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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Vhalidictes said:
The only winning option is not to play.
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The problem is that's giving up time to prepare for the next everchosen, because not playing means not acknowledging that the msg ever happened, right?

That does, in typical demon fashion, set up for a fall of crippling guilt and regret if an everchosen rises unheralded and people start dying for lack of warning.
 
Boney said:
There's a bunch of ways using necromancy. Outside of that, the Amethysts have a spell called The Animus Imprisoned that removes the soul from the body and stores it inside something, though it renders the soul helpless so you'd need someone else to do the squeezing part. It's also not a fun time for the subject.
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Right. Definitely not something to do unless we really, desperately needed a pocket dimension in our soul for some reason, and had an Amethyst Wizard we absolutely trusted. Or an elf who could probably do the same.

Too bad, really. Ranald would probably clap in awe if we made a loot bag in our soul.
 
NavySeel said:
You know what led to Archaon becoming Everchosen?
Finding out that he was supposed to be the Everchosen, but it's not the knowledge that did it, it's the fact that he decided to go with it. once Sigmar didn't answer one of his prayers.
"Oh if this is my Fate then there's no fighting it."
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Sounds like he got Curzed with becoming the Everchosen.
 
@Boney Does astral projection (like the Project Spirit and Hedgewalk spells I mentioned) also count as removing the soul from the body in a way that allows for AV-soul experimentation? If so, can the person under the spell also squeeze the AV, or would they need an assistant?

And of course, do those spells involve Dharing anyone with Arcane/Witch Marks who isn't a Celestial/Hedgewise?
 
NavySeel said:
You know what led to Archaon becoming Everchosen?
Finding out that he was supposed to be the Everchosen, but it's not the knowledge that did it, it's the fact that he decided to go with it. once Sigmar didn't answer one of his prayers.
"Oh if this is my Fate then there's no fighting it."

This feels like the opposite of what Mathilde's reaction would be, even if Ranald failed her, she feels far more like a "Rage against the dying of the light" kind of person.
And I seriously doubt Ranald would refuse to answer her like that, if anything he would like it, a chance to steal a potential everchosen.
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Wasn't Archeon like, basically a Tzeentch Daemon deciding the cheese prophecies by getting countless people who fulfill the criterion of the prophecy, then picking out the first person person who actually went all the way? Then warhammer players prophecy wasn't happy about this resulting in Archeon being dunked nonstop wherever he actually fought order.
 
Glau said:
The problem is that's giving up time to prepare for the next everchosen, because not playing means not acknowledging that the msg ever happened, right?

That does, in typical demon fashion, set up for a fall of crippling guilt and regret if an everchosen rises unheralded and people start dying for lack of warning.
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Which is why I disagree with that. The winning move is to dissect what was said, *use* the Sword of Judgement, and (like I did) determine how much of what was said was verifiable as lies (most of it), and put the rest in "could be true, indeterminate, assess later as more information comes in".
There's always a new Everchosen coming, the only thing unknown is the timetable, and Birdboi didn't say anything useful about that.
 
Instead of removing Mathilde's soul to sqeeze a Liminal realm inside it, what about taking out her soul to drip and transform AV into soulstuff?
 
Man, Tzeentch got a lot of juice out of one roll's worth of temptation. We're already jumping to direct soul experimentation.
 
Everything this daemon has said is bullshit. Its truth value is besides the point, the point is to make us act a certain way. As such, the best thing to do is continue what we were doing as planned.
 
Aranfan said:
Everything this daemon has said is bullshit. Its truth value is besides the point, the point is to make us act a certain way. As such, the best thing to do is continue what we were doing as planned.
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As Bird Friend helpfully points out, choosing to do nothing with the information given is still doing something with the information given
With its own consequences

Nice of it to complement the hat by the way
So few people ever appreciate it
I think the last person to acknowledge the hat just kinda stared and then pretended nothing had happened
 
StormySky said:
@Boney Does astral projection (like the Project Spirit and Hedgewalk spells I mentioned) also count as removing the soul from the body in a way that allows for AV-soul experimentation? If so, can the person under the spell also squeeze the AV, or would they need an assistant?

And of course, do those spells involve Dharing anyone with Arcane/Witch Marks who isn't a Celestial/Hedgewise?
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Both are spells that the caster uses on their own soul, rather than on another person, so you'd need an enchantment. Both spells also have built-in 'return soul to body' components that would be a lingering magical effect, so they'd interfere with trying to get Vitae inside the soul. It would be possible to create an enchantment without that part, which is the sort of request that makes people kinda leery. But yes, it would be theoretical possible. Arcane Marks wouldn't be a problem, they just disconnect the soul from the body, they don't affect the entirety of the soul.

Imugi said:
Instead of removing Mathilde's soul to sqeeze a Liminal realm inside it, what about taking out her soul to drip and transform AV into soulstuff?
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None of the experiments indicate that Vitae can transform into regular soulstuff. The experiment Mathilde performed was basically squeezing it with an extension of her soul, and it just got squeezed, it didn't become more soul.
 
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I think the best way to treat Birdboi is to basically recontextualize everything it said in the most monotone and boring manner, then evaluating that on it's own merits.
 
@Boney so... is this more, less or just the expected Thread panic that you predicted would happen with this update? :tongue:


Also, if I'm reading this right the new Trait means that if if we were to use Necromancy against, say, a Lord of Change's army we would have a total of +89 in our casting rolls? (29 Learning +20 Fated +20 Necromantic Insight +20 Dhar insight) Because wow, just wow Darth Mathilde is scary as hell... :grin:
 
Thinking about it, Why give Mathilde this offer then imply if she doesn't take it other bad people might get it.
The only reason I can see is to be to try to make Mathilde taking it seem like the better choice.

But if Mathilde is the one getting the offer first then she must be the one Tzeentch prefers to all the other ones.
So that means by not taking the offer she's actually making Chaos go with a less favourable option.
The other reason would be to sow doubt in her, and make her change her behaviour.

So the best line for us here is to not take this stupid offer and to just continue on our current path, acting like this never happened.
 
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I think the questionmarks in fated just mean we are more likely to cross paths of other candidates. Maybe.

Edit. Also yes, everything the bird said was specifically tailored to fuck with Mathilde on every aspect of her worldview.
 
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Magnos III said:
@Boney so... is this more, less or just the expected Thread panic that you predicted would happen with this update? :tongue:
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More or less.

Magnos III said:
Also, if I'm reading this right the new Trait means that if if we were to use Necromancy against, say, a Lord of Change's army we would have a total of +89 in our casting rolls? (29 Learning +20 Fated +20 Necromantic Insight +20 Dhar insight) Because wow, just wow Darth Mathilde is scary as hell... :grin:
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If the new trait stuck around through Mathilde turning Necromancy on a Lord of Change's army, yes.
 
Shard said:
I think the best way to treat Birdboi is to basically recontextualize everything it said in the most monotone and boring manner, then evaluating that on it's own merits.
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I think the best way is to recontextualize it all as worthless and ignore it.
Any piece of information it gives is something it wants us to know and wants to effect our decision making, so we don't let it.
Engaging with Tzeentchian stuff literally never goes well for anyone, so we just don't.
 
Boney said:
The only possible follow-up Mathilde can think of would require a sturdier reality to perform it in, so the tech tree can be considered complete and all the theoretical research a book would require is done, and weaponization is off the table.
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What did we learn in the last update that let us know we can't weaponise AV? I'm not sure if it's because of a risk of daemons or because how AV functions simply means it can't be made a weapon.
 
NavySeel said:
Thinking about it, Why give Mathilde this offor then imply if she doesn't take it other bad people might get it.
The only reason I can see is to be to try to make MAthilde taking it seem like the better choice.

But if Mathilde is the one getting the offer first then she must be the one Tzeentch prefers to all the other ones.
So that means by not taking the offer she's actually making Chaos go with a less favourable option.
The other reason would be to sow doubt in her, and makeher change her behaviour.

So the best line for us here is to not take this stupid offer and to just continue on our current path, acting like this never happened.
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The oldest scam in the book: getting someone to do something or invest into something now because otherwise you'll miss out and not be able to get it. Act now!
 
Boney said:
None of the experiments indicate that Vitae can transform into regular soulstuff. The experiment Mathilde performed was basically squeezing it with an extension of her soul, and it just got squeezed, it didn't become more soul.
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Hm. Perhaps there's a boundary to the soul, an... absolute territory? So all we need is to find a way to cut the 'skin' of the soul.
 
Whassup said:
Gotta miscast them all.

What's next on miscast list?
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Gut Magic, maybe? Or the other chaos sorceries.

Something like
Maw's Indigestion: +10 to dispel and induce miscasts against gut magic. Enemies that miscast gut magic due to your interference must roll twice of on the miscast table and take the worse result.

Herd immunity: +15 to dispel and induce miscasts against Nurglian chaos sorcery. Allies within 20 feet of you may add +5 to the next martial roll they take against Nurgle's daemons or enemies that carry his mark.

Magically boring: +10 to dispel and induce miscasts against Slaaneshi chaos sorcery. If you successfully dispel of induce a miscast in an enemy using this trait, then they will redirect their focus toward another target if one is available.
 
Andres said:
What did we learn in the last update that let us know we can't weaponise AV? I'm not sure if it's because of a risk of daemons or because how AV functions simply means it can't be made a weapon.
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There's nothing left to throw at the wall and see what sticks. Everything that might have been throwable has now been tested for how sticky it might be, and none of the ways to weaponize it are anywhere near as valuable as the uses Mathilde has uncovered.
 
This is Warhammer.. not Skyrim..

Our magic have very realistic chance of turning us into shadow.

Or worse.. and this time.. we roll a 1.

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And im damned glad we have a non-zero chance of being corrupted or worse.

This is exiting.
 
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