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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Boney said:
The assumption that Tzeentch, God of Sorcery, needs to mutate Mathilde for Tzeentchian sorcery to like her, is one that perhaps could use some reexamination.
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Thanks for responding Boney. My issue isn't actually the outcome which could be interesting (and on reflection your point about Tzeetchian sorcery is fair) - but rather the way we got there.

This all falling out of a single Nat 1 with no opportunity for saving rolls or other diety interventions personally feels disempowering and unfair as a quester. It's also not how you've historically done high impact events - which imo an Exalted of Change interrupt counts as. If I could rerun it I'd ask for a Ranald interrupt roll and maybe a very high DC Ancestor God interrupt roll and if we failed both of those then, well thats the dice.
 
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FriedIce said:
Thanks for responding Boney. My issue isn't actually the outcome which could be interesting (and on reflection your point about Tzeetchian sorcery is fair) - but rather the way we got there.

This all falling out of a single Nat 1 with no opportunity for saving rolls or other diety interventions personally feels disempowering and unfair as a quester. It's also not how you've historically done high impact events - which an Exalted of Change definitely counts as. If I could rerun it I'd ask for a Ranald interrupt roll and maybe a very high DC Ancestor God interrupt roll and if we failed both of those then, well thats the dice.
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There's nothing for Ranald or Valaya to do here. This is Tzeentch making his own magic aid Mathilde. There's no power on the planet or the Aethyr that can control Tzeentch's magic to not do that.
 
FriedIce said:
Thanks for responding Boney. My issue isn't actually the outcome which could be interesting (and on reflection your point about Tzeetchian sorcery is fair) - but rather the way we got there.

This all falling out of a single Nat 1 with no opportunity for saving rolls or other diety interventions personally feels disempowering and unfair as a quester. It's also not how you've historically done high impact events - which imo an Exalted of Change interrupt counts as. If I could rerun it I'd ask for a Ranald interrupt roll and maybe a very high DC Ancestor God interrupt roll and if we failed both of those then, well thats the dice.
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There do seem to have been other behind-the-scenes rolls, though. It took Boney a while between the initial nat 1 and later unwanted visitors one, and he mentioned some others making things interesting and delaying the update.
 
Gentlemen, we got a psychological attack from birdbrain. He didn't touch our soul. He just made us incredibly paranoid.

Anything we do to follow on this is most definitely his plan. We need to ignore this.
 
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Do you know what the word in Reichspeil is for Potential Dark Wizard is?
"Wizard".
Do you know when they learned that chaos would like to corrupt us?
The day we were born.
We shouldn't talk about it, because we do not spread infohazards around willy-nilly, but every wizard could potentially be corrupted, and Chaos would prefer to corrupt literally everything, so that info isn't particularly sensetive.
 
Voikirium said:
This is when we discover the secret romance between Snorri Whitebeard's sister/daughter/other and Malekith and actually the Sundering was because the Elves didn't want the son of Aenarion marrying a Dwarf :V
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Coward.

Malekith was secretly pining for Snorri the entire time and could never bring himself to admit it to him before he died. Thus cementing his fall.

Its just like Anime, where the two best friends are a better ship than the actual romance between the MC and female lead.
 
FriedIce said:
Thanks for responding Boney. My issue isn't actually the outcome which could be interesting (and on reflection your point about Tzeetchian sorcery is fair) - but rather the way we got there.

This all falling out of a single Nat 1 with no opportunity for saving rolls or other diety interventions personally feels disempowering and unfair as a quester. It's also not how you've historically done high impact events - which an Exalted of Change definitely counts as. If I could rerun it I'd ask for a Ranald interrupt roll and maybe a very high DC Ancestor God interrupt roll and if we failed both of those then, well thats the dice.
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Can you expand a bit on what it is you think is 'falling out' here?
 
Eh, honestly the most surprising thing here is that it took this long for Mathilde to start attracting explicit attention.

Like, Karak Vlag, that time Mathilde and Ranald participated in a wrestling match against Khorne and his daemon before a babushka with a divine equivalent of a steel chair entered the ring, stopping the killings by one of the Everchosen candidates.

It's not that I think the eye of Tzeench is lying, precisely, for all I know it was telling nothing but the truth the entire time, it's just I think it's not really relevant? I dunno about anybody else, but I feel like Mathilde has too many responsibilities at the moment to up and start participating in the Thirteenth Grand Everchosen Bowl Tournament. This job offer was intriguing, we're going to get back to you later, once we have freed up some AP and graduated Eike.

The only thing that changed is that Mathilde is very probably going to have daemons of Tzeench fucking with her every now and then. Which, again, considering her lifestyle, was almost inevitable as long as she continued surviving her wacky adventures.

I'm not trying to trivialize the problem, but it's almost by definition an occupational hazard of being a successful wizard. Let's try not to get Eike caught up in this, like Regimand did with us.

one thing, though, fuck you, weird daemon eye thingy, hatwear fashion is rightfully private business of every person and your opinion is not only unwelcome, but irrelevant.
 
FriedIce said:
Thanks for responding Boney. My issue isn't actually the outcome which could be interesting (and on reflection your point about Tzeetchian sorcery is fair) - but rather the way we got there.

This all falling out of a single Nat 1 with no opportunity for saving rolls or other diety interventions personally feels disempowering and unfair as a quester. It's also not how you've historically done high impact events - which imo an Exalted of Change interrupt counts as. If I could rerun it I'd ask for a Ranald interrupt roll and maybe a very high DC Ancestor God interrupt roll and if we failed both of those then, well thats the dice.
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It was a place noted to be completely closed off from other magics, and the bird was just working through the hole. Anyone else would have had to go past him, and there'a not a lot getting past Tzeentch.

Also, just to make sure, you did see the d6 roll, right? Presumably a five or a ten total—since it had a +4–would have a non-chaos god showing up, since 6 through 9 are their sacred numbers.
 
Shane_357 said:
It's Clan Mors, and a reveal that The Four have been trying to get Skaven to abandon the Horned Rat and join them (the apostasy bit), which we foiled. Interesting.
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That's not a reveal. The holy texts of Clan Pestilens was "stolen" from Nurgle worshippers, and the legacy title of the Clan's leader is Lord Nurglitch. Gramps has been gunning for the rats ever since they decided that three was important in their numerology.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
How fitting considering how old this work of ours is.

Anyways, we appear to have been given the poisoned offer of using Chaos to prevent Chaos from being the worst Chaos it can be as the latest Everchosen.

Needless to say, I think everyone is genre savvy enough to recall how those things tend to go, of becoming evil to stop a greater (at the time) foretold evil.
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I mean I'm not advocating for it but IIRC weren't some people in thread talking about some wizard from the Gotrek and Felix novels that actually succeeded in turning the tools of chaos against the (got exiled for his illegal experiments and allowed back again when it was proved they worked)?

So it's technically not as impossible as simple genre savviness might imply.

That said, Mathilde the Everchosen is never happening outside of omakes.
Boney said:
You got the result - compressing Vitae creates a liminal realm. You just also got a giggling birdman standing next to it and saying "dare you enter my magical realm?"
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Soooo.... we can create college/Glittering realm whenever we want at the cost of extremely annoying neighbours who might try and break in? I'll take that result. Since the demon was trying to worry us about it being a vector for assault on 8-peaks maybe we can talk to Gazul's priesthood? Isn't he the Dwarf ancestor god in charge of keeping the warp out of their afterlife?
 
Garlak said:
So... anybody wanna bet this is something like "chance to miscast" or "chance to get Daemonic attention, or get more paranoia-inducing head-whispers again" or something?
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Yeah, I think it'd make most sense, thematically speaking, for the ??? to be something along the lines of 'it is easier for other people to counterspell you and induce miscasts'. It would mean the trait would heighten Mathilde's highs and lower her lows when around Tzeentch. Suddenly, if she's next to a Tzeentchian sorcerer casting spells, people have a Mathildebane trait (which is bad if also hilarious).

...On an entirely unrelated note, I will say that the best way to fight Tzeentchian daemons and sorcerers is to give them a sword to the face, and that spellcasting against them is likely doomed anyway, so if we do meet one of those, we should just avoid spellcasting. I will also note that we've been floating the idea of using two personal actions next turn to finish up our Greatsword skill up to Master. Just saying.

Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Hey guys, are we sure that's Kairos? He has two heads who alternate speaking (and according to some sources, one lies and one tells the truth). This guy quite clearly had just one personality. Also the "Architect of Fate" thing is Tzeentch's title, and as such can apply to all Lords of Change.

I think this might have been Sarthorael the Everwatcher, who Tzeentch sends to test Everchosen candidates for their worthiness.
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It implied it's a Lord of Change but didn't actually say so. But honestly, if I was Tzeentch I wouldn't send something lesser to tempt an Everchosen candidate. Whether it's Kairos or someone else, who actually knows.

...Another downside to this: how the hell will we write this up in the AV book? "Don't attempt to use powerstone-creation methods, it explodes"? If someone tests that out, they'll notice that you have a way to make a liminal realm, though not filled with anything and thus liable to get demons acting through it.

If given the choice, will we want to re-do this action with The Gambler? Is it possible to get a follow-up action (how do you fill up a Liminal Realm with what you want it to)?

Will we want to write the AV book once all this is done?
 
Raiseth said:
Eh, honestly the most surprising thing here is that it took this long for Mathilde to start attracting explicit attention.
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Note, the Eye said she already had drawn explicit attention, and was in fact on the short list for "most attention possible". Bird boy was just the first one to get her alone and not actively fucking with his plans in that moment so he could let her know. Also is just the kind of asshole who knows that telling her is as harmful as it is helpful.
 
Humbaba said:
I mean I'm not advocating for it but IIRC weren't some people in thread talking about some wizard from the Gotrek and Felix novels that actually succeeded in turning the tools of chaos against the (got exiled for his illegal experiments and allowed back again when it was proved they worked)?
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He also uses multiple Winds, which Boney has indicated multiple times isn't going to be a thing College wizards manage to do in-quest.
 
Honestly, I don't think we need to worry too much. We got a weird trait, but it's kinda passive, and we (the thread) already knew about the Everchosen thing and often joked about it being Mathilde.

We should just keep going as we are—not ignoring the bird man, but not letting him influence us either. And if the Worst Demon tries to stick a crown on our head, we'll just stab his face a lot. Simples.
 
Tomcost said:
Anything we do to follow on this is most definitely his plan. We need to ignore this.
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My worry is that ignoring it ends up causing a problem, at which point Shit-Birb comes in and goes "Oh noes! How terrible. If only someone- Not naming any names - was able to stop that using incredible chaotic sorcerous power".

The problem with temptation is that it's tempting. And yeah, the right answer is just saying 'Flock off Featherface', but that's exactly why they're going to do their damndest to make us give in.


having had a bit of time from the update, whilst I'm sure we're not turbofucked and being overly paranoid will be a bad move, it does feel like actually trying to figure our where we stand and whether or not we can reveal this without being either burned or put under permanent house arrest is tricky.

Which is, presumably, the point. Fucking Goose.


On the plus side, we can totally burn the Liber mortis with no reprcussions, given we've memorised it. Unless we get memory scanned or something. The ring is a little harder to explain though. Maybe accept that line of research died when we got an Everchosen chaped target painted on our back, idk.
 
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