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I don't think grey wizards that get up close an personal are that rare. While they might could use shadow daggers, swords have more reach.
The only time it would be relevant is when you fight something armored. Considering the fact that the list of creatures where that would be a significant benefit means they would be heavily armored, you are either fighting a black ork or chaos warrior.
It's not like Chaos & Blacks Orcs are the only ones to use armor. If a wizard found themselves surrounded by heretic state troopers, armor-piecing would be useful
 
Err strictly speaking, we do have that on the character sheet.
Huh, that master swordswoman thing has got me thinking.

Is our sword style something we can write down and pass off as a written combat primer with techniques to study from? We obviously can't really add in all the nifty stuff we adapted for use with our Runesword, but what about the rest of it?
 
I don't think grey wizards that get up close an personal are that rare. While they might could use shadow daggers, swords have more reach.

It's not like Chaos & Blacks Orcs are the only ones to use armor. If a wizard found themselves surrounded by heretic state troopers, armor-piecing would be useful
A lot more useful would be casting virtually any of the confounding spells and getting the fuck out of dodge. Grey Wizard's place is not on the frontline, in general.

That Mathilde defies this is great, but she already has tool for this shit that far eclipses anything she could magic up, and if anyone wants battlefield version they will most likely be battlemage and thus know Okkam's mindrazor, which is a frankly lot more powerful spell than shadow daggers could ever hope to be.

The dagger version already covers pretty much anything grey wizard needs from a close range weapon.
 
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I don't think grey wizards that get up close an personal are that rare. While they might could use shadow daggers, swords have more reach.

It's not like Chaos & Blacks Orcs are the only ones to use armor. If a wizard found themselves surrounded by heretic state troopers, armor-piecing would be useful
Depends on context. In an assassination or intrigue action, sure. In a pitched battle, you probably don't want your wizards in the melee over casting spells in most cases.

Shadow Dagger doesn't exist outside our mastery yet. If you meant Shadow Knives, those are projectiles and would definitely have more range than a sword.
Huh, that master swordswoman thing has got me thinking.

Is our sword style something we can write down and pass off as a written combat primer with techniques to study from? We obviously can't really add in all the nifty stuff we adapted for use with our Runesword, but what about the rest of it?
In theory, sure. In practice, master swordsmen are a lot more common than master wizards. It's a lot easier to find somebody skilled in the sword, so it doesn't make sense for Mathilde to do that over stuff she's more uniquely qualified for.
 
Huh, that master swordswoman thing has got me thinking.

Is our sword style something we can write down and pass off as a written combat primer with techniques to study from? We obviously can't really add in all the nifty stuff we adapted for use with our Runesword, but what about the rest of it?
I mean, that's kinda why a lot of people want to make the shadowsword, so that we can adapt our runesword techniques, and give that to the Grey College.

Then we'd have an official sword style of one of the major institutions of the old world named after us, and wouldn't that be neat.
 
In theory, sure. In practice, master swordsmen are a lot more common than master wizards. It's a lot easier to find somebody skilled in the sword, so it doesn't make sense for Mathilde to do that over stuff she's more uniquely qualified for.
I see. Now that's got me wondering how many wizards could have written combat primers and if we'd even be unique in the Colleges for having done so.
 
Is our sword style something we can write down and pass off as a written combat primer with techniques to study from? We obviously can't really add in all the nifty stuff we adapted for use with our Runesword, but what about the rest of it?
Probably not, from Mathilde's combat with Drycha the runes are the primary part of her style, she designed it for and around it so not a lot would be left if you make it mundane.

Markus' teachings are probably applicable? Not really viable though, greatswords are the worst logistics wise and children(?) are gonna be the one's learning it, also can't really fit a whole fighting style in the curriculum in the time before someone goes journeying. I think, journeying is age-based and not just trying for a promotion to magister right?

Man I wish Markus lived, I would've been fine if he became as relevant as Kasmir, he was the first social link after Anton iirc.
 
Simulating the R&D output of five thousand Wizards would be a full-time job. It can be assumed that there's a constant trickle of niche cantrips and oddities being discovered and published, but spells useful and accessible enough to be adopted into the core spell list are much rarer.



I haven't encountered anything about this before, and the only relevant result I can find for it on Google is that it's the case in Twin Holds quest.



Salzenmund is on the eastern edge of Laurelorn and the worldroot branch reaches it from the southeast, passing through the Forest of Shadows instead of Laurelorn.



Probably because there's an already-existing spell called 'buying a sword'. The material components are ten gold crowns and it can be performed at any blacksmith on the continent.
Your primer on the major Karaks in the info thread mark did include saying that there is a Wutroth grove in Karak Norn.
 
I haven't encountered anything about this before, and the only relevant result I can find for it on Google is that it's the case in Twin Holds quest.
I was actually going by the description you wrote on the major holds of the Karaz Ankor:
Karak Norn's gates, unlike most Dwarfholds, are not found at the base of a mountain, but instead atop a massive forested plateau, upon which the last known Wutroth grove can be found.
So would this not be the case, and Karak norn doesn't actually have a wutroth grove?
 
I don't think grey wizards that get up close an personal are that rare. While they might could use shadow daggers, swords have more reach.
I'm pretty sure shadow knives is a projectile spell. Reach is much shorter.

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M / Shadow Knives: You conjure and throw several knives (scaling with magical ability and mastery of the spell) at a target at short range that passes through any non-magical armour.
Its actually a varient/mastery, the shadow chisel which combines with the enchanting stuff that might be used in close quarters?
 
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Your primer on the major Karaks in the info thread mark did include saying that there is a Wutroth grove in Karak Norn.

Well there you have it, then. Wonder where I got it from.

I was actually going by the description you wrote on the major holds of the Karaz Ankor:

So would this not be the case, and Karak norn doesn't actually have a wutroth grove?

They do. Informational threadmarks trump offhand comments I made in response to an unrelated question six months ago.
 
Mathilde's Final Point

Mathilde's last retort.
Retort names are better for ranged weapons I think.

I'm confused, how?

If anything it seems like it might make things worse because the Empire now has a potential source of Elven goods, breaking Marienburg's monopoly.
Marienburg doesn't have a monopoly in-quest I believe. Erengrad having enough contact with the Elves that the local hag is familiar with them and how they act would argue against it.
 
Well there you have it, then. Wonder where I got it from.
I think I remember seeing it as a 'quest idea' in one of the RPG books. were the party has to protect a cut-off in a pot... for some reason.

though I'm now questioning if I remembered that, or mixing it up with a different one with a simpler plot form 4ed.

I deff read it somewhere, so it has to be a 2ed/4ed RPG book, because I barely ever look at the army books.
 
Probably because there's an already-existing spell called 'buying a sword'. The material components are ten gold crowns and it can be performed at any blacksmith on the continent.

True, but that didn't seem to stop the brights. We've seen Adela use one fire-sword spell already and I think there is an upgraded version too.

Maybe they're just that much more extra than the greys.
 
True, but that didn't seem to stop the brights. We've seen Adela use one fire-sword spell already and I think there is an upgraded version too.

Maybe they're just that much more extra than the greys.
The Flaming Sword of Rhuin is less an actual sword and more a means of enhancing existing weapons.
 
I'm confused, how?

If anything it seems like it might make things worse because the Empire now has a potential source of Elven goods, breaking Marienburg's monopoly.
God Marienburg must hate Mathilde by now.

If they know who she is, then they've probably figured out that she's been the person who has screwed them out of their power base at every turn. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to assassinate her at some point.
 
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God Marienburg must hate Mathilde by now.
If they know who she is, then they've probably figured out that she's been the person who has screwed them out of their power base at every turn. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to assassinate her at some point.
If they're at all intelligent they can probably realize that such an attempt would be tracked back to them, successful or not, and then they have at least two extremely angry Dwarf holds to deal with, just for a start.
 
If they're at all intelligent they can probably realize that such an attempt would be tracked back to them, successful or not, and then they have at least two extremely angry Dwarf holds to deal with, just for a start.
We suspect they sabotaged the Black Waters canal project by spreading sickness, which makes their intelligence kinda questionable already.

And depending on who and how they hired the assassins it is unclear whether or not it could be traced back to them. They might think that it would be easy to get away with based on what happened with the dwarf ship that got bombed if they've heard about that.

Is it likely, no, but if Mathilde keeps poking the merchants with a stick, eventually they're going to try to smack back.
 
Wasn't Adela using her wand as the hilt of a blade made entirely of fire?
Yep. Relevant bits:
Adela's flaming sword flickers from an underpowered casting as it emerges from her wand,
Flame Saber: Adela is growing increasingly skilled with the Flaming Sword of Rhuin.
Wand of Aqshy: Adela's self-created and very short 'staff' is filled with gaseous Aqshy, allowing her to rapidly cast spells that manifest as various forms of fire.
Flaming Sword of Rhun: Summons lightsaber
 
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Likely something like "Gain recognition from Tsarevich Boris for herself/the Hag Witch collective/Erengrad".
Probably also "Establish a closer relation and learn magic from the Grey Lords". And maybe "Gain some influence over the Colleges of Altdorf". Eight separate Orders each fully focused on a single aspect of their goddess must tickle them something fierce, even if (or maybe especially because) they themselves would never do something like that.
That's a copout answer, though, and we probably do have to actually come up with how a sword can come out of Ulgu before we can get anywhere with that, so its a good question.
I posted a couple of ways to bridge the concept gap a couple pages ago.
Teclisian Magic is all about a wizard's personal understanding of their wind, and if anybody's going to finally justify that Sword of Ulgu story, the LM who built her career relying on swordsmanship is probably the one to do it.
Not to mention the LM who with one stroke killed half a million souls with a combination of Ulgu and Zharrvengryn, the sword fabled to have separated a sub-dimension from the Aethyr.
Ulgu-Gazul connection is the thing we built and speculation due to thematic similarities.
"We" here being Mathilde from an IC perspective. Mathilde's paradigm and viewpoint is perfect for this and the reason no one did it before is because their paradigm didn't fit as well.

Magic isn't science. It's closer to science if you're a Dwarf or an Elf, but we are Human. A concept making perfect sense for a Wind in one specific Wizard's mind is exactly how you get awesome new spells that everyone else finds weird.
Or it simply means that the amount of Winds needed for that represent only a drop in the bucket compared to what is send back to the Warp.
Is it spit back into the Warp? I thought it was thrown out into space. Or am I confusing Warhammer canon with Warcraft canon?
Depends on context. In an assassination or intrigue action, sure. In a pitched battle, you probably don't want your wizards in the melee over casting spells in most cases.
Even during assassination there's gribblies that are hard to kill with a dagger. Especially if the target is relatively alert instead of sleeping and the assassin only gets close through superb stealth skills and the invisibility spell. Or if the assassin openly approaches an armed and armored target from the front and won't be able to get into hugging range. Summon a sword mid step, cut through the target and teleport away.
If they're at all intelligent they can probably realize that such an attempt would be tracked back to them, successful or not, and then they have at least two extremely angry Dwarf holds to deal with, just for a start.
@Boney What, if anything, is the weregild for a deliberate assassination of a Dwarf in good standing with the Karaz Ankor on behalf of a government entity? Or is this one of the things that mean war no matter what?
 
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