Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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"They're only exceeding their logging quotas by a little bit, and it was probably an accident, and starting to murder people would put the entire agreement in jeopardy. We've told the Grand Baron what's happened and he's said he'll look into it."
And then for a couple of years Nordland stays within the limits, and then they exceed them a little more, and then Laurelorn complain and it stops for a shorter time, and then they exceed it again and by then it's the new status quo and the Eonir decide, well, this isn't that big a deal, we're not endangered by such a small breach of the agreement, it wouldn't be right to start killing people now. Then it goes even further, and wow, if we start killing people who cross the established line, that would be a lot of people at this stage, and that would probably mean war with Nordland, and we're not sure we could win war with Nordland and we're sure we can't win war with the entire Empire, and they complain to the current Grand Baron and he looks into it and finds out that three villages, two towns, and a quarter of his capital's economy are dependent on breaching that treaty and have been since the time of his grandfather, so he says reassuring things to Laurelorn without actually changing anything.
After eight hundred years of this, a holy place on the wrong side of the river became a shrine became a temple became a whole village and the lumberjacks from it are forty miles from Tor Lithanel. If it weren't with being on the same side of a battle as the Army of Middenland against Beastmen in the Schadensumpf at a time where Laurelorn's internal political situation allowed for the building of new ties, they'd still be backed into that same corner.
Interoceptory senses are ones that sense things inside the body, rather than outside of it.
Assuming you mean the mono-Wind towers, any Wizard could benefit from them, but general belief within the Colleges is that Journeymen should be kept away from them, because one of the major points of Journeying is that it forces them to learn how to do magic outside of mono-Wind environments.
Ericwinter
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I thought the MATHILDE towers were the rooms of Calamity we bribed the dwarves into setting up in the Colleges with that first batch of AV we gave Thorek? like ten gallons I think?
Each College's room has an alliterative two-word name that started with a letter from Mathilde.
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If that's the case, the wording of the question is confusing because most of those rooms aren't Towers.
If it's those, any Wizard trying something at the edge of what they're capable of can benefit from those.
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That outcome almost makes Athel Loren's strategy of "Always shoot them, right away" seem reasonable.
Ericwinter
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Fair, though I'll admit I myself tend to think of it as a separate tower at times, so I would believe someone else doing the same.
Huh surprisingly soft for elves, honestly will be interesting to see how Mathilde will handle this when those logging starts again and the Eonir put pressure on her and her project.
If Nordland or at least at local level rulers, rich merchants does not learn their lesson from the previous villagers disappearance, i would vote to go far more harsher to end this crap once and for all, as Lady Magister of the Grey we do have options to screw them.
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fictionfan
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Do we? What articles would we be working under? Yes we are a noble, but that by itself isn't going to get people to do anything. What are we going to do personally terrify each individual logger?
We do have one advantage. Currently the price of timber in the empire should be at a close to all time low.
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Nordland believes that the approximately ten thousand people who lived on the wrong side of the border are all dead. That's probably going to leave an impression for at least a generation.
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I think it's more pragmatism. Boney mentioned that they're not sure they could beat just Nordland, and definitely would get wiped out if the Empire was involved. They're less cocky than Ulthuan and less beligirent than Athel Loren, which means their practicality can take hold.
That remind me can the Eonir still restore the long cleared farmed areas, regrow all the lost forest and add few extra defences or is that too much effort?
Sound like a good project for the Jade order and Eonir to work together on.
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Actually I think that the most useful thing to prevent this in the future is teaching the elves that due to humans short lives, their sense of time is significantly different.
The reason why I believe it is more effective to teach the elves this, rather than the humans is because humans die and thus forget a lot quicker.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Wonder if there is any way to somehow stain the ground red to see if that makes it stick longer.
They're already doing it. That's what Vicereine Cadaeth has been doing at Oldenlitz.
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I'm pretty sure that's what Cadaeth is doing with Oldenlitz. It was a logging town and now it's ruined and full of fledgeling Lornalim that she's tending to. In the very short time since Mathilde had last seen it the Lornalim have grown beyond the sapling stage. It does require the full time maintenance of a dedicated high level... whatever Cadaeth is, however.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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The Eonir are likely fully capable of doing it themselves or if they aren't the jade order isn't going to be much help. However they might still bring the jade order into the project just to get more empire buy in.
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That's the one. Thanks. Makes me happy to know Eike's gonna benefit from that, maybe Mandred too.
Oh, my bad.
This fixes nothing. The cause of the problem is already very well known.
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As far as I understand it the issue is that individual humans made small egressions over the treaty - so small that the elves decided to ignore it. These built over time and then coupled with the lack of response from the elves lead to the humans forgetting about the treaty - or else believing that it was ancient history and thus null and void.
I am hoping that if the elves remind the humans that the treaty exists and is still active: say every 30 years the treaty will have more weight.
Is this unfair for the elves? Yes.
Is it also unfair for humans to be told that their livelihood which has been running unchanged and uncomplained about for generations is now all of a sudden illegal and worthy of death? Also yes.
Edit: the purpose of pointing out the unfairness is not to pass blame: I am not wanting to get into that again, it is to point out that due to people (both elves and humans) being imperfect there is no perfect solution.
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Except they did do this repeatedly and were lied to each time.
That's the thing though. I don't think EC of Nordland is even aware of most of these small transgressions. Those are mostly done by people on the ground, none of which is deliberately planned and is not worth raising a fuss about. Except they add up and on the scale of centuries end up hurting the Eonir.
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Because humans are short lived, which contributes to their forgetfulness. Again this isn't fair on the elves, but in my opinion it is making the best of a bad job.
I am not. I also think that it was not malicious on the part of most of the humans, and that those who were more malicious found justification in the generations of no response. Furthermore the villages who were born in the villages that their grandfathers grew up etc. are innocent.