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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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deathofrats0808 said:
The Druchii repeatedly land in Nagarythe, not next to Caledor.
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Yes. But Caledor also happens to located right on the otherside of the mountains from Nagarythe. This means that the gate protecting them is also therefor amongst the first places related to the inner provinces that gets attacked as well as also meaning they can more swiftly move forces to provde aid to Nagarythe. Nagarythe: Being Caledor's meatshield for over 10 thousand years.

Which uh....had you actually read by post you would have realized I already covered.
 
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I had thought Caledor actually stretched up a lot farther than that. with the 2 provinces being more equal in size....what the fuck did the Caledor do to sleep on that much territory?
 
Daedwartin said:
I had thought Caledor actually stretched up a lot farther than that. with the 2 provinces being more equal in size....what the fuck did the Caledor do to sleep on that much territory?
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Probably getting access to both the inner and outer sea without having to protect the entrance. They're the only ones with land on both sides of the mountains aside from Eataine.
 
Tasoli said:
I think she still had friends in the community that tried to sell her to newfangled church I think.

Incidently zealous Sigmarites might work better as antagonist if we are not going with gribblies killed my village origin.
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Pretty sure none of the people in that community were her friends.
In fact, i'm not sure anyone actually believed she existed when she left.
 
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Valmond said:
Pretty sure none of the people in that community were her friends.
In fact, i'm not sure anyone actually believed she existed when she left.
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Hmm I seem to misremember that about her being friends with people since it has been so long since I read/watched so I checked the wiki;
Yarei (ヤレイ)Yarei is a light novel and manga-only character. He is a farmer of Pasloe and has a long history of facilitating deals with Lawrence. On the day Lawrence passes through Pasloe Yarei "catches the wolf" in the town's yearly harvest festival. Instead Holo escapes to a larger sheaf of wheat in Lawrence's wagon. When they meet again in Pazzio, Yarei certainly knows of the existence of Holo. He subsequently avows his faith in modern methods and seeks to turn her over to the Church for burning.
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I am not sure he believed before she left but I do remember this guy did know of the wolf/Holo.
 
Tasoli said:
Hmm I seem to misremember that about her being friends with people since it has been so long since I read/watched so I checked the wiki;

I am not sure he believed before she left but I do remember this guy did know of the wolf/Holo.
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Knew the myths and stories of her, absolutely, believed she was real, eh, not impossible, but not impression i was left with.
The whole, last bit of wheat, and being chased into the storage so spirit of harvest can't escape felt more like tradition left over from pre conversion than anything else.
And once Holo appeared in front of the girl whose name i can't remember, she went with all the myths, not any personal knowledge of her.

At most some of the villages might believe she existed, but there was no real personal relationship left at this point.
 
Caledor is centered around the Dragonspine Mountains, the caverns under which are filled with ores and dragons, and Vaul's Anvil, the world's only source of Ithilmar. They leave raw acreage of arable land to the likes of Eataine and Ellyrion.
 
Why do stuff with land to grow food when you can do stuff with dragons and anvils and get food from your awed neighbours?
 
It would be wrong to say that Caledor Dragontamer thought farming beneath him or his people, for that would be to imply that Caledor Dragontamer, at some point in his life, had thought of farming at all.
 
"Yes, food comes on trays from that slot in the door. You mean it usually doesn't? Well, it's been over 10 years, so my memory of 'how it normally goes' is fading." -- Qrech in his cell
 
Going to pont this out....but Caledor Dragontamer likely actually did concern himself with the issue of agriculture quite a bit. Keep in mind his neighboring provinces were not fellow provinces. They were explicitly rival kingdoms that warred with each other. As such, food would have been an major concern for his small province that sits right next to Lothain who could interrupt any sort of costal activity like Fishing.

However, future Caledor Kings? They had the luxury of living in a realm where the entire island was a unified nation with a High King and an army who could smash anyone who dared start a war between kings or princes. So they could afford to ignore the whole issue of farming.

Chances are if the gates ever close and Caledor gets his well deserved rest...he's going to come back up only to be utterly pissed off at the lords of his kingdom.
 
QuietlyObserving said:
"Yes, I could farm, if I wanted to. I'd even bet I'd be pretty good at it. But consider: every minute I spend farming is a minute not spent RIDING A DRAGON."
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You know, for all that Caledor Dragontamer is called such, I don't believe I've ever read of him being a dragon rider himself. How odd.

Daedwartin said:
Going to pont this out....but Caledor Dragontamer likely actually did concern himself with the issue of agriculture quite a bit. Keep in mind his neighboring provinces were not fellow provinces. They were explicitly rival kingdoms that warred with each other. As such, food would have been an major concern for his small province that sits right next to Lothain who could interrupt any sort of costal activity like Fishing.

However, future Caledor Kings? They had the luxury of living in a realm where the entire island was a unified nation with a High King and an army who could smash anyone who dared start a war between kings or princes. So they could afford to ignore the whole issue of farming.

Chances are if the gates ever close and Caledor gets his well deserved rest...he's going to come back up only to be utterly pissed off at the lords of his kingdom.
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Uh, no? Canon says the Elves war way more between themselves (even discoutning the Druchii) now than they did pre-Aenarion. We're actually told they had basically no idea how to fight a war, which is why the daemons absolutely massacred them when they tried to fight back before Aenarion got the power of a god.

Plus, they were somewhat united, under the Everqueen, and we can tell they didn't war amongst themselves all that much, because the core strength of Aenarion's army was dragonriders, and if that was the case, then Caledor should have kicked the hell out of pretty much any of the Kingdms that wasn't Saphery or maybe Avelorn.

None of that means that Caledor wouldn't have been concerned with food, but I don't really think there's much support for the Kingdoms being warring states in the way you describe.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
You know, for all that Caledor Dragontamer is called such, I don't believe I've ever read of him being a dragon rider himself. How odd.
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It never comes up much, but it is mentioned in the novel Master of Dragons (starring his great-grandson Imladrik, younger brother to Caledor II) that Caledor's dragon mount was named Kalamemnon. Whatever happened to him or her, or anything at all beyond their name, is not mentioned.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Uh, no? Canon says the Elves war way more between themselves (even discoutning the Druchii) now than they did pre-Aenarion. We're actually told they had basically no idea how to fight a war, which is why the daemons absolutely massacred them when they tried to fight back before Aenarion got the power of a god.

Plus, they were somewhat united, under the Everqueen, and we can tell they didn't war amongst themselves all that much, because the core strength of Aenarion's army was dragonriders, and if that was the case, then Caledor should have kicked the hell out of pretty much any of the Kingdms that wasn't Saphery or maybe Avelorn.

None of that means that Caledor wouldn't have been concerned with food, but I don't really think there's much support for the Kingdoms being warring states in the way you describe.
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For what it's worth, there's a bit in 5th edition High Elves that actually does suggest that Caledor conquered the other kingdoms before the coming of Chaos and Aenarion.

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When the first Elves came to the land of Dragons, Caledor Dragontamer took possession of it, and named the land for himself. Caledor subjugated the Dragons, mastering them with the aid of sorcery until they submitted to his will. Then Caledor and his sons, riding dragons and with all the Dragons of Caledor at their back, travelled the length of Ulthuan and all Elves acknowledged their rule. Thus began a golden age of order that ended with the coming of Chaos and the rise of Aenarion, the first Phoenix King.
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Of course, I don't believe there's anything else that supports that, and most sources that I've seen paint Caledor's relationship with the first dragons being more... consensual than this book has it (there's a mention on page 7 of Caledor binding the dragons to his will with enchanted harnesses).
 
Daedwartin said:
Chances are if the gates ever close and Caledor gets his well deserved rest...he's going to come back up only to be utterly pissed off at the lords of his kingdom.
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I imagine Caledor would also have the more pressing issue of "Why weren't you fucks doing anything to stop me from being the sole point upon which the world rests?" to complain about. Arrogant and prideful he might be, but I rather doubt this is his idea of a good time, and we've seen from the Dwarven implementation that it's not impossible to run a Waystone network in a fashion that doesn't require a living lynchpin (at least not in that way; you could argue that Thorgrim and his predecessors are taking on a similar role, but I'm given to understand they have vastly more palatable lives and need no special talents beyond reasonable sense, education, and reading comprehension, at least by constrast to "immortal prodigy").
 
We learned from Borek that necromancy comes from elven sorcery, do the colleges know/should we tell them?
Invite Asarnil and Deathfang over to visit Karak eight peaks for a social option?
 
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