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On the bonuses of spider library, they're telepathic. As soon as you ask one where a certain book is, there's already half a dozen giant spiders climbing the shelves looking for it for you.
 
Please not Cython. Even if we aren't loaning out books what happens when in a few centuries it decides it wants to move and takes its hoard with it. Bye-bye library that was meant to be Mathilde's legacy.

@Boney what would be the plan for the We to communicate? Ordering a ton of those enchanted items for them?
 
Regarding the 'meme options': it seems to me that the We have zero qualifications to be librarians besides literacy. They are unfamiliar with libraries, they don't have opposable thumbs, and they are a species of predators that has just recently learned the concept of civilization as we think of it. Cython, at least, could make for a decent librarian - but it means that the library will be theirs. To anyone who has concerns about the Verenans taking over Cython is the same problem only moreso, and we can't kick them off our staff if we change our mind.
 
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A very juicy update.

"I take it you all picked up on what Lecturer Sarvoi mentioned?"

"Do you mean the part where the mechanisms keeping the world out of the grasp of Chaos is a sorcery that utilizes the wicked powers of Dark Magic?" Egrimm says, to winces from Tochter and Elrisse.
As expected they already figured it out.
That is one of the major problems with trying to keep this type of secret: everyone involved is likely to discover your secret entirely on their own.

I feel we might want to have an in-character reminder that the Asur, while not the best of allies, are by no means our enemy.
Particularly if we still intend to take that vacation to visit at some point.

'His' treasure. You wonder if the Dragon is aware that the Empire still considers it to belong to the state, and that there are promissory notes circulating using the hoard he rests upon as security. Normally there's a lot of resistance to any sort of currency that isn't made of precious metals, but gold being guarded by a Dragon is considered by many to be less likely to disappear overnight than gold secured in a more traditional vault.
Pretty sure the Empire considers that the dragon himself 'belongs' to the state. Which is a bit awkward for a polity that officially doesn't practice slavery. Although come to think of it there are quite a few creatures (griffins for example) that the Empire uses as beasts of war despite them actually being rather intelligent.

Fortunately that is very much Not Our Problem.

If it turns out that there's no way around that mechanism it might be trouble for any hopes of creating entirely new ones, but no point wrestling with that here and now when we don't have all the facts.
Don't really know Dragomas well enough to say whether trouble means 'I need to shut down the project' or 'I need to spend hideous amounts of time politicking to get this authorised'. If he was a Grey I would assume the latter but the supreme patriarch isn't so reliably practical.

"And maybe have the letters informing their Magisters Patriarch left on their respective desks, rather than sent directly to wherever they are right now.
Ha! He is certainly no stranger to wrangling bureaucracy to his advantage.

The Golds have a stockpile of the stuff from having absorbed all the pre-Teclisean alchemists, one of yours should be able to requisition some.
Hope we can get their notes on it as well as the samples. No sense repeating research someone else has already done.

You smile, and begin to tell him about what you learned about Kislev's Waystones.
We haven't even finished The Foundation and already the Project is startng to pay dividends.

the Bright Order brevets you according to your association with military units
The Bright Order isn't even pretending that it isn't a military organisation.
Which is fair enough I suppose. Nothing wrong with that niche.

you don't have enough hours in the day to make the inner workings of every organization your problem
Which is a pity, as we have yet to find one that wasn't fascinating in its own way.

"The launcher is sound and there's a lot of options for the payload, but it's the sort of thing that's useful to me specifically, rather than something with wider applications. I need to either simplify the steam half of it so that the average Bright Journeyman can use it, or minimize the magical component so that it can be used by non-magical engineers. Either way, I need a better grasp of steam and its workings."
Why not both?
...on right, the whole 'limited AP' issue.

Although seriously it would be great for both engineers and wizards to have magitech grenade launchers in their arsenal.

Also her still working on enchanted engineering is very promising for the 'enchanted Gyrocarriage' plan.

First entirely non-military aircraft the Dwarves have built since the air barges of the Golden Age.
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someone who won't spiral into despair if their flying career doesn't involve dropping a single bomb on a single Orc. The Pilot Clans tend to be rather intense about that sort of thing."
Bit of a chicken and egg problem here.
Only the Pilot Clans can fly the gyros and they only want military craft. And because only military craft get built people who don't want to fight can't become pilots.

You've sectioned off a neat chunk of time with which you can get to the nice, relaxing activity of poking at the fundamental forces of magic to see if you can make them do anything unexpected.
The very core of Science.

The experimental procedure is, as always, delightful.

You walk down to your library, stare in befuddlement at the bare shelves, then sigh as you recall that most of your books are now housed within Kvinn-Wyr.
It speaks a great deal about just how earth-shattering her discovery was that she actually forgot about having moved her books.

…bit odd that she kept the shelves.

the creation of entirely new Orbs of Sorcery.
A moment of divided loyalties here.
Orbs of Sorcery are a Big Deal. When we reveal this to the Colleges the snake box is going to become an item of Strategic Importance. While Mathilde will be compensated handsomely for handing it over, she is going to hand it over.
Which means that to continue unravelling this mystery we need to deliberately deprive the Empire of a very potent tool.
 
It probably wouldn't be a proper orb thought, right? Original Orbs of Sorcery are multi wind, not monowind, no?

EDIT: Looked it up and no, they are actually monowind.
 
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Downside(?) to the Orphan option- the effect Mathilde has on children is well documented.
Downside? I like to think of it as dipping into the Collegiate option.

"And maybe have the letters informing their Magisters Patriarch left on their respective desks, rather than sent directly to wherever they are right now. Anything else?"
Well now, either Dragomas had a sudden bout of Opsec paranoia or he is not entirely neutral about the Light Bowl. I assume that intercepting or at least having a mole in Alric official mail is something Mira already did, either that or she entirely managed to butt in and get Co-official responsibility on the incoming mail.
 
... I just really want to see the strain of We raised in a library. The intelligence and knowledge they develop.

Bookworms are one thing. Bookspiders? Whole other level.
 
A very juicy update.

As expected they already figured it out.
That is one of the major problems with trying to keep this type of secret: everyone involved is likely to discover your secret entirely on their own.

I feel we might want to have an in-character reminder that the Asur, while not the best of allies, are by no means our enemy.
Particularly if we still intend to take that vacation to visit at some point.

Pretty sure the Empire considers that the dragon himself 'belongs' to the state. Which is a bit awkward for a polity that officially doesn't practice slavery. Although come to think of it there are quite a few creatures (griffins for example) that the Empire uses as beasts of war despite them actually being rather intelligent.

Fortunately that is very much Not Our Problem.

Don't really know Dragomas well enough to say whether trouble means 'I need to shut down the project' or 'I need to spend hideous amounts of time politicking to get this authorised'. If he was a Grey I would assume the latter but the supreme patriarch isn't so reliably practical.

Ha! He is certainly no stranger to wrangling bureaucracy to his advantage.

Hope we can get their notes on it as well as the samples. No sense repeating research someone else has already done.

We haven't even finished The Foundation and already the Project is startng to pay dividends.

The Bright Order isn't even pretending that it isn't a military organisation.
Which is fair enough I suppose. Nothing wrong with that niche.

Which is a pity, as we have yet to find one that wasn't fascinating in its own way.

Why not both?
...on right, the whole 'limited AP' issue.

Although seriously it would be great for both engineers and wizards to have magitech grenade launchers in their arsenal.

Also her still working on enchanted engineering is very promising for the 'enchanted Gyrocarriage' plan.

Bit of a chicken and egg problem here.
Only the Pilot Clans can fly the gyros and they only want military craft. And because only military craft get built people who don't want to fight can't become pilots.

The very core of Science.

The experimental procedure is, as always, delightful.

It speaks a great deal about just how earth-shattering her discovery was that she actually forgot about having moved her books.

…bit odd that she kept the shelves.

A moment of divided loyalties here.
Orbs of Sorcery are a Big Deal. When we reveal this to the Colleges the snake box is going to become an item of Strategic Importance. While Mathilde will be compensated handsomely for handing it over, she is going to hand it over.
Which means that to continue unravelling this mystery we need to deliberately deprive the Empire of a very potent tool.
Whelp time to visit the college and ask around if anyone got a snake following them around.
 
Please not Cython. Even if we aren't loaning out books what happens when in a few centuries it decides it wants to move and takes its hoard with it. Bye-bye library that was meant to be Mathilde's legacy.
At that point I'd genuinely like to see it happen. Seriously, that would be an achievement.
I think we have vastly differing perspectives on the scale of the library, and the feasibility of moving it.

As a solution to this highly unlikely problem; if the offer is made to have Cython be an equal partner in this endeavour, part of the agreement could be obligation to have copies made of all the books they are taking.

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I'm strongly leaning to having the library be staffed by K8P locals, possibly supplemented by a few trained librarians brought in, if that level of granularity is allowed.
 
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Okay, serious hat on. I'm strongly considering Locals, Spiders, and Orphans. These are the three options that do require training, but would also create a staff who are loyal to us and the Karak, which few of the other options provide. Locals is great because I want the library integrated into the local community. Orphans would be doing a lot of good to a lot of children who need the help. Spiders because... well, spiders. I like the We, I think they are suitable for it, and if they are making a second self, why not move them into the library?

I think my strongest preference is for locals, but I'd be happy with any of these.
 
At that point. I'd genuinely like to see it happen. Seriously, that would be an achievement.
I think we have vastly differing perspectives on the scale of the library, and the feasibility of moving it.
Hysh allows for space manipulation, and Cython can do it. It's perfectly plausible that he can create a pocket dimension to hold it.
 
[ ] Collegiate
[ ] The We
I dislike both of these because they will discourage a lot of normal people from using the library. This is supposed to be a gift to the whole Civilised World, not just the Wizards or people unperturbed by the strange.

Here is the problem: Awesome as they might be, Cython is still just one dude and they have only one pair of hands. In order to do the job they would need to hire other people and we are back to square one.

This seems like it would take a lot of effort and quite a lot of time. While Mathilde might not need to do it herself it will still delay things.

While I would love to have the Cult of Verena, the price of being friends with the god of thieves and liars is that the god of truth and justice hates your guts.

[ ] Runescribes Guild
[ ] Halflings
…no opinion either way.

Giving back to Eight Peaks would be nice. Particularly if it helps makes the place more cosmopolitan.
 
Awesome chapter!

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Oh, and on Cython: he wanted to literally hunt and eat knowledge. I think the real problem might be that they're a bit too eager to expand the collection, but I'm ok with that.

And even if they could, they would probably use intrigue first.

Probably. But I'd remind everyone that last time we started a project with "lol marienburg isn't going to like this" a whole bunch of dwarf elders were killed by an assassin that still hasn't been tracked down. Just saying.

According to the wiki the colleges only have one orb each, and the loss of any one would be a major blow, so this is very big.

A part of me kind of wants to send a set off to Terri's, even his supply is likely limited if he could only spare 8, and the reaction and potential elf favour would be fun.

Honestly, this would be the biggest flex we could do if it is in response to the elves formally protesting our involvement in waystones. Just send a gift that makes the statement "we don't need you to understand higher magics".

For one, this makes me extremely curious what happens if we subject AV directly to powerstone creation methods (and, with a bit of luck, turn that into an orb).

Pretty sure power stone creation involves channeling wind through your soul like enchanting? Not sure how we'd use AV for that.

Of course, that depends a lot but Fine detail, low intensity, capturing only a moment in time? Yeah, that seems like something a high speed camera would be ideal for. Or even just a basic one if you tuned it to only record the highest intensity so the moment of creation itself would moderate the speed.

If we find a substance that glows for a bit under magical radiation, we could use a pinhole in something particularly impenetrable, a filter of rock to screen out the moments before and after, and a wall covered in uv paint? The art college might be able to help us, but we did read through Leonardo's book on optics back in stirland, so we have a background.

While Mathilde will be compensated handsomely for handing it over, she is going to hand it over.

To whom? There's a branch college inside a fortress right where she is, it's not like there's a better location to have it.
 
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