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The theory I was talking about is a part of a much larger hypothesis of linguistic relativity, which says that linguistic categories and usage influence thought and decisions.

In the context of the rainbow, it would mean that the words for colors influence how you perceive it. Not determine, mind - apparently the hard version of that hypothesis was quite thoroughly disproven - but influence. Whether you use three, five, six or seven words would have some effect on subjective perception of an objective phenomenon - like, for example, the number of colored strips you can see in a rainbow, even if you know that any number of strips is pure illusion.

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At no point have I been incorrect about that theory: I disagree that the evidence supports it and frankly I place a high enough bar on evidence for anything that would claim to understand the internal perceptions of the mind that I'm not sure its testable.
 
I believe Broccoli is a purely human engineered plant? I haven't done a lot of research on the topic and I don't know if it's a thing in the current Warhammer period, but that's probably one of the biggest examples of "taming plants" that I personally know of.
There's like five different modern crops including broccoli derived from a common wild ancestor that looks completely different. It's amazing.

Five is a rather low estimate. This all falls under the genus brassica, basically cabbages and mustards, and its one of the most important crops in europe and asia. There are so many different crops and variations that its difficult to say how many. To spare the thread a long diatribe I just suggest going on a wikicrawl if youre interested. Theres also some good videos on it to find.



To throw my hat into the ring in the color/rainbow debate how about theres roundabout 400 colors, the perception of those is for artists and product designers to discuss? :p

The etymology of a word is less important to its meaning than how people use it though. The idea that bisexual excludes NB attraction is one I've only ever seen suggested by people who aren't themselves bisexual and is always rejected.

Id rather not insert myself in this discussion but as a scientist this hurts me on an intellectual level. The clarity of definitions is the foundation of useful debate/research/everything. Sure I could name something applepie, but everyone would assume I mean applepies. When I then go and tell you to multiply it with the rotational axis youd just be confused. Is there someway to multiply applepies? Do I want to throw an applepie? Did I just name 2 applepie, 3 rotational axis and just went 2x3? When the definitions not clear, theres only confusion, as theres infinite possibilities what you could have meant.
Etymology is the tool to make other people, whom you couldnt explain your definition to, understand the meaning of your words and arguments.
 
Most place names mean either "place of the geographical feature" or "place of the people who live there".
And the name of the geographical feature itself is often just descriptive anyway, eg. big hill, small hill, hill with castle, river with mill, ... Even without foreign invaders a lot of these names have just eroded over the centuries to being unrecognizable.
 
The Bisexual manifesto defines Bisexuality as "Attraction to two or more genders". No bisexual person that I've ever involved myself with excludes nonbinary people. Just because "Bi" means two doesn't mean we're only attracted to two genders.
I'm genuinely confused. What's the difference with pansexuality then? Is there a difference?

I also believe that a person can call themselves whatever they want and mean anything they want by that.
Agreed on the first, but hard disagree on the second. If people don't have the same definition of a word and can mean anything by it, it becomes impossible to have coherent discussions on the subject. Especially on matters as complex and nuanced as sexuality and gender.
 
That's kind of backwards logic? Yeah, it makes sense that we would categorize other suns and moons like the one we've always known, but by that logic other planets should be called other Earths, instead of planets or worlds.
They sometimes are. The "earths"/"planets" distinction is similar to the "suns"/"stars" distinction - in both cases we were aware of some of them before we knew they were the same sort of thing as our local one.

A star is only a sun if it's one we imagine people living in orbit of - a planet is only an earth if we can imagine life existing on it independently of ours that is very similar to ours.

Id rather not insert myself in this discussion but as a scientist this hurts me on an intellectual level. The clarity of definitions is the foundation of useful debate/research/everything. Sure I could name something applepie, but everyone would assume I mean applepies. When I then go and tell you to multiply it with the rotational axis youd just be confused. Is there someway to multiply applepies? Do I want to throw an applepie? Did I just name 2 applepie, 3 rotational axis and just went 2x3? When the definitions not clear, theres only confusion, as theres infinite possibilities what you could have meant.
It sounds like you're talking about physics - but that's the field in which "Truth" and "Beauty" were flavours (they've now been renamed "Top" and "Bottom" to match the other flavours "Up" and "Down" - but "Strange" and "Charm" have kept their original names).

[My other favourite linguistic tidbit from my bachelors in physics was Bra-Ket notation where "Bra"s are denoted as "<x|" and "Ket"s as "|y>"]
 
You run your eyes over the surrounding trees. "Firing platforms and metal farms and spite nests and caltrops and watchdogs, all in one. The entire forest has been sculpted into the ideal terrain for skirmish and attrition, a hundred miles of it in every direction around Tor Lithanel and the Wishing Woods and the Rainbow Falls."

"And then Nordland started peeling it away."

You nod grimly. "Schlaghugel is maybe sixty miles from Tor Lithanel, and their loggers would have been following the river upstream so it could carry the logs back to the village for processing. If they bypassed the hilly terrain immediately upriver of them, they could have been logging less than forty miles from Tor Lithanel's walls."

Panoramia grimaces. "That puts a new face on matters. I'd thought the matter was a match for the reputation of the Asrai, killing at the slightest provocation, over just a few felled trees and a few tiny villages on the wrong side of a river. But to lose half of their buffer zone..."

You nod. "And at a pace too slow for any one Nordlander to be meaningfully responsible. It's been eight hundred years of very slow encroachment."

She sighs. "What a mess."

It's been a long time since I read the earlier sections, but did the Eonir consider drawing a red line?

DO NOT TRESPASS IF YOU WANT TO LIVE would be very clear. Then someone trespasses, and you send their corpse back to the nearest village with a note saying that anyone who crosses the line had better prepare their funeral in advance.

It seems like this whole crisis could have been averted if the Eonir had just marked and enforced their boundaries from the beginning.
 
Honestly I do not get what the big deal is, language is messy. Of curse you are going to have synonyms in this as much as in anything else and since this is emerging vocabulary in the era of the internet all the more so.
 
It's been a long time since I read the earlier sections, but did the Eonir consider drawing a red line?

DO NOT TRESPASS IF YOU WANT TO LIVE would be very clear. Then someone trespasses, and you send their corpse back to the nearest village with a note saying that anyone who crosses the line had better prepare their funeral in advance.

It seems like this whole crisis could have been averted if the Eonir had just marked and enforced their boundaries from the beginning.

Imagine you are a literal starving peasant, most of the peasants in the empire are that at one point in their lives or another. You see one, two three of your neighbors go over the line. Most of them come back dead, but maybe one in ten comes back with a lump of gold that can buy your whole village. It's even odds if you are going to die next winter are you willing to take 10% odds for being wildly rich?
 
Five is a rather low estimate. This all falls under the genus brassica, basically cabbages and mustards, and its one of the most important crops in europe and asia. There are so many different crops and variations that its difficult to say how many. To spare the thread a long diatribe I just suggest going on a wikicrawl if youre interested. Theres also some good videos on it to find.



To throw my hat into the ring in the color/rainbow debate how about theres roundabout 400 colors, the perception of those is for artists and product designers to discuss? :p



Id rather not insert myself in this discussion but as a scientist this hurts me on an intellectual level. The clarity of definitions is the foundation of useful debate/research/everything. Sure I could name something applepie, but everyone would assume I mean applepies. When I then go and tell you to multiply it with the rotational axis youd just be confused. Is there someway to multiply applepies? Do I want to throw an applepie? Did I just name 2 applepie, 3 rotational axis and just went 2x3? When the definitions not clear, theres only confusion, as theres infinite possibilities what you could have meant.
Etymology is the tool to make other people, whom you couldnt explain your definition to, understand the meaning of your words and arguments.
Unless I'm mistaken Etymology is simply the history of a word how it came to be, it has nothing to do with explaining the meaning of it. Words change meaning over time and often have meanings detached from their etymology. Etymology is a fun thing to discuss and talk about but as a tool for understanding the meaning of words it's going to fail you hard.

And while definition is important and something I get annoyed over too sometimes other stuff is more important. When it comes to things like sexuality where people face discrimination and often an outright rejection of their very existence trying to lecture to people what a label they use to describe themself means based purely on it's etymology is unhelpful and possibly even harmful.

You can insist that Bisexual means attraction to exactly two genders as much as you want but that doesn't mean people will suddenly start using that way in everyday speech, if you want to use it that way in a technical sense you can but it means you need to clearly define it as such and accept that not everyone will use it in such a way in everyday speech.
 
Etymology is the tool to make other people, whom you couldnt explain your definition to, understand the meaning of your words and arguments.
Etymology is fun trivia, and I guess you could use as a memory aid, but it absolutely does not matter compared to how a word is actually used. Words can have almost identical etymologies, but mean completely different things, especially across languages. The definition of a word is what is important, and that is dependent on how it is used.
 
Me popping in to read the Divided Loyalties updoot to find a discussion on the basis of sentience and the limits of perception and understanding of the self.

 
It's been a long time since I read the earlier sections, but did the Eonir consider drawing a red line?

DO NOT TRESPASS IF YOU WANT TO LIVE would be very clear. Then someone trespasses, and you send their corpse back to the nearest village with a note saying that anyone who crosses the line had better prepare their funeral in advance.

It seems like this whole crisis could have been averted if the Eonir had just marked and enforced their boundaries from the beginning.

They couldn't escalate without a baker. Suppose they do what you say, and then it's a non-negligible chance that the next trespasser is a Nordlandian army, and the one after that is Imperial army, and they don't like their chances of beating it. Sure, the probability of that happening isn't high, but can they risk it? Is it worth a few trees? Can they keep risking it if peasant trespassing continues regardless? Doesn't it look like intentional provocation, hmm?

As soon as they allied Middenland they proceeded to enforce their claims.
 
Id rather not insert myself in this discussion but as a scientist this hurts me on an intellectual level. The clarity of definitions is the foundation of useful debate/research/everything. Sure I could name something applepie, but everyone would assume I mean applepies. When I then go and tell you to multiply it with the rotational axis youd just be confused. Is there someway to multiply applepies? Do I want to throw an applepie? Did I just name 2 applepie, 3 rotational axis and just went 2x3? When the definitions not clear, theres only confusion, as theres infinite possibilities what you could have meant.
Etymology is the tool to make other people, whom you couldnt explain your definition to, understand the meaning of your words and arguments.
In this case the relevant etymological fact is that the word bisexual entered the public consciousness at a point where genders were commonly considered to be something that there were exactly two of. It originally meant "all of the available options" and has largely retained that meaning in practice even as people's understanding of gender has increased. (Though I'm sure there are some people who use it differently.) Any break from the latin is the result of that history, not any conscious decision making. As a point of comparison, consider how electrical circuits are generally described with their current flowing from the positive terminal to the negative because changing the language would be too much of a bother despite us all knowing it's a less intuitive representation of reality.
 
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Etymology is the tool to make other people, whom you couldnt explain your definition to, understand the meaning of your words and arguments.

Etymology is history for words. In the same way that history helps explain how we got to the current state of the world, etymology helps explain how we got to the current meaning of the word. But neither define the current state of things.
 
So, I recently found out, "Sahara" means "desert" in Arabic.

I'm never making fun of fictional naming conventions anymore. Compared to this, Sandy Beach and Blue Sea practically ooze originality and creativity.

You are going to laugh (because I get amused by this often) but you know transom windows*? In Turkish they are called "vasisdas" which comes from "was ist das" which is german for "What is this".
 
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That's kind of backwards logic? Yeah, it makes sense that we would categorize other suns and moons like the one we've always known, but by that logic other planets should be called other Earths, instead of planets or worlds. But we have other words for the all-encompassing ball of existence we sit on, but when differentiating it we stuck to just one part of what it was made of.
That's because we found other planets later and didn't realise they were the same thing at first. Plus, we didn't name the planet after part of it. Think of Earth as 'ground' not as 'dirt'. It's the stuff beneath your feet, irrelevant of material.

Id rather not insert myself in this discussion but as a scientist this hurts me on an intellectual level. The clarity of definitions is the foundation of useful debate/research/everything. Sure I could name something applepie, but everyone would assume I mean applepies. When I then go and tell you to multiply it with the rotational axis youd just be confused. Is there someway to multiply applepies? Do I want to throw an applepie? Did I just name 2 applepie, 3 rotational axis and just went 2x3? When the definitions not clear, theres only confusion, as theres infinite possibilities what you could have meant.
Etymology is the tool to make other people, whom you couldnt explain your definition to, understand the meaning of your words and arguments.
No, it's not. Language is pretty much always descriptivist, defined by usage, not prescripitivst, defined by an outside entity.

Really? Huh. I could have sworn they were the same language. Shows what I know.
Nah. It's notable that both Gaia/Gaea and Terra/Telluris can be used interchangably for the goddesses, the planet, the stuff you're standing on and sometimes personifications.
 
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