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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Those novels also have IC authors, who are presumably making stuff up because they have no possibly way of knowing what a Slann mage-priest is thinking.
 
MonkeyTypewriter said:
He's portrayed basically the same in Age of Sigmar, so any conspiracy to portray him as incompetent has apparently survived the destruction of the entire setting.
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It's certainly canon that Thanquol believes such a conspiracy exists.

After all, how else could the Council's greatest agent so constantly meet with defeat?
 
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To be entirely frank and nonjoking, i think ulgu dragons are impossible. The one thing all dragons have in common are pride and desire to be recognized as the majestic and powerful creatures they are. Ulgu would prevent that. Or it would make the dragon very famous, and we never heard of one, so...
 
pucflek said:
To be entirely frank and nonjoking, i think ulgu dragons are impossible. The one thing all dragons have in common are pride and desire to be recognized as the majestic and powerful creatures they are. Ulgu would prevent that. Or it would make the dragon very famous, and we never heard of one, so...
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What's biggest show dragon can direct and produce while not being recognized as a dragon?
 
Ulgu dragons actually act like apparently bumbling Hysh and Azyr aspected dragons whose seeming over the top failures quietly achieve their actual goals.
 
pucflek said:
To be entirely frank and nonjoking, i think ulgu dragons are impossible. The one thing all dragons have in common are pride and desire to be recognized as the majestic and powerful creatures they are. Ulgu would prevent that. Or it would make the dragon very famous, and we never heard of one, so...
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I will note that you've almost described Mathilde, who is also about as famous as a Grey Wizard can be, somewhat proud, and very willing to put her name in a bunch of places so she can be recognized as a cool and moderately powerful human.
 
Parabola said:
I will note that you've almost described Mathilde, who is also about as famous as a Grey Wizard can be, somewhat proud, and very willing to put her name in a bunch of places so she can be recognized as a cool and moderately powerful human.
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Yeah. According to Mathilde (who is not entierly unbiased), make hidden assassins and secret police ulgu users takes effort. The natural direction is showmen and mystics. And it's very easy to mentally frame "I surprised/confused them" as "I'm better than them". An Ulgu dragon might express its pride by misleading and suprising those it interacts with. Which, come to think of it, is pretty much what happens whenever Mathilde and Regimand meet.
 
If we're looking for Ulgu dragons, the first place to check would be any odd gaps between the territories of known dragons.

It's probably a bad idea to go looking unless you've got some defence against memory manipulation like the Forgotten arcane mark, or are extremely confident in being able to kill a dragon as soon as you stumble into one with no prep time. Preferably both.
 
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pucflek said:
To be entirely frank and nonjoking, i think ulgu dragons are impossible. The one thing all dragons have in common are pride and desire to be recognized as the majestic and powerful creatures they are. Ulgu would prevent that. Or it would make the dragon very famous, and we never heard of one, so...
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I think that's arbitrarily limiting the nature of Ulgu, to say that the wind automatically inclines itself against pride and toward obscurity
Mathilde herself is constantly motivated by a desire for recognition within the circles she operates after all
Trickery and deception does not always have to be unheard, unseen and unfelt

Mathilde's own understanding of Ulgu is that it makes for mystics and showmen, illusionists, stage magicians and charlatans
Ulgu isn't just about hiding and being unseen, it's also about confusion and misdirection, and part of misdirection is actually capturing and holding attention
Boney said:
Okay, fine. It's true, and it doesn't take much more than basic Wind theory to spot it. Ulgu doesn't make for terrifying ethereal assassins unless you really put your mind to it. It makes mystics and showmen.
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But besides that we've gotten info directly from Boney talking about how Ulgu is multifaceted
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Elemental Ulgu is dawn and dusk and fog and shadow, and that doesn't really make for much of a personality. It's also confusion itself and the sensation of being lost, and that makes for people that embrace that emotion within themselves - wanderers, explorers, and esotericists. Mystical Ulgu is ambiguities and edge cases and misdirection, and it makes for mystics and showmen. Spies and assassins generally don't want to confuse people - they prefer them to be confidently wrong - and they absolutely don't want to be confused themselves. Spymasters would be a good fit for Ulgu, but that's generally not something you train someone up from scratch to be. It also makes for charlatans, but the Grey Order discourages that.

But that's not Ulgu's fundamental nature, that's the current mainstream Grey Order understanding of it. There are others. A lot of others. There's at least nine splinters of the Hedgefolk, some religious and some secular, there's the Shadow Warriors of Nagarythe, possibly the Mist Walkers of Yvresse and Mist Mages of Lothern, there's Ulgu-wielding Vampires, there's Spellsingers and Branchwraiths of Athel Loren, there's Bray-Shamans and Chaos Sorcerers and Kurgan Shamans that wield it. Morathi uses it. All have a different understanding of it, and most would argue quite strenuously that theirs is the truest.
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I think you could absolutely get a prideful Ulgu dragon
Shadowmagic doesn't mean it has to be a shy, shrinking violet, or recluse (though a lot of dragons are rather reclusive so I don't think it'd be a contradiction to have an Ulgu dragon who did prefer to stick out of sight and mind)
But you could just as easily get an Ulgu dragon who loves capturing and manipulating people's attention, focusing on grand displays of illusion and trickery
 
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I seem to have missed the talk about trade with Eonir but reading about it, I am left with the impression that a quest of Spice and Wolf in Warhammer setting would be scarily well fit.

Wolf gets run out of her territory by Ulrcan and/or Taalites for example and then joining the trader. Shit I want to read that.
 
I don't think Ulricans would be running away a wolf spirit.
Or Taalites for that matter, in general most communities in Warhammer would not be pissing of local harvest spirits the way the now seemingly monotheist farmers in Wolf and Spice did.

Though i don't think it would be too hard to come up with some other reason for a spirit to decide to travel around with a wandering merchant.
Maybe they just got bored, probably uncommon for spirits, but then stories tend to follow the out of the ordinary.
 
Tasoli said:
I seem to have missed the talk about trade with Eonir but reading about it, I am left with the impression that a quest of Spice and Wolf in Warhammer setting would be scarily well fit.

Wolf gets run out of her territory by Ulrcan and/or Taalites for example and then joining the trader. Shit I want to read that.
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I've had an idea rattling around the back of my head for a while now of a quest where you play as a Marienburg merchant, and the only way to save your House from destitution is to make it to Cathay and back with a wagonload of silk. The questers would have to plan out the journey leg by leg, so they'd start off by having to decide if they want to sail up the Reik to Altdorf and Nuln, then into the Karaz Ankor, or maybe they want follow the coast to Barak Varr and then through Mad Dog Pass in the Border Princes to avoid all the tariffs and taxes, or there's the high risk route though High Pass and into Uskulak, where they might be able to buy stolen silk for a small fortune, and then swiftly return and sell it for a large fortune.
 
BurnNote said:
No more than "the people I protected drove me away".
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Well, the ungrateful great great great grandchildren of the people i started protecting drove me away, and by drove i mean i stopped giving a fuck and decided to leave on my own.
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Everyone i knew and loved was murdered and i had nothing left to stay for.

I think the later is lot darker.
Of course Spice and Wolf did have the other fairly dark subplot about trying to find out what happened to all her old friends (i never read the series to the end, but i assume everyone died).
 
Valmond said:
Well, the ungrateful great great great grandchildren of the people i started protecting drove me away, and by drove i mean i stopped giving a fuck and decided to leave on my own.
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I think she still had friends in the community that tried to sell her to newfangled church I think.

Incidently zealous Sigmarites might work better as antagonist if we are not going with gribblies killed my village origin.
 
soulcake said:
What have they done recently?
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Burning down the ever living fuck out of Edgelords. The problem is that said edgelords insist on repeating the attempt to actually take their lawn...again. And do so regularly. Often using their own dragons. Worse, they tend to favor starting in a province that they happen to be located right next, meaning they tend to be the ones who are able respond to provide aid the fastest even without Dragons.
 
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Daedwartin said:
Burning down the ever living fuck out of Edgelords. The problem is that said edgelords insist on repeating the attempt to actually take their lawn...again. And do so regularly. Often using their own dragons. Worse, they tend to favor starting in a province that they happen to be located right next, meaning they tend to be the ones who are able respond to provide aid the fastest even without Dragons.
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The Druchii repeatedly land in Nagarythe, not next to Caledor.
 
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