Finally someone asking the important questions.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Indeed. It was great, and yeah Chaos is screwing us over to an unknown degree, but that is what Chaos does.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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This is a very good point. We walk in and say "hey, so I just got proof that I do, in fact, have Tzeentch's attention, mind checking me", and it probably wouldn't go further than that. He already expected it, and the Greys can just keep an even closer eye on her just in case.
They're probably even telling the truth that they'd let her resist, if she wanted to. Unfortunately, by the time she got there, she wouldn't want to.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
If it was Tzeentch then they'd definitely want both outcomes, plus at least half a dozen more. With this 'just' being one of their demons, it might not be quite so convoluted- it might actually prefer one outcome over the other.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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We would definitely need to do quite a bit of studying on the matter before trying that again- just because Teclis could do it doesn't mean it'd be a good idea to try any time soon.
People make Liminal Realms all the time. Forests make them. The Grey College is inside one. Algard has spend most of his career tinkering with them, and his main achievement is interdimensional filling cabinets. I think most people will be fine if they properly respect the fact that they are weakening the border between two worlds. We didn't know we were going to do that, so we didn't respect it, and now we got to deal with the consequences of that.
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Also, on infohazards: Some of the infohazards the demon presented are kinda unavoidable, because we already received them.
The demon is trying to influence us with stuff like "ah, you're an everchosen candidate!", "egrimm and alric were also candidates", and so on, but that's stuff we were already speculating on, or knew from canon.
We've already integrated the infohazards the demon wished to influence us with into our decisionmaking, before we even met it. Our metaknowledge has essentially become another vector through which the demon can influence us.
The demon is trying to influence us with stuff like "ah, you're an everchosen candidate!", "egrimm and alric were also candidates", and so on, but that's stuff we were already speculating on, or knew from canon.
We've already integrated the infohazards the demon wished to influence us with into our decisionmaking, before we even met it. Our metaknowledge has essentially become another vector through which the demon can influence us.
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Fun times.
Me too. Our hat IS nice. Very ironic.
Well I think the gray college exists in a laminar realm as well. So it's not automatically a chaos portal.
Though comparing our own abilities to Teclis... teclis is way, way better at magic than us.
I know! And thanks Grandpa. You always know just what to say.
I can't believe more people aren't talking about.
This seems like a HUGE deal.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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Honestly, unless Chaos Gods provide their blessings in the form of AP boosters per turn, I can't really be bothered to consider becoming an Everchosen. Like, for what?
Sell me on this, Chaos voter gang, cuz the eye kinda didn't, for me?
Sell me on this, Chaos voter gang, cuz the eye kinda didn't, for me?
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
Honestly, I figure we just put it in the book, and hand off responsibility for it off to other people who don't have a Bird just waiting for them in particular to try again, much like with the rest of AV's uses.
Aren't daemons just a part of the bigger gods, at least the aligned ones? Or is that only in 40k? I can't remember.
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Of course it's Tzeentch that meta games. Turning our own trick on us.
FriedIce
The Authentic Fake
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- Hyperreality
So I totally accept this from an in universe perspective and I agree it makes for compelling storytelling. I'm not complaining about the outcome.
My point is that it falling out of a single roll personally feels disempowering and unfair. It invokes the same feeling in me as when a D&D GM will screw your character over because of a single roll. For example miscasts feel fair because say we roll a Nat 1, we screw up our spell, then we get to roll for 'is this serious' and then again for 'which mark do you get, some of which are positive'.
I'm sorry I don't really know how to describe it and I can tell I'm in a minority compared to the rest of the thread who are loving the twist.
Thank you for being so willing to engage. I thought the update was wonderfully written, as always, btw.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
One implication from this- unrelated to the demon stuff- is that Teclis is either capable of inducing the 'not quite magic' state on the winds through his own power, or has his own supply of AV. This is two techniques now we know he's used that are directly related to/can only access via use of AV (orbs and liminal realm creation), so while we can't be sure that he's actually doing the same thing it does carry implications.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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...Right, should have thought of that. Yeah, that might do it. "Hey uhh, I made a very small liminal realm but I closed it right after for fear of what it might attract without any proper defenses."
If it helps, Boney also said this:
I think it is distantly possible that, if we annoy or bore Tzeentch enough, the trait could go away. But then again, that might involve swearing off of magic entirely, so shrug. We have to deal with the realities of our situation. Magic in warhammer is always dangerous. Always. We forget that from time to time because Ranald laughs with us from time to time.
I truly hate (in a Watsonian sense, I'm loving this Doylistically) that Mathilde was read like a book as far as her deeds go, and some of her personality. I really do hate that we're already proving this goose right that we are already dwelling and obsessing over the most inane statements it makes because that is our nature as someone who has taken in Ulgu into our souls (and also being a quest thread).
But the birb did not touch into anything really meaningful of Mathilde as a person, only of her deeds. It didn't say anything about being someone who loves a really hardcore farmer girl, or how she loves making puns, or all the more positive or petty aspects of her that still make her who she is.
The only aspect of that whole monologue that I think is fully 100% right is that the purpose of our Order is to be the little 'no' in the darkness.
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
I'm honestly amused that we got the worst possible result of both those dice. Any of the other gods would have been so much easier to deal with, especially for a fucking Grey Wizard.
MiracleGrow
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Anyways to give my proper thoughts on this update. There is something I've said a lot in the 40k and Fantasy fandom back in the day. Demons need to be scarier. But not in the way of terrible overwhelming power, mind bending existences, and what not. But what they most often lack is suspense! This was a pretty suspenseful chapter! I don't want to far onto a tangent about the role of suspense in horror. But it makes the monster finally showing up all that awful. This made a foe who 'felt absent' from the story all the more dangerous in the readers mind.
Anyways one of my fav updates, great work.
Anyways one of my fav updates, great work.
What's falling out? We got a bad trait from the worst outcome of a science experiment. I'm fine with that. This is a minor setback.
Seconding this, fuckin S-Grade monologue and finally a nemesis that knows who we are.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
As I understand it they're part of the god, but more in the same way an employee is part of a company than being a hive-mind with it. They can have their own private agendas, personality, etc, unrelated to their progenitor.
Blackout
Fed By Comments
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- Who knows?
Trying to figure out what Tzeentch wants is easy, he wants every option all at once. His plan goes off without a hitch? Great, now he gets to make a new plan undoing the old plan. If you foiled his plan, you just saved him the trouble so he can make another plan about something else.
He doesn't actually want to win, he wants to keep making plans forever and ever and ever.
He's like an aethyric Rubi Goldberg machine, a monkey with a typewriter churning out endless elaborate plans that all contradict each other, just for the sake of planning.
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There are three things I take from this update. Maybe in time therell be more.
First, we now know A way to create a liminal realm. Neat. Id like to do some follow up on that. (emphasis on a because theres certainly more ways, were most likely the only ones with AV)
Second, were now watched by Tzenntch. Not that we werent interesting before, but now we got his attention. Neat. That can only mean were going to live in interesting times
Third, I think everyone needs to take a step back, take a deep breath and calm down. Aside from my second point, were basically fine.
Aside from major paranoia, but thats par for the course. What just occurred is comparable to a really major miscast, but thats something that happens. Its an occupational risk for wizards. Even a miscast on a minor spell can spiral out of control and rip a minor tear into reality. If youre really unlucky. Until now we were pretty lucky with that, but its basically the same thing that happened with the Asp before the quest even started. A paranoia spiral helps no one and only builds frustration.
First, we now know A way to create a liminal realm. Neat. Id like to do some follow up on that. (emphasis on a because theres certainly more ways, were most likely the only ones with AV)
Second, were now watched by Tzenntch. Not that we werent interesting before, but now we got his attention. Neat. That can only mean were going to live in interesting times
Third, I think everyone needs to take a step back, take a deep breath and calm down. Aside from my second point, were basically fine.
Aside from major paranoia, but thats par for the course. What just occurred is comparable to a really major miscast, but thats something that happens. Its an occupational risk for wizards. Even a miscast on a minor spell can spiral out of control and rip a minor tear into reality. If youre really unlucky. Until now we were pretty lucky with that, but its basically the same thing that happened with the Asp before the quest even started. A paranoia spiral helps no one and only builds frustration.