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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Derpmind said:
Instead of a sacrifice, it could be some kind of medical ritual. Something involving pregnancy, perhaps, given the deity is the Earth Mother.
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The pictographic instructions for a caesarean section without anesthetics would probably look pretty similar to human sacrifice.
Secure the limbs and cut the body open.
Also druid magic might be the only way to make this survivable for the mother, adding to the confusion.
Of course the plausibility of this theory depends on the finer details of what is depicted.
 
Burned_Cookie said:
Why? I'm honestly on board with that happening. It kinda sucks that Teclis waltzed in and goomba stomped the local religious traditions for no other reason than being an colonial asshat. If we can give her the tools to reverse that damage, I see no reason not to.

Aside of course from guaranteeing they actually get their goddess back and not just Tzeench in a flower themed trenchcoat-dress :p
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Because it would probably lead to war with the cults of Taal and Rheya. It does not appear so because they have won, but those cults are assholes when it comes to others in their conceptual space. They would basically try to claim that the Earth Mother is Rheya and whether that is true or not it cannot be allowed to happen because it would give the Jades divided loyalties between the Empire as a whole and the cult.

allmightytoaster said:
The pictographic instructions for a caesarean section without anesthetics would probably look pretty similar to human sacrifice.
Secure the limbs and cut the body open.
Also druid magic might be the only way to make this survivable for the mother, adding to the confusion.
Of course the plausibility of this theory depends on the finer details of what is depicted.
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I'm pretty sure the Albion druids do practice human sacrifice, sometimes the cigar is just a cigar.
 
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Burned_Cookie said:
Why? I'm honestly on board with that happening. It kinda sucks that Teclis waltzed in and goomba stomped the local religious traditions for no other reason than being an colonial asshat. If we can give her the tools to reverse that damage, I see no reason not to.
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Besides what NerdausaurusRex and DragonParadox said, it gates actual, practical knowledge behind worship of something and adherence to a lot of rituals and mystery cult bs. I don't appreciate that they refuse to spread their very useful knowledge to their whole College.

Édit: there's also no evidence that Teclis said that divine magic doesn't exist because he's « a colonial asshat », or even nothing implying it. And i find deeply offensive to limit the teaching of your magic to people of your religion. That would put any Jade following another faith at a disadvantage and is straight up religious discrimination.
 
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@Boney thank you for the update. You did a great job establishing a narrative with the characters, using dialogue to present information rather than have it be a slideshow, which I appreciated. Quite a bit of Tochter, which I liked because we never socialed her. She's pretty respectful and polite I think. Cadaeth is cool as always.

I might go over the update in a reaction post, or I might hold off until the finalised update is made. Not sure.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Because the head of the druids is Pan's mother, and she has some very old fashioned views on who is and is not allowed to be a druid, and we don't want that attitude to spread into the wider college.
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DragonParadox said:
Because it would probably lead to war with the cults of Taal and Rheya. It does not appear so because they have won, but those cults are assholes when it comes to others in their conceptual space. They would basically try to claim that the Earth Mother is Rheya and whether that is true or not it cannot be allowed to happen because it would give the Jades divided loyalties between the Empire as a whole and the cult.



I'm pretty sure the Albion druids do practice human sacrifice, sometimes the cigar is just a cigar.
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K von Carstein said:
Besides what NerdausaurusRex and DragonParadox said, it gates actual, practical knowledge behind worship of something and adherence to a lot of rituals and mystery cult bs. I don't appreciate that they refuse to spread their very useful knowledge to their whole College.
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Alright that does make it a lot more of a minefield. I still think the druids should get their religion back if they want to, but we have to step carefully to not cause a lot of (lower case) chaos.
 
Burned_Cookie said:
Alright that does make it a lot more of a minefield. I still think the druids should get their religion back if they want to, but we have to step carefully to not cause a lot of (lower case) chaos.
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The Druids never stopped to have their religion, and no one is trying to prevent them from existing. They have a Lady Magister on their side.
 
Burned_Cookie said:
Alright that does make it a lot more of a minefield. I still think the druids should get their religion back if they want to, but we have to step carefully to not cause a lot of (lower case) chaos.
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Some of their practices are questionable tough. Like Panaromia had a master in theory but her mother muscled out said master and taught her herself and did a really poor job of it since she was more concerned about religious minutae than important stuff like, you know, misscasts.

Say what you will but church and collages should probably stay seperate.
 
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K von Carstein said:
The Druids never stopped to have their religion, and no one is trying to prevent them from existing. They have a Lady Magister on their side.
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I thought that was what Panorama was trying to do? Did I misread him?

Tasoli said:
Say what you will but church and collages should probably stay seperate.
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Yea they should. I just think that the current situation isn't a good thing, which I'm reading as "their religion got nommed into the college and since the colleges are supposed to be secular, it's turned into control the college or get squashed".

In my eyes, either internal faction winning wouldn't be a good thing, and some stuff needs to be separated. Not that Mathilde is in a position to do so.
 
I'm really dubious of making conclusions about whether or not the religious faction within the Jades should have more or less influence.

As well as we know Panoramia, and while we have Advanced College Diplo, we are very much still an outsider. We only have a surface level view of the internal workings of the Jade College.
 
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LadyLynn said:
I'm really dubious of making conclusions about whether or not the religious faction within the Jades should gain more influence.

As well as we know Panoramia, and while we have Advanced College Diplo, we are very much still an outsider. We only have a surface level view of the internal workings of the Jade College.
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Fair enough. I suppose we are working of way to little data here anyway.
 
Boney said:
If forced to make a guess about Hatalath being cagey about leylines, Mathilde would theorise that the Druchii are getting some portion of the Old World's magical outflow, rather than there's a honking great island right off the coast of Brettonia that is somehow getting overlooked by every mariner on the continent.
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I think the most plausible explanation is there's a small rock sticking out somewhere to the south of Ulthuan that no one cares about bc it's just a single rock in the middle of nowhere or something.
 
Say, I wonder what Thorek would think of Waystone-stones designed around mathematical precision.

It feels like a pretty Dwarf-like way to handle things. Or at least in-theme.
 
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There is also the fact that we do not know what manner of being the Earth Mother even is. I mean we trust her enough to get her lore, but do we trust her with the keeping of new Waystones? Do we want to poke the god we personally know so little about. All other things being equal I would rather work with Haletha on this since we know and trust her father at least.
 
DragonParadox said:
There is also the fact that we do not know what manner of being the Earth Mother even is. I mean we trust her enough to get her lore, but do we trust her with the keeping of new Waystones? Do we want to poke the god we personally know so little about. All other things being equal I would rather work with Haletha on this since we know and trust her father at least.
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The problem with haletha is that she's a very geographically set goddess. She the goddess of the forest of shadows. I doubt it would work well if the waystone is in southern Sylvania.
 
Tobtorp said:
The problem with haletha is that she's a very geographically set goddess. She the goddess of the forest of shadows. I doubt it would work well if the waystone is in southern Sylvania.
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If Aksel is to be believed, Halétha is also worshipped under different guises outside on the Forest of Shadows, including an aspect that's worshipped as far as Kislev. At a minimum Halétha should have some sway in at least three provinces (Nordland, Ostland and Ostermark) and judging by Haleth and Kalita she should also have some reach in Middenland and Kislev.
Tobtorp said:
The few aspects we heard of (goddess of the hunt and a few others) where clarified to us by Aksel, their disguises to protect her worshippers from prosecution while in more populated areas.
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That's not quite what he said:
Boney said:
He seems to relax. "Oh, that. Yes, some of our people in larger towns disguise some aspects of their worship, and those half-truths have grown into almost separate faiths as outsiders see their success and attribute it to what they know of their God. Lady of the Hunt in the west, Patroness of Childbirth in the south, God of Journeys in the east. It rubs some of the hidebound the wrong way, but nobody can deny how useful it can be to have allies outside the Forest."

You ponder that. "Do you think they worship truly out of ignorance, or do you just worship different facets of the same being?"

"Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't see their worship as lesser. If I was speaking to one of them I'd put it more diplomatically." He gives you a worried look. "Erm. I'm not, am I?"

You weigh for a moment how much truth to give, and eventually say simply, "I worship Ranald."

He nods in understanding. "Like our brothers in Middenland. No wonder you think in aspects. But no, I don't think I know the full truth of Halétha. Nobody knows every face of any being. I do think I worship Her most important facet, but I'd guess the others do too. And if I found myself lost in the Western Oblast or seeking to father a child in Middenland, I would gladly accept any help or teachings they'd be willing to share."
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Aksel believes that 'Goddess of the Forest of Shadows' is Halétha's most important aspect, but he doesn't believe it is her only aspect, and he does believe that the worshippers of Kalita and Haleth truly worship Halétha, even if their worship originated in a misunderstanding.
 
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