Is the part that you don't like that Mathilde got a phone call from a smug bird, or the fact that she is outright better at magic under certain circumstances? Because if it's not either of those things, then I can't really respond to whatever it is you don't like, because I didn't write it, you've just assumed it.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Is the part that you don't like that Mathilde got a phone call from a smug bird, or the fact that she is outright better at magic under certain circumstances? Because if it's not either of those things, then I can't really respond to whatever it is you don't like, because I didn't write it, you've just assumed it.
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Hmm... This seems familiar.
Ah, that's where she's heard this before. Wonder if Mathilde will put the pieces together and realize that deathfang's story might be more true than she thought - or at least that it refers to true events, even if not 100% accurate in the telling. This feels like the sort of thing that could potentially lead to all sorts of insights if we can figure out any means of pursuing this further. Maybe it will lead Mathilde towards the geomantic web the Old Ones left behind, given we're already web-adjacent with the waystone project. Hopefully we manage something at least.
I think we just figured out part of how Teclis created the colleges. If we combine this with Teclis having Orbs of Sorcery, I think it is a fair assumption that Teclis - and by estension the Asur in general - have their own means of producing AV. I'm betting it relates to hunting apparitions/demons and slowly bleeding it out of them one apparition's worth at a time, though given they can do high magic they might also just be able to compress/transform the winds back into their primordial state in a way humans with marks cannot. Either way, good information to know.
*Put's on devil's advocate hat.*
Ok so you want AP right? Well here's the low down.
Sword training, pistol training? Never need to bother with that again. You're in the Everchosen bowl! You will automatically level up combat skill basically every year or die due to constant combat.
Hey all those things you had to study alone? Well with your new legions of subordinates you can hand off literally anything, no need to worry about things like "ethical concerns","will this make my collaborators explode" "will they try to burn me on a pyre". Vastly more efficient than working alone or with one or two partners. Remember how Matty needed to spend all that time experimenting with AV's effects bugs and lizards to see what it might do to living beings? Skip all that, just give it to a "volunteer".
Other good news, joining Chaos has put many of those projects behind you. Elfcation? Well if you still desire to visit no need to worry about being alone and vulnerable, you can bring along a whole army of meat shields, both necromatic and chaotic. AV? No need to worry about limited stock, we have all the warp juice you want on tap and limitless
But above all, the hell of the Warp is timeless. Unbounded by the burden of causality. A hundred years of researching in the warp might pass in the blink of an eye to the mortal world. You thought you were living in AP hell, but in truth Hell is AP!
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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It's not a mutation.
(Also, the 'Bear Piss Cure' gives the mutation a chance to come back any time you strongly exert yourself)
Algard famously wears a blue scarf, right? I wonder if he's ever had a demon compliment it before?
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
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Well your post makes a lot of sense and does reassure me that informing Algard is a good idea.
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The Chaos Bowl is always happening, and will finish once all but one candidate dies or turns down the offer.
And it also has immortal contenders like Drycha. To be fair, it might not end in our lifetimes.
there was a time when the colleges didn't exist and there are those who want to return to that time.
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Second comment on a day nice.
Boney I loved the update I really did I had tons of fun and I'm definitely re-reading this one a lot. so thank you for the update.
I only have a question
So if we had roll like 100 we would have created the tiny liminal realm without the daemon?
Also, guys just don't panic we are not the only one that has had this kind of thing happening just ignore it.
Don't believe Chaos own hype and just do your own thing. and were good.
If everyone really feels so paranoid let's just grind Piety for a turn.
Boney I loved the update I really did I had tons of fun and I'm definitely re-reading this one a lot. so thank you for the update.
I only have a question
So if we had roll like 100 we would have created the tiny liminal realm without the daemon?
Also, guys just don't panic we are not the only one that has had this kind of thing happening just ignore it.
Don't believe Chaos own hype and just do your own thing. and were good.
If everyone really feels so paranoid let's just grind Piety for a turn.
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
Mm, making the Orbs with the daemon of blood that started this mess might be a little sketchy. Just a bit. Then again, we've had the shit in our basement for… what, almost two decades now? And this is the first time it's done something like this, even though we already started testing the basic process for Orbs.
I totally wouldn't be surprised if we have to give up our notes on the AV though, unless we just… don't mention it was how we made a liminal realm until we drop the book fully.
Drycha lost, the Four have no interest in her anymore. She can't win the Everbowl, because the judges disqualified her—just as they disqualified Egrimm and Alric.
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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- Czech Republic
And you base this on words of a liar?
Your first assumption is that they were entrants in the first place. Its a nice way to throw some suspicion on Egrimm and Alric.
The second assumption is that if they were, indeed, entrants, they are now disqualified.
The bird has said a lot, but none of it is actionable, because every single word could've been a lie. Or was true. And we will never know. Thats how he gets us. We act on it, we lose. We don't act on it, we lose too. Ultimately we should just chart our course as we did before this happened. Can't do much about it.
Would she get a phonecall from big angry red man if we rolled Khorne? I just can't imagine that he of all people would offer a wizard a job. I assume we would either get face full of sword, or barbed compliments on swordplay.
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The realm being created is just what happens when you do that thing. The dice roll was for how well getting there goes. I don't know what the 100 would have been, because I would have had to take some time to think about it.
Sure, and those people would have to go up against many of the most powerful people in the empire to go back to that time.
I'm not saying we walk up to the nearest witch hunter and say 'Hey dude, a demon said I'm gonna be the next everchosen'
I'm saying we talk to people like our mentor or Algard who aren't into the whole 'murder wizards for the tiniest reason' thing
Blackout
Fed By Comments
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If you trust a Daemon of Tzeentch. Who would definitely have no possible motivation to lie about who could become an Everchosen.
And even then:
His ruffled feathers appear smoothed. It's deliberately playing ambiguous to sow doubt in Mathilde, which is exactly what it said it was going to do.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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Algard: Ah, Lady Magister Weber. What brings you to my door?
Mathilde: Well, I've got some discoveries to drop on you, one successful, and one failure.
Algard: Ah. Did you... take care of it this time?
Mathilde: That remains to be seen. I can tell you that I now know the method for creating Orbs of Sorcery, and can do it quite simply, given time. Thats the success. I'll explain the details after I'm done talking failure. managed to create my own Liminal Realm. The amount of compressed magic involved manifested a daemon of the Changer, who decided it wanted to verbally fuck with me. "Control my mind through my ears only," it said. I might need to be re-vetted.
Mathilde: Well, I've got some discoveries to drop on you, one successful, and one failure.
Algard: Ah. Did you... take care of it this time?
Mathilde: That remains to be seen. I can tell you that I now know the method for creating Orbs of Sorcery, and can do it quite simply, given time. Thats the success. I'll explain the details after I'm done talking failure. managed to create my own Liminal Realm. The amount of compressed magic involved manifested a daemon of the Changer, who decided it wanted to verbally fuck with me. "Control my mind through my ears only," it said. I might need to be re-vetted.
Ranald pokes his head out
"Should I put the kettle on?"
While we've largely went "Yeah this guy is trying to make us paranoid" and "We shouldn't listen to what he says. Or do anything rash." I think he also wants us to react not just with paranoia but with secretiveness.
i.e. I think it's plausible that he's not just aiming to instill doubt in us... but to trigger "We must keep this secret; we can't tell anybody! What if the Grey Order kill us?" in us. Which I think is bullshit; as I quoted in my previous post, Algard had brought up the possibility/likelihood of us having the attention of the Plotter, and so on. This even is just confirmation that, yeah, we do have his attention.
I think there might be a similar thing for Tzeentchian Daemons too. Maybe they can just sort of cast doubt or temptation unto people or something.
Or maybe the Daemon has a dossier on us, and is pretty good at cold-reading too.
It's because you don't waste your time and energy on those who you already control; you expend effort and bait on those who AREN'T under your control yet.
It's simple tactics or economics! (Or economy of action?) It's not "Because it amuses them." It's because they are always on the lookout for number one, and that means expanding their influence; and people who live in a society that is twisted towards their design? That's a society, a people, that they don't need to expend any more effort on.
And this bullshit about "If you were in charge of the world, your will would be paramount; not because you'd be stronger, but because the Four would be interested in what you would do"? Well, ask Be'lakor how well that worked out for him. He reigned as king for a while. Until suddenly he wasn't anymore. He went from being the first and most blessed, to the Four spreading the blessings among many others. While that is mythology and a bit uncertain of veracity, I think it's probably a good lesson anyway.
The 4 are in it for themselves. They aren't going to honor deals unless they have to honor them, and only so long as it profits them to honor them. And also, there was a comment about how they were the sort of being that wouldn't pick a deal that profited them 99% if it profited somebody else even 1%. Which means any deal they offer is ultimately bullshit in some way.
And, well, of course they would delight in "somebody who puts the chain on themselves" as opposed to those who have to be ground down first! Why wouldn't you be delighted to have somebody save you all the trouble and effort and become your slave of their own free will? It's, again, not a matter of amusement (thought it probably does make them laugh if people fall for some kind of "it's inevitable, man" shtick) it's a matter of "If I can get something for absolutely free, why wouldn't I want it way more than having to work my butt off for it?"
i.e. I think it's plausible that he's not just aiming to instill doubt in us... but to trigger "We must keep this secret; we can't tell anybody! What if the Grey Order kill us?" in us. Which I think is bullshit; as I quoted in my previous post, Algard had brought up the possibility/likelihood of us having the attention of the Plotter, and so on. This even is just confirmation that, yeah, we do have his attention.
Here's a thought; this Daemon wasn't monologuing us, it cast a "make a person's inner doubts and paranoia act up on them" spiel. i.e. Maybe it didn't know all that we had done, but instead just hit us with a Cast Doubt/Paranoia whammy? Okay it's probably not quite that, because our belt would have bounced any such spell but. You know how the Daemonette appeared as a bunch of different people or things, ranging from people to books of knowledge or whatever? And how the Higher Daemon seemed to have eyes that'd be able to promise anything 'though at the moment it only promises pain'?
I think there might be a similar thing for Tzeentchian Daemons too. Maybe they can just sort of cast doubt or temptation unto people or something.
Or maybe the Daemon has a dossier on us, and is pretty good at cold-reading too.
People have mused on this paragraph as meaning "The Chaos Gods really favor and/or are amused by those who can say 'No' to them" but personally, I think that's bullshit it is peddling.
See, I've had a different idea about why the Chaos Gods would expend little effort or favor on those who already have no choice to but to obey them, like Fimir or Beastmen.
It's because you don't waste your time and energy on those who you already control; you expend effort and bait on those who AREN'T under your control yet.
It's simple tactics or economics! (Or economy of action?) It's not "Because it amuses them." It's because they are always on the lookout for number one, and that means expanding their influence; and people who live in a society that is twisted towards their design? That's a society, a people, that they don't need to expend any more effort on.
And this bullshit about "If you were in charge of the world, your will would be paramount; not because you'd be stronger, but because the Four would be interested in what you would do"? Well, ask Be'lakor how well that worked out for him. He reigned as king for a while. Until suddenly he wasn't anymore. He went from being the first and most blessed, to the Four spreading the blessings among many others. While that is mythology and a bit uncertain of veracity, I think it's probably a good lesson anyway.
The 4 are in it for themselves. They aren't going to honor deals unless they have to honor them, and only so long as it profits them to honor them. And also, there was a comment about how they were the sort of being that wouldn't pick a deal that profited them 99% if it profited somebody else even 1%. Which means any deal they offer is ultimately bullshit in some way.
And, well, of course they would delight in "somebody who puts the chain on themselves" as opposed to those who have to be ground down first! Why wouldn't you be delighted to have somebody save you all the trouble and effort and become your slave of their own free will? It's, again, not a matter of amusement (thought it probably does make them laugh if people fall for some kind of "it's inevitable, man" shtick) it's a matter of "If I can get something for absolutely free, why wouldn't I want it way more than having to work my butt off for it?"
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- Argentina
The rest of the contenders could be immortal. That is my argument. The Chaos Bowl could last far too long to matter.
[JK] Accept the call, take up your crown, and claim your rightful place as the next Everchosen.
And your assumption is that what the demon said can only be lies. Truth isn't good or pure, truth is dangerous, and it'll be a foolish birdman who doesn't use it to full effect.
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- She/Her
Technically speaking, this does mean the action was a success. Technically. The baggage it came with is really, really awful, though.
These are all parts of dropped questlines we're encountering. The main meta-plot of the Divided Loyalties videogame is conniving you way into one of several flavors of world-dominating power. Working with the forces of Order legitimately is a viable playstyle, but the quests are all designed for betrayal and/or consuming various energy fields bigger than your head.
Edit: Removed a bit that was actually nonsensical on reflection.
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NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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Basically, this result (suddenly demons) wasn't because of the liminal realm itself per say, but because we got really unlucky with who happened to be hanging around on the other side to watch as we did it?
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- Chicago
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- She/They
The problem with that is that all of the temptations, and potential lies about our friends and enemies and deeds- all of that is in the context of the game that is the chosing of the next everchosen. So either everything that was said was weird pointless lies, or else the common thread through all of the rest is true, to sell you on the lies that are packaged on top of it.
The only other real point was that we just created a magic gate behind all the dwarves' defenses and they are going to be pissed about that, which seems very hard to dismiss as a lie.
So, bit bigger I guess.
Do we keep this secret from Belegar? Or do we badly damage the relationship with our closest ally and greatest supporter?
That's one dilemma.
Do we tell the colleges we heard from a greater demon of sorcery? Before or after we reveal our "miraculous" new orbs of sorcery?
Second dilemma.
Do we tell anyone else? Can we trust them not to tell anyone else?
Third dilemma.
This catches us nearly in the jaws of the trap that we laid back when we read the liber mortis. Even if we are completely untainted and with no residual effects from hearing from the demon, the process of being looked into isn't something Mathilde can be sure she'll get out of alive- there is at least one other burn worthy secret she's been keeping.