Mopman43
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I think the Lore of the Wild is Dhar + Ghur, similar to Necromancy being Dhar + Shyish and the Eshin Lore of Stealth being Dhar + Ulgu.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I thought that Emperor would not be involved, since it's just a College problem, and Dragomas is capable of dealing with it.
Looking at the articles I do not think Dragonas can do it on his own, the only way to grant dispensation from Article Seven seems to be leaning on the Imperial power granted over the colleges above. Dragonas should not be able to formally grant dispensation on his own as he too is under the authority of Article Seven. After all the intent is 'don't touch the bad magic' not 'don't couch the bad magic unless the head wizard tells you'.
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Do we actually know that it's that simple? Or even that it works like that in rough terms?
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I don't think Chaos Magic is any different from regular divine magic.
Huh. I guess Emperor will just approve Dispensation, without actually looking into it? Since, you know, he would've consult Dragomas either way if we went straight to him.
It's leaning on the room for interpretation in Article 7. Under the strictest reading of it, it would have been illegal for Mathilde to counterspell necromantic spells in Sylvania, since to counter them she has to look at them to see what they're doing and how to interfere with them and that can be thought of as studying the unholy ways of Necromancy. Under the loosest reading of it, it only bars attempting to learn how to cast the actual spells. This means that if a person is performing what may technically be thought of as a breach of Article 7 to some, them having dispensation from the Supreme Patriarch means that it's been considered at the highest levels and deemed acceptable, and if anyone wants to dispute that they need to take it up with the Supreme Patriarch instead of just throwing the Wizard in question on a pyre and calling it a day.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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The Lores of Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Slannesh don't really have anything in common with Divine Magic, mechanically.
[X] College Dispensation
Ok vote change , I had a while to think about it and I think we should go through the proper channels. Besides what has been mentioned, Alaric not being able to do much, saving the great deed, and so on. I think Mathilde will need the Colleges and showing she can work with them and trust them is important to continue the relationship she has.
Ok vote change , I had a while to think about it and I think we should go through the proper channels. Besides what has been mentioned, Alaric not being able to do much, saving the great deed, and so on. I think Mathilde will need the Colleges and showing she can work with them and trust them is important to continue the relationship she has.
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[X] College Dispensation
[X] Accede
Properly or not at all. There's no particular need for shortcutting here besides showboating.
[X] Accede
Properly or not at all. There's no particular need for shortcutting here besides showboating.
K von Carstein
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What's the difference? I must admit I never played the tabletop so I don't know much about the mechanics.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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The Lores I mentioned work the same as any other magic- Winds, High, Dark, Great Maw, Big and Little Waaagh, etc.
My understanding is, you try to cast a spell, you roll dice (d6s) equal to your Wizard level, if you get any doubles that's a miscast, if you get over the cost of the spell you successfully cast it.
Warrior Priests on tabletop (basically all Sigmar, except for Ulric back in Storm of Chaos) have a set of Battle Prayers that generally have somewhat smaller effects and much lower range (only effects the unit the Warrior Priest is part of) but I don't think they miscast. Not sure you roll for them, either.
If I got anything wrong, anybody with actual tabletop experience please correct me.
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Tbh, that just leans me towards
[x] Imperial Dispensation
Because I don't think there's much of a technicality here.
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I've noticed multiple mentions regarding Imperial Dispensation and Great Deed expenditure. Did I fail reading comprehension somewhere? Because I didn't see anything saying that the option would cost us our Great Deed. All I can think of is that it might cost us our Great Deed if we roll badly but not bad enough for it to be a critical failure. But in such a case College Dispensation would have troublesome consequences as well and probably not the kind that can just be paid off with an expensive resource.
I guess I'll go back to the chapter and read its end more slowly, trying to pay attention to any mention of the Great Deed.
Edit: Nope. Nothing about Great Deeds there. Did I miss a Boney post?
What's wrong with showboating? Or more concretely, what is so extremely terrible about showboating that you'd rather cancel the whole Waystone Project after we spent more than two IRL years recruiting for it?
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Mathilde is a Lady Magister. She was vetted the heck out of for normal Magister and even more for LM. She's been on the watch list forever and has been found good.
Ehhh I doubt it. This ain't Wuxia world were reading about physical techniques on paper makes you capable of doing them irl. Only so much reading about how to do sick cool counter helps with pulling it off imo.
It brings me back to that absolutely kino moment where Mathilde touches Gretel, tears the magic out of her and snuffs it in the palm of hand. I really wonder how weirded out the kids were on scale from 1 to 10, because that shouldn't be possible, right
Lol yup. Wonder if they think this is just typical Grey Wizard secrets now. "Ah yeah that's also why they're the secret police." Hope they don't expect random Grey Wizard to help with miscasts in the future.
Burned_Cookie
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Mathilde aggressively ascending to godhood so she can deliver her complains about Sigmar in person.
No, nothing was said about Great Deed. Only speculation that we can use it in case Emperor would be uncooperative.
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... you saw nothing >.>
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Imperial Dispensation is kinda up in the air, in that regard.
The Emperor might just take us at our words, since we are a hero and know quanity and all, and just grants us dispensation no problem or questions asked, or he might decide he needs more info and go ask every single cult leader about this whole "Dhar in waystone" things, letting the cat out of the bag anyway, and eventually refuse it, or demand our Great deed as payment.
For the people who are looking to keep this totally secret, Imperial Dispensation is both the greatest reward and the biggest drawback, it's the classical gamble choice of this turn. Which on a normal turn, would been a perfect place to have the Gambler coin on, though this is much more of a sudden choice, so we can't plan around it.
The Emperor might just take us at our words, since we are a hero and know quanity and all, and just grants us dispensation no problem or questions asked, or he might decide he needs more info and go ask every single cult leader about this whole "Dhar in waystone" things, letting the cat out of the bag anyway, and eventually refuse it, or demand our Great deed as payment.
For the people who are looking to keep this totally secret, Imperial Dispensation is both the greatest reward and the biggest drawback, it's the classical gamble choice of this turn. Which on a normal turn, would been a perfect place to have the Gambler coin on, though this is much more of a sudden choice, so we can't plan around it.
He would 100% go and consult Dragomas. The difference is, Dragomas is not legally required to notify anyone about that, just to give his opinion to the Emperor.
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Yea, i fully believe that the Emperor would at the very least check in with Dragomas, since he is the collage leader, and Grand Theolgan being the anti-dark magic guy, in the case we go to ask him, but at the end of the day, this isn't gurantied.
This is ceding controll over to the Emperor, so he could do something extremly benefical for us, or he might not, it's kinda the risk compared to the Collage dispensation where all the Patriachs are notified instead. In one, we have a semi-large, but overall on our side quanity that finds out, and in the other there is an unknow, but most likely way smaller party that finds out, but one we can't can't fully be assured would agree with us
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So people are portraying that as a negative when actually it is a positive aspects of that particular option? Namely that it is the only option where we can pay off a potential subpar role with a concrete currency? The only way that that makes sense is if they either a) think that the roll(s) in question have a much higher target number than they would with Collegiate Dispensation, or b) they'd rather see the Project fail than see the thread expend a Great Deed to save it and want to preempt putting the thread in such a situation in the first place, or c) they think the opposite is the case and they're worried that the majority of the thread will rather let the Waystone Project fail than spend a Great Deed on it, thus again not wanting to even risk that a little bit.