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This is actually debated too. The use of 'wine-dark sea' in the Iliad and the Odyssey has caused a lot of debate over linguistic relativity in regard to colours, and the most common conclusion is that the Ancient Greeks didn't differentiate between dark blue and dark red. In fact, if you look back you find a lot of languages just don't have a word for blue at all. Elsewhere in Greek writing you have chlooros, which is variably used to describe the colour of honey, olive bark, a horse, sand, a scared person's face, and a plague victim's skin. One theory I've seen that might solve this is that the Ancient Greek conception of colour was primarily about its shade rather than its hue, so things would be described as pale or dark rather than as red or blue or green or yellow. Does that mean that Ancient Greek people would actually interpret the world differently as a result? Does thought shape language, or language thought, or both at the same time? It's a tough topic to wrap your mind around, but I suppose it always is when the mind starts to contemplate itself. Please open this box with the crowbar inside the box.

(A more clearly culturally-rooted example is the opening line of the novel Neuromancer: 'the sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel'. Originally it meant static, nowadays many would think it means a clear blue. How long until it doesn't make any sense at all?)
I've heard about this problem with blue in Illiad, but the same video that I've watched about it has later shown the greek word for Indigo, which for me is blue. So... I know that in engligh "blue" and "indigo" are traditionally different colors (hence your rainbow has 7 colors), but in my lanugage indigo is a shade of blue.

E: and then I read the rest of the thread and of course you've already hit the rainbow...
 
I've heard about this problem with blue in Illiad, but the same video that I've watched about it has later shown the greek word for Indigo, which for me is blue. So... I know that in engligh "blue" and "indigo" are traditionally different colors (hence your rainbow has 7 colors), but in my lanugage indigo is a shade of blue.

E: and then I read the rest of the thread and of course you've already hit the rainbow...
Whether indigo exists, either in the rainbow or the EM spectrum is a source of debate. Generally speaking though, in English it's a shade of purple, not blue.
 
I'm pretty sure you mean a shade of violet :) Purple is more reddish according to my research. And by research I mean wikipedia diving about a month ago.

Violet is also a shade of purple. In English purple is an independent colour part way between red and blue, that can be broken into indigo and violet.

Then you have weird stuff like maroon, which is too red to be purple, but too brown to be red.
 
Traditionally, a rainbow has five colours—red, yellow, green, blue, and purple—but Isaac Newton did some experiments with lights and prisms, and he added orange whilst splitting purple into violet and indigo, because (allegedly) he felt that 7 was a more mystical number.

And that tradition varies between cultures too. Apparently Norse saw three?

In the second part of his Edda, the Gylfaginning, Snorri Sturluson gives a systematic account of Norse mythology from the creation of the world to its end. The story is presented in the form of a dialogue, which involves three kings, who answer questions put to them by a certain King Gylfi of Sweden, who wishes to find out about the Æsir.
One of Gylfi's many questions concerns the way to heaven from earth. It is explained to him that Bifr ƒst, the rainbow, is what links earth and heaven, that is has three colors, and that one of the colors is red (rau›r). The two other colors are not named in Snorri's Edda nor are they specified anywhere else in Old Norse-Icelandic literature with the exception of Hauksbók, which describes the appearance of the rainbow in rather unclear terms.

There are other variations too.

You have not proven that they perceive a different rainbow.

You are completely talking past me. I'm not posting to prove anything, I'm describing a theory I once read about. I literally wrote that I don't know if it's correct.
 
A rainbow is a continuous spectrum. It is not actually separated in distinct colors, it's just our mind grouping close colors in visible strips. If you are asked how many colors you can see in a rainbow and you name six colors, it means you see six colors. If you name seven colors, it means you see seven colors. At least that's how the theory goes. I do not know if it's correct, but in this context [colors you can see] and [colors you can subjectively distinguish from what you objectively observe] are the same thing.

Now, as with all descriptions of phenomena, I think this is due to reification.

When I look at a rainbow, it is indeed a continuum. There aren't discrete bands with step changes in between. When you look across it you can identify points which are a colour, but while looking at it you can see that it's a continual range. You don't see it as bands on close inspection.

However, the vast majority of times we see something called a 'rainbow', it's not a real rainbow. It's a symbolic representation of a rainbow drawn with discrete colours. That's the context in which we firstly describe rainbows, and secondly, how we organise our memories of them, which is a much more challenging point.
 
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You are completely talking past me. I'm not posting to prove anything, I'm describing a theory I once read about. I literally wrote that I don't know if it's correct.
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The theory sounds like bunk to me
When you are standing up to correct me on a theory I disagree with you are implicitly stating that either I've misunderstood something in the theory which you're trying to clarify or that I'm incorrect in my disagreement.
Your original statement completely skipped showing where I had misunderstood and just said I was wrong. So I assumed you supported it.
I have elaborated on why I think that the tests cannot prove what the theory states. I don't understand why you think that we need to argue that my interpretations of the results disagree with an alternate theory that you (disagree with) /(are undecided on) is somehow a problem.
What is even the point of all this? It seems that my understanding of the theory I disagree with is adequate so you have nothing to correct me on, and you're also not willing to commit to agreeing with the theory I disagree with.
If we're talking past each other, it seems this is the moment it started.
 
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I'm skimming through so I might be misreading, but I think there's some negative energy here that should probably not be released in such a manner. Probably best to think twice about posting if you're feeling heated.
 
Nerd pan is lovely as always.
She looks down, and then kneels to inspect the underside of the platform. "With provisions too, judging by the fruit."

"Or a convenient source of poison for their arrows."

Panoramia withdraws her hand from where she'd been about to pluck one. "That would be a possibility too," she says, opening her satchel and fishing through it for gloves and a glass jar.
This little part especially. Very revealing - enthusiasm pushing her past ordinary safety precautions, but a single reminder has her switching... smoothly?

Honestly, I suppose the narration isn't specific enough to say how sudden or composed her switch to using PPE was. Pan flexing her wizard face saving skills, mathilde politely ignoring a breach in it, or both? Who's to say. I imagined it as composed, though.
- I normally prefer longer updates, but the weather's been playing up here and I'll feel better knowing there's no chance of losing this if my computer ends up floating out to sea.
I certainly hope you have some off-site backups running. Microsoft Onedrive, perhaps?
 
So, I recently found out, "Sahara" means "desert" in Arabic.

I'm never making fun of fictional naming conventions anymore. Compared to this, Sandy Beach and Blue Sea practically ooze originality and creativity.
 
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