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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Halil said:
My argument was for The We. I'm, like, on the same page with you. I think.
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Yeah, I know. I was just adding to your comment.

Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Can you guarantee that if the We become the librarians, that they will focus on policies that seek integration with the local community of K8P? Because from where I'm standing, there isn't one that they'll eventually provide the same benefit that locals will provide as explicitly called out in the text of the update.
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Again, I don't see why hiring local scribes can't accomplish the same thing. Why does it absolutely have to be librarians or else KAU will forever be unintegratable with the rest of the community?
 
I like the Orphans conceptually, but I'd like to have a staff within the next five years or so. I feel like the orphans would take longer to come together than I want, and the Locals are a nice middle ground.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Can you guarantee that if the We become the librarians, that they will focus on policies that seek integration with the local community of K8P? Because from where I'm standing, there isn't one that they'll eventually provide the same benefit that locals will provide as explicitly called out in the text of the update.
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They don't have to - we're still the owner, and can set such policies ourselves - for instance, the oft-mentioned away-scribes idea. Cython is the one where it's up in the air if stuff like that gets to happen.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Okay, but that means we have to spend AP, instead of having it organically grow from the values and experiences of the staff we employ.
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Does it? Not all actions and decisions require dedicated screentime or lots of in-character time spent. We already know the trainers don't take any, and that's the root of any policy's implementation right there.

Provided the policies in question aren't especially heterodox, the free trainers should be able to handle teaching The We how to carry it out just fine.
 
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Okay, but that means we have to spend AP, instead of having it organically grow from the values and experiences of the staff we employ.
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We'll have to spend AP on encouraging people to come to and interact with our library anyway. Sure, locals might save a bit on that, but the We helps us save AP on extra efficiency training (just because this batch of recruits gets it doesn't mean that batch does as well), the effort of searching for replacements for quitters/retirees, and additional anti-corruption security.
 
Of course, having written that I feel obliged to vote thus.

[X] The We

Would be a lot messier, and Local does have it's charm. But this quest excel in those out of the window options and I am curios how Boney will develop them.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Can you guarantee that if the We become the librarians, that they will focus on policies that seek integration with the local community of K8P? Because from where I'm standing, there isn't one that they'll eventually provide the same benefit that locals will provide as explicitly called out in the text of the update.
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I'm sure they won't, because otherwise it wouldn't be listed as the benefit to hiring locals. I'm saying that while the Library under the We will never be as close a part of the community, if you believe that the availability of books will increase literacy, will that not happen anyway? Just because people don't decide the library is the new place to meet up and talk or have events doesn't mean that it won't accomplish what appears to be your primary motive; increased literacy for the locals. It would probably take longer without a dedicated outreach program, but frankly it's never going to be a fast program. I'd guess a decade at least before you start to see a literacy rate above 50%. In which case, does the speed really matter?
 
Alliterate said:
This, perhaps, gives a useful design focus and goal for a Sevirscope beyond 'allow people without Magesight to see magic', whereby it could also perhaps meaningfully supplement Mathildes full-spectrum HDR ground-penetrating sense.
Something with the ability to retain after-images, or traces, or take snapshots, or similar.

Of course, I have no idea for the mechanism this would work by, nor for that matter for the 'basic' Sevirscope, so insert-Burrito-power-source here.
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I keep seeing people talk about Seviroscopes. When did we come up with a standardized name for "artificial windsight device" and why that?

But disregarding the name, I'm not sure that would be the best. Yes, a sevirscope camera might be useful, but it would probably take much longer to develop since you would need to invent photography on top of everything. And it might not help at all; a true replica of windsight would probably retain the downsides. A comparison: cameras, in real life, are vulnerable to overexposure when photographing bright light.

The brightness problem might be solvable by using wind-insulative or absorptive material as, effectively, welding goggles. Mathilde has already done this actually - after being initially blinded, Mathilde used a slab of stone as a magesight shield. That seems like something we could build on. But that still leaves the problem of reaction speed, for which Hysh time spells have been suggested:
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Yes, there are two spells for it. Speed of Light and Byrona's Timewarp.

Speed of Light "frees you from the burden of flesh", boosting your Weapon Skill and Initiative to 10 (the max). Byrona's Timewarp "frees you from the passage of time, speeding your actions", giving you double movement, one extra attack and Always Strikes First (you always attack first).

I assume either one or both would boost cognitive ability to match with the boost to physicality, because they'd be useless otherwise. Still, both are Battle Magic, and Timewarp is one of the most difficult and dangerous Battle Magics. They're not exactly to be casually cast, unless the person is some sort of Master of Light Speed/Timewarp like Melkoth is with his Miasma.
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According to the Warhammer Wiki, there's also the 4e spell "Speed of Thought" (which only works on oneself, so would need that person to have windsight) and a spell from the WHFB Storm of Magic expansion called Time Amok "altering the flow of time to suit his allies' needs". However,
•The threadmarked spellbook doesn't list those spells.
•4e and WHFB are Tier 5 canonicity at best - which is to say, probably not
•Time manipulation might fall under time travel, which is apparently a hard no:
Boney said:
Canonicity (for Quest purposes)
Tier 1: The Quest itself is primary canon.
Tier 2: WoQM applies unless it violates Quest canon (which I assume it has or will at some point).
Tier 3: Army Books (6th+), WHFRPG 2e - reasonably safe to assume that the fluff in these is canon unless the Quest or WoQM says otherwise. Game mechanics should not be taken as canon.
Tier 4: Black Library, White Dwarf articles - canonish, but the QM may not be familiar with them and the details are likely to end up varying if they are used.
Tier 5: Licensed video games, Warhammer Armies Project, WHFRPG 3e & 4e - mostly only used for things that aren't otherwise covered in higher tiers, and by default are not canon.
Tier 6: Army Books (pre-6th), WHFRPG (1e) - the Dwarf Priests Know Necromancy Zone. May be looted for ideas from time to time but is usually completely incompatible.

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Time Travel
No.
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Which is unfortunate, because putting like a dozen stone slabs between us and the reaction, then having a Hysh master cast a Calamity-level time spell on it (or us) would probably have been super fun.

So I guess if I'm right and none of these are canon, inventing a magic camera might turn out to be the only option. But I still think it's worth trying to upgrade the stone slab to something either thicker or with more sophisticated dampening, and asking around about mental buff spells first.
 
You know, I wonder if Mathilde has an unofficial title in the Colleges that we just haven't heard yet, like Dammerlichtreiter and Azrildrekked. Stirland gave her two, the dwarves three, hell even Asarnil had a name for her. And while Mathilde doesn't necessarily spend a lot of time in the Colleges, she does do some big things for them, often collectively.

Or maybe it will happen after we finish the shrooms and AV. Those and the Rooms of Calamity is three different version of long term firepower increase for the Colleges.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
I'm sure they won't, because otherwise it wouldn't be listed as the benefit to hiring locals. I'm saying that while the Library under the We will never be as close a part of the community, if you believe that the availability of books will increase literacy, will that not happen anyway? Just because people don't decide the library is the new place to meet up and talk or have events doesn't mean that it won't accomplish what appears to be your primary motive; increased literacy for the locals. It would probably take longer without a dedicated outreach program, but frankly it's never going to be a fast program. I'd guess a decade at least before you start to see a literacy rate above 50%. In which case, does the speed really matter?
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But I do want all that community stuff as well. You can't tell me that spiders are strictly better than locals when they are not offering the same benefits. I'm just trying to present another aspect to think about in regards to how locals can improve the functionality of the library over the We, but clearly I'm failing at this because everyone is telling me that any advantages the locals bring the spiders can also do.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
But I do want all that community stuff as well. You can't tell me that spiders are strictly better than locals when they are not offering the same benefits. I'm just trying to present another aspect to think about in regards to how locals can improve the functionality of the library over the We, but clearly I'm failing at this because everyone is telling me that any advantages the locals bring the spiders can also do.
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What I can tell you is that two hours ago you posted that it was one in the morning local time and that you were "about to collapse" and that you have thus far seemingly failed to do so and that as your Fellow Person On The Internet I am concerned about your well-being.

If this is going to bug you such that it is interfering with your ability to sleep, request your interlocutors @ me instead and I will carry on the argument on your behalf so you can rest in the knowledge that Someone is Doing Something about Someone Being Wrong On The Internet.
 
While I've argued before that we can pick the We and still have the library well integrated into the Karak and/or have the Library have a significant impact on literacy levels among the locals, I do think that to do so would take at least some amount of (library) AP investment.

At the very least, I am deeply skeptical that the We are going to be better at the thing that is literally described as the Locals primary positive. That is generally not how these votes tend to work.
 
picklepikkl said:
What I can tell you is that two hours ago you posted that it was one in the morning local time and that you were "about to collapse" and that you have thus far seemingly failed to do so and that as your Fellow Person On The Internet I am concerned about your well-being.

If this is going to bug you such that it is interfering with your ability to sleep, request your interlocutors @ me instead and I will carry on the argument on your behalf so you can rest in the knowledge that Someone is Doing Something about Someone Being Wrong On The Internet.
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Unfortunately I seem to be having one of those insomnia moments where my brain is too wired to settle down, and I've apparently chosen to distract myself from my inability to sleep by arguing with people on the internet. This is clearly Not Helping.

The good news is that one of my co-workers swapped shifts with me, so I don't have to go to work tomorrow.

Anyway, if I post again in the next six hours or so, feel free to be disappointed in me. Night.
 
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