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The thing that was being talked about was canon, so in this case WoQM doesn't matter. Albion could appear in Divided Loyalties in 2517, 2512, before or after those times, or never.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
[X] College Dispensation
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The thing is that one option brings less attention than the other, so it's a matter of harm reduction while still getting official permission. And can you guarantee absolutely nobody informed will want to play silly buggers with our project?
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Can you guarantee that Dragomas will not be annoyed by us going over his head and the pattriarchs in question won't go digging into why there suddenly is a imperial dispension that ignores all the usual methods of acquiring one?
No, i can't guarantee nobody will want to play silly buggers.
I also can't guarantee LAurelorn does not explode randomly the next turn.
The risk people keep worrying about is minimal at best, and the bad outcomes exaggerated.
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The Patriarchs wouldn't even know there was a dispensation in the first place. That's kind of the point of Imperial.
And while everything can explode if it nat 1s, the fact that you are absolutely dismissing the risk of troublemakers finding out is concerning.
That was true initially but part of Feldman's pitch when he bought all our Skaven tech was that he would get faster results by putting more people on the research
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Yeah, and more importantly, Skaven tech simply isn't that political, so it's safer to share information on it. The nature of the Conspiracy is that you don't get as much glory for stuff done against Skaven as opposed to something with the same impact elsewhere, so even glory-hogging is toned down.
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Please note the part of "being swarmed by" and "having to spend lot of AP".
Not just there being a one or two idiots in Altdorf who get slapped down by Dragomas.
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I believe every single possible idea of why 'unwanted attention' is a bad thing has been verbally shot down multiple times in thread for being foolish or vastly overestimating risks, so I'm going to leave it at that.
Those who aren't willing to be convinced won't be.
[X] College Dispensation
Honestly I'm fine with either College or Imperial, I'm leaning college because none of the arguments for imperial (alric, secrecy, etc) have really landed with me and I think that we have a higher chance of getting this accepted from the Colleges than from the emperor having a Lord Magister show up on his doorstep and asking for permission to ignore rules on dark magic pretty please because we need to keep it a secret from the various patriarchs, also we really don't like one of them.
With that said I would have voted for Imperial if any of the other ones looked like they had a chance in hell of winning, the two of them are head and shoulders above the rest
Honestly I'm fine with either College or Imperial, I'm leaning college because none of the arguments for imperial (alric, secrecy, etc) have really landed with me and I think that we have a higher chance of getting this accepted from the Colleges than from the emperor having a Lord Magister show up on his doorstep and asking for permission to ignore rules on dark magic pretty please because we need to keep it a secret from the various patriarchs, also we really don't like one of them.
With that said I would have voted for Imperial if any of the other ones looked like they had a chance in hell of winning, the two of them are head and shoulders above the rest
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The Empire and several other places are just as important to maintaining the Network. If it was just about that then Ulthuan would be one of the most diplomatic groups in the world. But they aren't. They're very closed off when it comes to everyone but Marienburg, of which they have a clear contract that shows an extreme amount of favor towards them since 2150 IC, before the Elves even made their embassy in the Empire itself.
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When "unwanted attention" is defined as "any attention" and the risks offered range from "Alric is going to take over" to "we have to spend half our AP to deal with troublemakers", the people arguing for them need more than "but maybe" to convince me.
I have no problem with the imperial dispensation option.
I almost voted for it myself.
But the arguments in favour of it because college dispensation will bring up problems are vastly over stated.
And claiming that people just are not willing to listen is not really useful debate tactic.
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As individuals? I make no such accusations. But posts blur together and so I am unsure of who has made which claims; I just know that in total every single option of what bad attention looks like has been rubbished, so I have nothing new to add.
[X] College Dispensation
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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There is actually a similar effect for climate change:I do not think we can assume an even rate of decline, less waystones means more magic more daemons and more chaos... which will all try to take down the waystones. It all goes slow until the last one which lets the Everchosen be just strong enough to take out whatever last stand champion of order came against them and then the world is doomed. The decay of the Network is not like global warming in that sense since there aren't CO2 Eldritch horrors out there trying to speed it up (oil companies come close though)
Due to our heating of the earth, we are both loosing the caps, which reflect light and therefore heat, as well as melting the permafrosts and the deep sea methane deposits, which all worsen climate change all on their own by releasing greenhouse gases . It also makes trees less effective, because the warmer it gets the less CO2 is removed by their metabolism, instead breaking near even.
Sure, it's less dramatic than one screaming person with an army of demons, but it sure will make everything we are doing to ourselves worse.
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The thing with Waystones is that they are kinda sitting in your backyard. It's easier to ignore "the ice is melting" and you can't see much difference.
But "a waystone's been corrupted my lord, and a giant herd of beastmen is riding out to kill you", and then you need to go out and personally take care of it, because that's kinda your duty, and everyone would side-eye you if you didn't.
Also helps that most Cults, and the Collages are kinda anti-chaos dedicated, so having someone ignore the spewing stone of Dhar would annoy them. Which is pretty bad given the wide political influence, and the fact most population do follow these cults
If climate change personally manifiested evil demons in the backyards of rich people, and they had to clean them up, i think you'd get at least a more serious view.of.it. Even if they are still slightly undermining the danger
But "a waystone's been corrupted my lord, and a giant herd of beastmen is riding out to kill you", and then you need to go out and personally take care of it, because that's kinda your duty, and everyone would side-eye you if you didn't.
Also helps that most Cults, and the Collages are kinda anti-chaos dedicated, so having someone ignore the spewing stone of Dhar would annoy them. Which is pretty bad given the wide political influence, and the fact most population do follow these cults
If climate change personally manifiested evil demons in the backyards of rich people, and they had to clean them up, i think you'd get at least a more serious view.of.it. Even if they are still slightly undermining the danger
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[X] Imperial Dispensation
[X] Conspiracy
[X] Conspiracy
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Woo! doot on the way!
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- USA
Someone got in their vote five minutes before it closed; I don't think I've seen anyone cut it this fine before. At least, not when the closing is manual instead of timer-based.
They will do what they will do irrespective of the choice here on account that they are likely to be upset by messing with Waystones at all not anything to do with Dhar. There are probably low ranked perpetuals by the score who know 'there is a waystone project' because Max asked to go into everyone's libraries
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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This confused me so much until I remembered that shutting the project down was an actual vote option.
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Part of me wants to try recruiting Ulthuan into the project.
It would probably not succeed, but the failure might be very entertaining.