewardship: ?
Intrigue: ?
Piety: ?
Learning: 11+2=13
Magic: 1+1=2
Traits:
Grey Wizard: She has the ability and education to wield the winds of Ulgu, the grey magic of shadow and illusion.
Apprentice: She has reached the level of training where she is able to begin learning the simplest of spells. Her Master is Lady Magister Mathilde Weber.
???
???
???
Mark of Ulgu: She bears the Mark of Ulgu upon her right arm, signifying the claim that the Wind has laid on her soul. +1 Magic.
Diplomacy:
Colleges of Magic (1/3)
Empire of Man: Under the tutelage of her grandmother, she has achieved a solid understanding of the provinces of the Empire. +1 Diplomacy
Eonir of Laurelorn (1/3)
???
Martial:
Fitness (2/3)
???
???
???
Pistols: She was taught to wield her grandmother's weapon of choice from a young age. +1 Martial
Intrigue:
???
Stewardship:
Accounting: As heir apparent of the EIC, she has been taught the arcane art of double-entry bookkeeping. +1 Stewardship
Trade: She has a basic understanding of the endless flow of goods and gold that keeps civilization running. +1 Stewardship
Piety:
Old World Pantheon (Northern) (1/3)
Old World Pantheon (Southern): Having grown up in the softer corners of the Empire, she is familiar with the more civilized of the Empire's Gods.
Shallya (1/3)
Learning:
Economics (Old World) (2/3)
Languages:
Reikspiel
Lingua Praestantia
Tar-Eltharin (2/3)
Magic:
Waaaghbane (2/5)
Spells known:
Glowing Light
Marsh Lights
Martial: ?
Stewardship: ?
Intrigue: ?
Piety: ?
Learning: 11+2=13
Magic: 1+1=2
Traits:
Grey Wizard: She has the ability and education to wield the winds of Ulgu, the grey magic of shadow and illusion.
Apprentice: She has reached the level of training where she is able to begin learning the simplest of spells. Her Master is Lady Magister Mathilde Weber.
???
???
???
Mark of Ulgu: She bears the Mark of Ulgu upon her right arm, signifying the claim that the Wind has laid on her soul. +1 Magic.
Diplomacy:
Colleges of Magic (1/3)
Empire of Man: Under the tutelage of her grandmother, she has achieved a solid understanding of the provinces of the Empire. +1 Diplomacy
Eonir of Laurelorn (1/3)
???
Martial:
Fitness (2/3)
???
???
???
Pistols: She was taught to wield her grandmother's weapon of choice from a young age. +1 Martial
Intrigue:
???
Stewardship:
Accounting: As heir apparent of the EIC, she has been taught the arcane art of double-entry bookkeeping. +1 Stewardship
Trade: She has a basic understanding of the endless flow of goods and gold that keeps civilization running. +1 Stewardship
Piety:
Old World Pantheon (Northern) (1/3)
Old World Pantheon (Southern): Having grown up in the softer corners of the Empire, she is familiar with the more civilized of the Empire's Gods.
Shallya (1/3)
Learning:
Economics (Old World) (2/3)
Languages:
Reikspiel
Lingua Praestantia
Tar-Eltharin (2/3)
Magic:
Waaaghbane (2/5)
Spells known:
Glowing Light
Marsh Lights
So my idea of a project of Eike.
She has to try and sneak up on Mathy and steal her hat for a few months.
Mathy will go super easy on her at the start, but every time she gets it Mathy get stricter, every time she fails Mathy will tell her what she did wrong and help her correct it.
While being smug, the smug will motivate Eike.
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Eike also learned a couple of other things after that
There you have it again - trees! The evidence is all there!
(yeah I'm not entirely serious about any of this)
...really? This might be the first time I think someone in the thread finds my theories too plausible...
Halétha doesn't have shared symbolism with Tor (unless you count the trees fron his tenet a symbol of Tor). Tor's symbol are a thunderbolt, an axe, and silver. Perun kind of shares two symbols with Kalita, but Perun is a real world diety that I believe Tor is very loosely based on, not something canonical to the setting.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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OK, well, I feel very foolish; I was out doing my best Dwarf imitation last night at a meadery with a bunch of friends and phoneposted my vote. I hadn't noticed screwing up the spelling of "Druchii", and yeah, I had meant to get Bretonnian books because they seemed likely to have slightly more actionable information than Imperial ones (though that's not a big deal).
Thankfully, we're early in the voting and a lot of people have done the flattering thing of namevoting me, so:
[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Metallurgy, Bretonnia, Athel Loren
[X] [PURCHASE] Druchii: Bretonnian Extensive (100gc)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
Thankfully, we're early in the voting and a lot of people have done the flattering thing of namevoting me, so:
[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Metallurgy, Bretonnia, Athel Loren
[X] [PURCHASE] Druchii: Bretonnian Extensive (100gc)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
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[X] picklepikkl
Oh yeah, I see, I got a bit mixed around as I was reading your post, which is probably because I was trying to read it whilst working and that's never a good combination.
Unless you want to go down the rabbit hole of "lightning looks like roots", I guess.
Oh, and vote fixing:
[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Metallurgy, Bretonnia, Athel Loren
[X] [PURCHASE] Druchii: Bretonnian Extensive (100gc)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
