See, there it is again. There is nothing improper about going to the Emperor with that, it's not secretly cheating or breaking the rules.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Mopman43
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If going straight to the Emperor isn't improper, than why is going through the Colleges described as proper?
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[X] Imperial Dispensation
The proper order of things is the order you should follow in normal cases, which makes sense. It's the proper order not the right order or the only order. Bypassing it doesn't mean we ignore it completely but that we go to the logical end point, the emperor. The emperor is the highest authority in the empire. Period. If he says it's ok, then it is ok and no one who is not crazy or wants to overthrow the emperor (sometimes even with good reason I will say "cough"Dieter"cough") will deny this.
I find this case enough of a delicate matter to ignore the proper order and go right to the top.
We bypass proper channels entirely. That doesn't make Emperor option improper, just remove said proper channels from equation.
Well, I used Great Deed example as a positive. Made a note that if we somehow will not reach understanding, we could use Great Deed to make things better.
Because there can be several proper ways to do a thing, one is just not usually going to get you much. Even for a Lord/Lady Magister, getting your petition heard by the Emperor is probably not very likely.
Can Great Deeds be used in political infighting in any other way than flexing "I've done a deed" muscle?
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If I understand this right, if we get the college dispensation and someone will have a problem with our research they will need to go complain to Dragomas.
Then would they need to go to the Emperor if we get the imperial dispensation ?
[X] College Dispensation
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Since only the Emperor can cancel Emperor orders, I assume they would.
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I think they would still go to Dragomas first, and then if Dragomas agrees with their complaint, they would have to go to the emperor to report us to get our dispensation reversed.
And the Emperor listens to Dragomas.
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...that underwater disappearing sword trick research action may have just become a lot more immediately relevant.
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Not really.
We know that water pressure works normally in warhammer.
The question is, does an absence of winds in an area result in a similar dynamic where the absence of magic gets filled in?
If the problem is specifically about Article 7, yes.
Imperial dispensasion, bypassing peer review of people who have the skill and the phisical ability to vouch and judge Mathilde's request and argument... is akin to asking a king or absolute monarch to vouch a research for (in example) covid cure with nothing but our good rep so far, without consulting an army of medical doctors to vouch for us.
(In that example, any kind of research of virus is forbidden, infear of breakout or weaponsized covid).
Nobody is above the law, but in the instance we do NEED to be above the law (a dispensasion), maybe such step (go for the emperor) is mandated. But i dont think this is the case.
Lets just follow the proper rule to and ask everyone of our peer if this is okay.
If necessary, bring the elves to provide the supporting expert arguments.
(In that example, any kind of research of virus is forbidden, infear of breakout or weaponsized covid).
Nobody is above the law, but in the instance we do NEED to be above the law (a dispensasion), maybe such step (go for the emperor) is mandated. But i dont think this is the case.
Lets just follow the proper rule to and ask everyone of our peer if this is okay.
If necessary, bring the elves to provide the supporting expert arguments.
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To use your analogy, we are not consulting said doctors with College Dispensation. We asking a Minister instead of President to vouch for us, who will in turn send to said doctors memo that we are going to use their subordinates for covid research.
NavySeel
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To me it seems more like asking to research a covid cure, if said cure could also potentially release another variant of covid, or turn you into a covid cultist who wants to spread covid.
While skipping over the people who could look know what you were actually asking.
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This is, as the chapter title suggests, Day One of the project.
If the results of the very first day suggest that it is so against the law that the proper channels can't be trusted for getting dispensation to continue, that does not say good things about the viability of the project.
If the results of the very first day suggest that it is so against the law that the proper channels can't be trusted for getting dispensation to continue, that does not say good things about the viability of the project.
Dragomas will be the only one who evaluates our request in either variant. The only difference is that in College variant he is legally required to notify other Patriarchs, when in Imperial he just states his opinion on the matter to the Emperor.
This was never a question "Will we get Dispensation?". We, most certainly, will. This is about "Which way would be less troublesome for the Project?"
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[X] College Dispensation
Also, the Waystone dhar thing isn't that illegal. Most people already know how to make Dhar—take two winds and mush them together. Finding out that waystones have a mechanism for doing this on purpose doesn't actually change much at all—it just means that all Waystone research automatically falls under Article 7, which is an oversight, because A7 exists to prevent wizards using Dhar for a quick power boost at the expense of their sanity. Waystones don't corrupt unless they are broken or tampered with, which is something the enemies of the Empire already know how to do.
Alectai
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I mean, there's too many people involved in this for it to be a great secret, so why not do it by the book and disarm a potential landmine?
Technically, we just discovered that Waystones could be used as an automatic Winds to Dhar converter. While not corruptive per se, I would say this is an important enough matter to fall under Article.
That's why I wouldn't be terribly disappointed if College option wins. Just prefer Imperial option because we can release this secret when we have some success, rather than in the beginning of the Project. Also, Dispensation written by the Emperor himself is best landmine disarming tool you can obtain in the Empire.