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Still happy that plan of mine went through, even if it never came up again in the story beyond the chapter that it was implemented. Ah well, at the very least it gave Belegar's whole Council another idea on how Umgi Zhufokri, even the best of them, think and solve problems.
 
Still happy that plan of mine went through, even if it never came up again in the story beyond the chapter that it was implemented. Ah well, at the very least it gave Belegar's whole Council another idea on how Umgi Zhufokri, even the best of them, think and solve problems.
Give it time, there is certainly going to be an instance where 8 Peaks pulls out the surprise dragon move.
 
So, I wonder, if the foe keeps killing your magicked up dragons, what's the rate at which the monolith could pump them out if you went all in on sacrificing and drinking as fast as possible, plus whatever other magic you can spin into it.

Now i'm trying to imagine what a serious, peer siege of K8P would look like, with them throwing burning firey darkness, gigantic amounts of cannon, and every few days or hours another dragon at you. What do you even need to bring to crack that?
 
So, I wonder, if the foe keeps killing your magicked up dragons, what's the rate at which the monolith could pump them out if you went all in on sacrificing and drinking as fast as possible, plus whatever other magic you can spin into it.
depends on how well you get the required materials.

Aka the wild animals. And they must be wild.
 
So, I wonder, if the foe keeps killing your magicked up dragons, what's the rate at which the monolith could pump them out if you went all in on sacrificing and drinking as fast as possible, plus whatever other magic you can spin into it.

Now i'm trying to imagine what a serious, peer siege of K8P would look like, with them throwing burning firey darkness, gigantic amounts of cannon, and every few days or hours another dragon at you. What do you even need to bring to crack that?
An army that can park further away, outside the range of cannon or shadowtower, and that can also cut off the Underway, until K8P surrenders for lack of supplies. The big question then is whether K8P's internal fields grow enough food to supply the entire population locally.
 
An army that can park further away, outside the range of cannon or shadowtower, and that can also cut off the Underway, until K8P surrenders for lack of supplies. The big question then is whether K8P's internal fields grow enough food to supply the entire population locally.


Its a dwarfhold, so a long siege could last literal millennia.

And yeah, this particular dwarfhold has interior farmlands that do seem sufficient to supply the entire population.

Not to mention quite a few resources to call on that most holds would not- including a willingness and ability to assassinate enemy leadership, which makes sieging significantly harder.

Its basically all the worst aspects of sieging a dwarfhold and a human settlement combined, with halfling agriculture as a bonus. Also giant spiders.

Its not impossible, but its an extremely tall order.
 
An army that can park further away, outside the range of cannon or shadowtower, and that can also cut off the Underway, until K8P surrenders for lack of supplies. The big question then is whether K8P's internal fields grow enough food to supply the entire population locally.

Anyone who's gonna starve can, instead, go turn into a dragon and go to town on the besiegers (and their supplies, if they're squeamish about eating people). That makes starving people out a bit more dangerous than it usually is.
 
So, I wonder, if the foe keeps killing your magicked up dragons, what's the rate at which the monolith could pump them out if you went all in on sacrificing and drinking as fast as possible, plus whatever other magic you can spin into it.

Now i'm trying to imagine what a serious, peer siege of K8P would look like, with them throwing burning firey darkness, gigantic amounts of cannon, and every few days or hours another dragon at you. What do you even need to bring to crack that?
K8P's magical weapons have the downside that they aren't ideal against underground attacks from the Underway, which are the exact kind that made it fall in the first place due to the Skaven. The Eye of Gazul only works against overland sieges, and the monolith dragon would be more limited to how much damage it could do underground. The cannons would be the best bet against such attacks, but you'd also have to watch out for any attempts at flanking them by making new tunnels.

Though dwarves have spent millennia getting used to the reality of Skaven attacks and being prepared for them, and IIRC Belegar and Dreng have spent some time mapping out the depths and setting patrols underground to prepare for any probing attacks or tunnels that they missed, Skaven remain the biggest potential threat to K8P. It may not be in a year, it may not be in a decade or two, but eventually they'll return.
 
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depends on how well you get the required materials.

Aka the wild animals. And they must be wild.
I wonder if teaching the Jade College Waystone-tapping skills to a Ghur user could circumvent the amount of necessary sacrifice.
Not to mention quite a few resources to call on that most holds would not- including a willingness and ability to assassinate enemy leadership, which makes sieging significantly harder.

Its basically all the worst aspects of sieging a dwarfhold and a human settlement combined, with halfling agriculture as a bonus. Also giant spiders.
This puts into perspective how hard besieging a Chorfhold would be. They also have monsters and assassins. Though maybe less reliant internal food sources.

Speaking of Chorfs, I think that without a Grey Wizard the Eye of Gazul can't affect them.
Anyone who's gonna starve can, instead, go turn into a dragon and go to town on the besiegers (and their supplies, if they're squeamish about eating people). That makes starving people out a bit more dangerous than it usually is.
Right now dragoning someone requires quite a bit of meat. Yes, the meat can be eaten afterwards, but that still means that at the point where people are actually starving it will be hard to activate the Dragon Altar.
 
The nice part about having a bunch of hunting knights on wolfback is that you can schedule deliveries of wild animals. :)
 
Anyone who's gonna starve can, instead, go turn into a dragon and go to town on the besiegers (and their supplies, if they're squeamish about eating people). That makes starving people out a bit more dangerous than it usually is.
OTOH: In this situation, the dragon has to leave the Karak and the supporting fire and all that, which makes the dragon a bit less dangerous.
 
Is it any Grey Wizard, or is it Mathilde specifically? While I can't object to the narrative drama of having the Hochlander show up at the 11th hour and plug his mind into the targeting mechanism while Mathilde is absent, that'd just be...odd?
Well, I don't know if the Hochlander, being a Perpetual, has the prerequisite skill, but I am pretty sure that Grey Magisters should be able to.

Your original plan for the weaponized portion of the Grey Tower consisted of a 360-degree view, a revolving chair for you to sit in, and nothing else. Now that it can operate without a Grey Wizard providing the fine control, you've had to expand that somewhat,
This is what made me think that others could use it.
"That's the failsafe. It can't fire without a crystal, and there's no crystals for Dwarves or Halflings or man." Unless you're piloting it, in which case it's controlled by your mind, not the console.
This on the other hand could indicate that I'm wrong.
 
Is it any Grey Wizard, or is it Mathilde specifically? While I can't object to the narrative drama of having the Hochlander show up at the 11th hour and plug his mind into the targeting mechanism while Mathilde is absent, that'd just be...odd?

My understanding is that basically anyone can fire it, but if someone tries to counter it they're going to be going up against the spellcasting of whoever is in the driver seat- so its by far more effective with a lord magister firing than a perpetual.

(Note that 'basically anyone' does still require that you be judged worthy by Gazul, otherwise the only thing getting dusted is you.)

This interpretation is correct. The Tower being fired through the control panel and can't be forced to miscast, but can by quite easily counterspelled. The Tower being fired by Mathilde can be engaged more directly and induced miscasts are possible, but that does mean that the one attempting to do so just entered a magical cage match with Mathilde.

If they had seen it coming, they would have. A lower roll, a very minor intervention from Gork and Mork, or needing to use the Red or Blue Towers could have provided them that opportunity. A force already aware of the Eye of Gazul would have had more alert spellcasters.
 
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"2/10. Edges were too gilt, Not enough Floating things, and Wine didnt get half the party drunk. Seriously, what kind of party is it when the girls still have half their cloths on and the guys arent trying to show off glistening abs? This is the sort of party a wimp would throw, not a respectable person"
-Review by attending Elf Loremistress, severely disappointed in the party.
 
Its a dwarfhold, so a long siege could last literal millennia.

And yeah, this particular dwarfhold has interior farmlands that do seem sufficient to supply the entire population.

Not to mention quite a few resources to call on that most holds would not- including a willingness and ability to assassinate enemy leadership, which makes sieging significantly harder.

Its basically all the worst aspects of sieging a dwarfhold and a human settlement combined, with halfling agriculture as a bonus. Also giant spiders.

Its not impossible, but its an extremely tall order.
As the designated Panoramia simp I have to mention that a large part of the Halfling agriculture working is Panoramia, since most of their grains didn't work out well this far south. I'm pretty sure without her magic, there wouldn't be a sustainable agricultural framework in K8P anywhere near this fast.

As a Panoramia fan I also have to acknowledge the hard work the Halflings put into making this unorthodox arrangement work. They've transitioned from Imperial grains to Tilean grains and have done a fantastic job doing it. Pan and the Halflings is like a toned down version of Mathilde and the Dwarves.
 
Yeah, the Halflings could have made K8P agriculture work by themselves, but it would have taken them at least a generation to cultivate the soil and test the best crops on it.

Pan reduced that to under a decade.

Such a massive achievement, and it could have only been done by them working together.
 
Wasn't the main reason the skaven were a problem the reshuffling of the geography by the slann? Without another one of those a good siege on karak 8 peaks would take centuries, minimum, up against extremely qualified runesmiths, wizards, with leaders that barely last a day before getting assasinated, possibly by dragon
 
You know, when the We enter the conversation at the same time as Mathilde not providing the Karak with defenses for their most historically important weak point, it occurs to me that she actually did. In fact, it was the very first major defense she enabled the Karak to attain, even if she wasn't thinking of it at the time.

The We are natural predators of the Skaven. They're a force able to shift in response to the situation not just to guard old tunnels, but even mobile and clever enough to protect newly opened ones. For a a place like Karak Eight Peaks, worried about Skaven tricks opening new tunnels just as much as guarding existing ones they're likely a great boon to that effort as a result. Thus, by stating off that alliance, it's quite possible the We were the first major directional defense provided the Karak, if also the slowest to reach its full potential.

Of course, the irony is that the kind of person who saw the We as only a defense, a weapon to be wielded, would be sharply limited in their interactions and even ability to use them that way, while someone who saw them as fellows and allies would avoid many of those traps of thinking and possible bad relationships, and get both a far more capable ally, and a far more capable friend for doing so.

Which, in its own way, seems pretty Grey: Mathilde, operating in relative ignorance of one of the things she was really achieving --- or really with a willful intent to look at it through a more idealistic lens even as it was also explained in a way Dwarves new to and suspicious of the relationship would agree with--- had that same blind spot make her acts far more effective towards what a cynical intent would seek to accomplish than if she had been planning via cynical means.

(though it has been a while since my last read, so I'm not sure how well memory serves me here, though I think the whole "The We are Mathilde's great monumental contribution to the underside defense of the Karak." angle holds up on the broad strokes. And I like the poetry of it.)
 
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