Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Netherlands
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Hoo boy. Lotsa interesting stuff.
For the librarians, I'm most interested in the We or the Cult of Verena.
The We is wonderful and I love them and some of the possibilities of Spider Librarians was already laid out by Mathilde in the chapter. The We are also very logical, honest, and eager to learn, so I think they would in the long term be the most reliable librarians next to maybe the Dwarves. Very trustworthy, and not prone to human self-justification.
As for the Cult of Verena, their religious dogma is practically identical to the mission statement of our library.
As for the Orbs of Sorcery thing... that is really cool though I don't actually know what the uses are for Orbs of Sorcery, as I'm not familiar with the source material. It definitely sounds like a Very Big Deal, though. I'd appreciate it if someone laid out some of the possibilities!
For the librarians, I'm most interested in the We or the Cult of Verena.
The We is wonderful and I love them and some of the possibilities of Spider Librarians was already laid out by Mathilde in the chapter. The We are also very logical, honest, and eager to learn, so I think they would in the long term be the most reliable librarians next to maybe the Dwarves. Very trustworthy, and not prone to human self-justification.
As for the Cult of Verena, their religious dogma is practically identical to the mission statement of our library.
As for the Orbs of Sorcery thing... that is really cool though I don't actually know what the uses are for Orbs of Sorcery, as I'm not familiar with the source material. It definitely sounds like a Very Big Deal, though. I'd appreciate it if someone laid out some of the possibilities!
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- Earth
Because it's in the turn start chapters.
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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- Czech Republic
It can be used that way, but normal powerstones work for them too.
I actually think this was mostly prestige and knowledge discovery, because as per Boney canon, the orbs of sorcery are actually not vital for anything, really.
(Relevant boney quote in case someone doesn't believe me)
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we should put cython in charge of an army of orphan interns and giant spiders
inb4 we accidentally a dragon cult
inb4 we accidentally a dragon cult
Yes, there will be an action to get the stones, build the mechanism and babysit the reaction next turn, though IIRC Mathilde can't currently afford the CF cost.
At the beginning of each turn. Current stockpile is 18 gallons, income is one gallon per turn, two per year.
Only one.
Huh. So... now I'm curious what would happen if we learned how to make Powerstones, and applied that method to the Vitae.
Though, I'm guessing that we'd be able to make a powerstone... but the other 7 winds would be wasted.
Alternatively, we wouldn't be able to apply the method to vitae because we'd only be able to make Ulgu Powerstones; whereas the Vitae would need a 8-wind Powerstone method. So maybe High Elf Archwizards would be able to make Qhaysh Powerstones from Vitae.
... Alternatively, we'd be able to make a Powerstone out of Vitae; it would just result in us "crystallizing" the Vitae. Turning it into a crystal rather than a liquid.
Basically, something like... I dunno. Rather than the old Seviroscope idea which I think we pictured as like goggles that would show magical flow as it happens... this would be something that instead records the flow of magic, and then you view the recording?
Or some other way to get an impression of what a magical event was.
This would be like a Magical... Phonograph? Or an x-ray or some other kind of 20th-century-physics-experiment doohicky name or machine that I can't think of right now.
Though, I'm guessing that we'd be able to make a powerstone... but the other 7 winds would be wasted.
Alternatively, we wouldn't be able to apply the method to vitae because we'd only be able to make Ulgu Powerstones; whereas the Vitae would need a 8-wind Powerstone method. So maybe High Elf Archwizards would be able to make Qhaysh Powerstones from Vitae.
... Alternatively, we'd be able to make a Powerstone out of Vitae; it would just result in us "crystallizing" the Vitae. Turning it into a crystal rather than a liquid.
... You know... now I'm wondering about another way to use the oft-talked-about Seviroscope ideas. Not to let a Dwarf see magic. But to let a wizard see magic that is too bright to look at.
Basically, something like... I dunno. Rather than the old Seviroscope idea which I think we pictured as like goggles that would show magical flow as it happens... this would be something that instead records the flow of magic, and then you view the recording?
Or some other way to get an impression of what a magical event was.
This would be like a Magical... Phonograph? Or an x-ray or some other kind of 20th-century-physics-experiment doohicky name or machine that I can't think of right now.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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According to the wiki the colleges only have one orb each, and the loss of any one would be a major blow, so this is very big.
A part of me kind of wants to send a set off to Teclis, even his supply is likely limited if he could only spare 8, and the reaction and potential elf favour would be fun.
A part of me kind of wants to send a set off to Teclis, even his supply is likely limited if he could only spare 8, and the reaction and potential elf favour would be fun.
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
At the very least, I expect it's probably easier to use a single Orb of Sorcery over an array of powerstones.
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- Utrecht
Aqshy would probably be dragon flask-esque.
Imagine a steam tank with a dragon flask mounted on.
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completely and utterly fine
If we ever plan to have our deepest darkest books in the library proper, that would probably be the way to do it.
In other news: I do not know a whole lot about WHF, but I take it making orbs of sorcery is a Big Deal? 8 gallons is a hefty price, but I think we still have a good stockpile
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- Leeds
Cool, I'm crying on the inside but its what I expected.
E: Thanks @Murazor
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- Russia
I'm actually against dragon. Cython is awesome, but a dragon considering the library a part of their horde leads to overly strict lending policies, IMO.
Spiders have similar problem, but much more easily mitigated. Boney said that they consider first copy of any book they read priceless and additional copies useless. That means that if our staff copies anything that our library has then the spiders won't have a problem lendingthose extra copies.
Spiders have similar problem, but much more easily mitigated. Boney said that they consider first copy of any book they read priceless and additional copies useless. That means that if our staff copies anything that our library has then the spiders won't have a problem lendingthose extra copies.
Added a line about Orbs of Sorcery to the update:
A single one of them can allow for magical phenomena that would normally take an entire array of conventional power stones and be a lot easier to build around as well, and a socket for them can be found at the heart of the most potent and rarely-used Battle Altars of the Colleges.
He'd pick his own staff to his own specifications, which would probably be along the lines of a) won't steal my hoard and b) will kill anyone that tries to steal my hoard.
A single one of them can allow for magical phenomena that would normally take an entire array of conventional power stones and be a lot easier to build around as well, and a socket for them can be found at the heart of the most potent and rarely-used Battle Altars of the Colleges.
He'd pick his own staff to his own specifications, which would probably be along the lines of a) won't steal my hoard and b) will kill anyone that tries to steal my hoard.
There's sure to be difficulties in acclimating Cython to having intruders wandering around its hoard and its sure to consider itself a full partner in the library rather than a mere employee, and the task of recruiting the rest of the librarians will have to be granted to it so that it can hire a team it feels comfortable allowing full access to its hoard. But the full cooperation of an Emperor Dragon is something that you're fairly sure no other library can boast.
The Tower of Gazul uses multiple powerstones to power it. All of those could be replaced by a single Orb of Sorcery, and we'd have enough energy left over power... well, almost anything.
The big issues with Orbs is that no one knows how to make them—Teclis gifted a bunch to the colleges, and that's all they have. They are in extremely short supply, and are treated as some of the most important artefacts of the Colleges. Mathilde can now produce them, which means that the Colleges can now build more superweapons without worrying about where the power is going to come from.
This is slightly negated by the fact that we're learning how to make Waystones as well, which can also supply power to things. But on the other hand, Orbs are more portable than a waystone.
We have 18 at the moment, so we could make two sets of Orbs, and then we'd have to wait 6 turns I think? before we could make more.
I don't think we're a lending library. We're more a "chain the books to the shelves" type of library. Lending libraries are very modern.
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- Leeds
Actually lending policies wouldn't be more strict.
In this time period books where often shackled to the shelves/lecterns because they where that valuable.
Only a tiny number of books would ever leave the library most of which would be copies.
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completely and utterly fine
Though I don't think we should spend all of it on orbs. For one, this makes me extremely curious what happens if we subject AV directly to powerstone creation methods (and, with a bit of luck, turn that into an orb).
Man, this just drives home how incredible having a pocket portal to the aethyr is, doesn't it?
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- Leeds
Ah similar to if we left it to the dwarves
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- Earth
How big are Orbs of Sorcery?
Or more specifically: Are they small enough to apply to a new generation of armored robes?
We make 1 gallon/turn, a turn is 6 months, so another three years
About the size of a person's head, so only if you go really hardcore with the pauldrons.
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- United States of America
Not particularly. Waystones are essentially pipes to funnel all winds of magic out of the world and into the Vortex. Powerstones are solidified magic from a specific wind, and thus are very useful as potent sources of magical power.
There is a similarity in that both deal with the winds of magic and both can be used to power impressive feats, but they have different functions and purposes.