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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Redshirt Army said:
In any case, while a hypothetical Witch Hunter reading Mathilde's diary could likely point to several violations of the "no touchy Dhar" rule, I do think that it's an important character beat for Mathilde that she has so far refused to break that rule by her own standards.

Even if we did our Second Secret testing in a perfectly isolated area where nobody would ever track it back to us and our belt burnt away all the Dhar before it could have any magically corruptive effect, that would still be Mathilde deciding that Yes Actually I Can Handle The Dark Magic, It Needed To Be Done, Why Can't They See That.

And from there it's only a short hop to I'll Show Them All. :V
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I'm not convinced it would be such a slippery slope, but I do agree that it's an important character beat for Mathilde that she's thus far refused to break that rule by her own standards, yeah.
 
infinityDivided said:
Is that ever going to happen to Mathilde? I thought she was becoming ageless. Like, isn't our endgame to become some sort of Ulgu-being?
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Boney said:
IMO, incredibly advanced mastery of any wind of magic can lead to immortality as long as you don't mind the trade-offs, which would probably start at 'literally every Arcane Mark'.
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Depends on if you think the trade-offs would be worth it. It's largely uncharted territory for human wizards, and probably outside the scope of the quest anyways.
 
Glau said:
So the end result of both of these descriptions is to beg the question: where does the energy go? When you make the scary poisonous long-term nuclear radiation analog just fall apart into nothing.

Like, looking back on this, it *seems* like the sort of thing that could purify large swaths of land in a very short amount of time, and that makes me feel like I am missing something. It's too contrary to the idea of an insidious stain of dark magic for someone to be able to just walk by and flip the switch that removes it.

So why didn't Van Hel use it to win against the skaven when his land was literally covered in warpstone and Dhar?
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Personally, my assumption was that the energy afterwards was still Dhar, It's just that all the structure and intent of it had instantly transmuted from "being magical contamination/being a spell" to "hehe, BOOM." Sort of like asking "What happens to all the carbon in an industrial dust explosion?" Still there, still being carbon, it's just instead of sawdust and lumber, it's now so much sylvestre, smoke, and ash.

(Either that it's a explosive/monopropellant. Where you hit its flash point and the whole thing just detonates into the component winds or some similar mystical byproduct.)
 
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GrimTheMad said:
Mathilde lives a very high risk life style and shows no sign of slowing down.

The chances of that becoming relevant is slim.
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I mean this is warhammer, there are quite a few people older than our civilization who live similarly high risk lives, like Morathi or the Witch King. If you live though enough the setting does seem to allow one to become Just That Good (TM), or maybe Just That Paranoid. :V
 
infinityDivided said:
Is that ever going to happen to Mathilde? I thought she was becoming ageless. Like, isn't our endgame to become some sort of Ulgu-being?
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Melkoth has dabbled so far into Ulgu that we can only dream of reaching his level because we refuse to touch most Battle Magic. He is the leader of the Battle Mages of the Grey College and has advanced so far into Ulgu that he's fooled reality into forgetting his age.

He's still wrinkly as hell.
 
I'm going to advocate heavily against giving the book to anyone before Mathilde dies. Even after that my first preference would be to have Belegar drop the lead container the book is in into a volcano unopened. If we have to write the knowledge of the secrets of Dhar into a separate document on their own so be it, but the how-to guide for being a necromancer lord should not leave our hands.
 
Yeah, van hal gave it to us not when he thought we were ready but when there was no chance of his survival.
The liber mortis is not a "you are now ready" kinda book but a "I'm now dead" kinda book...
 
That specific copy I definitely agree should got back to Roswita but also honestly the knowledge contained should probably also be passed on to the Verenans. As dark books go it's remarkably safe and the knowledge contained with in is actually pretty reasonable to want preserved in the right hands.
 
Abelhelm gave us the Liber Mortis. He did not tell us to give it to Roswita or one of his other children. He just said "I trust you'll know what to do with it". I'm going to guess he had a reason for it, perhaps that he doesn't want to burden his children with that legacy anymore.

Bearing the Liber Mortis is not an honor. It's not something that should rightfully return to the Van Hal line. I believe Abelhelm didn't want Roswita to have it, so I don't want to give it to her. Let her be at peace without the Liber Mortis hanging over her like a guillotine. God knows she's suffered enough.
 
Codex said:
Abelhelm gave us the Liber Mortis. He did not tell us to give it to Roswita or one of his other children. He just said "I trust you'll know what to do with it". I'm going to guess he had a reason for it, perhaps that he doesn't want to burden his children with that legacy anymore.

Bearing the Liber Mortis is not an honor. It's not something that should rightfully return to the Van Hal line. I believe Abelhelm didn't want Roswita to have it, so I don't want to give it to her. Let her be at peace without the Liber Mortis hanging over her like a guillotine. God knows she's suffered enough.
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My inner thought on this is that we should offer it to her when Sylvania is completely pacified and sufficiently integrated with the empire again.
Give her the choice when there are not that many temptations for it's use...
 
Tobtorp said:
My inner thought on this is that we should offer it to her when Sylvania is completely pacified and sufficiently integrated with the empire again.
Give her the choice when there are not that many temptations for it's use...
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No. I don't want to even give her an idea that we have it. This isn't some book that has no connection to her, it's the symbol of her ancestor's disgrace and the reason the Van Hal line has been cursed with a life of Witch Hunting for centuries. There is no point in which the Liber Mortis is not a burden and a disgrace on her family line.

Letting her know we have the Liber Mortis is also a problem for other factors. Roswita has gotten better, but let us not forget where she started. We've read the Liber Mortis, and we don't want anyone to have even an inkling that we've read it.
 
Codex said:
Abelhelm gave us the Liber Mortis. He did not tell us to give it to Roswita or one of his other children. He just said "I trust you'll know what to do with it". I'm going to guess he had a reason for it, perhaps that he doesn't want to burden his children with that legacy anymore.

Bearing the Liber Mortis is not an honor. It's not something that should rightfully return to the Van Hal line. I believe Abelhelm didn't want Roswita to have it, so I don't want to give it to her. Let her be at peace without the Liber Mortis hanging over her like a guillotine. God knows she's suffered enough.
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Roswita is a grown woman capable of making her own decisions. If she doesn't want to bear the Liber Mortis she can pass it off to another group. This also feels like it is reading waaay too much into a brief moment of consciousness of a dying man.
 
I think the book should go to Roswita. Mainly because I do not want it to stay in any magical institution, since this is warhammer so someone at some point will definately decide that their one weird trick will let them use dhar risk free and that someone will very likely be wrong.
I also want it in the empire so that it is available in case of undead related emergencies.
Out of everyone we know in the empire, I trust Roswita the most with this book once we are dead.
 
Jreengus said:
Roswita is a grown woman capable of making her own decisions. If she doesn't want to bear the Liber Mortis she can pass it off to another group. This also feels like it is reading waaay too much into a brief moment of consciousness of a dying man.
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Abelhelm was fully capable of thinking of his children when he was dying. If he wanted his children to have it he'd tell Mathilde to do it. It's not that hard to think of your children while dying.
 
Codex said:
Abelhelm was fully capable of thinking of his children when he was dying. If he wanted his children to have it he'd tell Mathilde to do it. It's not that hard to think of your children while dying.
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But by this logic if he didn't want his kids to have it he could have said "Don't give it to my daughter." My point is that all we know is he trusted Mathilde and her judgement with it. Anything else is pure speculation.
 
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