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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Does taking an apprentice eat into our AP budget? I thought she would just be accompanying us when we do Grey Wizard things and learn from our example.
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A half-AP just like a subordinate IIRC.
Let me search if Boney ever said anything on it.

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found something, but it's rather old.
Boney said:
Costs one action, but you get two choices per turn of what you'd teach them or get them to do.

If your only reason why not is AP economy, I've got an eye towards loosening that a little and opportunities to increase in efficiency are likely to be on the horizon.
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Does taking an apprentice eat into our AP budget? I thought she would just be accompanying us when we do Grey Wizard things and learn from our example.
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Thread doesn't really know, because Boney doesn't really know. Last update was a planned system where an Apprentice could be tagged onto actions and would give a bonus or malus to them depending on how useful the Apprentice was.
 
There's a minimum of three turns at least until Eike finishes her Junior Apprenticeship at the earliest, so Boney doesn't need to have a set in stone system in place. However, this is the last he said in regards to the topic:
Boney said:
That was from a while ago. My current thought is that as well as being able to take actions solely to educate the apprentice, certain actions would be nominated as 'Apprentice actions', which would receive either a malus or bonus based on a diceroll to determine whether the Apprentice proved a help or hindrance in that particular circumstance. But that's not set in stone at this point.
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Interestingly if we take her soon her early apprenticeship will happen in Lorelorn among Eonir with K8P being the secondary location. I don't know if that is good or bad but it is interesting.

We will probably have to make a point for her to spend time in the Empire, with the EIC probably, just so she doesn't feel the same disassociation the Mathilde and the Thread does.
 
Codex said:
I remember when the thread was vehemently against the idea of an Apprentice. How things have changed that a good portion of the thread now treats Eike being Mathilde's apprentice as essentially a foregone conclusion. I guess the missing factor was being invested in the prospective apprentice before they're presented as an option.
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I think it has a lot to do with the thread being a living thing and users becoming less active when the tread engages in something they are not that interested.
 
Also I am interested in Pans work. With it, it might be possible to claim and keep places like Badlands or parts of Darklands. Eventually. At some point.
 
Kornet said:
I think it has a lot to do with the thread being a living thing and users becoming less active when the tread engages in something they are not that interested.
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I'm talking about how many people voted to put her in the Grey College. Chances are most of them did it so that she can be Mathilde's apprentice. I don't know if you seriously believe the majority of the thread doesn't want Eike as an apprentice.

Anyways, it doesn't matter, because we never had a vote to get an apprentice. I was comparing a vocal minority to a vocal minority. Your statement that the thread doesn't engage in things they're not interested in doesn't track with what I'm saying. I remember people jumping in to vehemently say they do not want Apprentices and dozens of people liking those posts. Those posts no longer pop up or get a fraction of the likes they used to when it comes to Eike. I'm comparing two similar scenarios, not a vote to discussion.
 
In the abstract sense of "generic apprentice", I'd personally not really be for it - Mathilde's already got a lot on her plate and it's not obvious to me that the Waystone Project is a great place for a Grey Apprentice to cut their teeth.

But with the situation with Eike being what it is, my hand has been forced - Mathilde has an obligation to do right by her friend, even if it's inconvenient, and that means personal tutoring.

Which, stepping back a bit from Mathilde's POV and examining DL as a narrative, suits the story just fine - an extra division on our loyalties and a whole new field of teaching for Mathilde to bumble her way into seem like they'll be fine additions to the story.
 
I remember consensus being that no one wanted to SEARCH for an apprentice, since that meant adding another new character to our already strained social calendar and most people wanted to spend those actions on characters they grew attached to, even aside from the main turn action economy.
Eike came with previous attachment and compelling narrative reasons why Mathilde would put her valuable time into teaching her.
 
Codex said:
I'm talking about how many people voted to put her in the Grey College. Chances are most of them did it so that she can be Mathilde's apprentice. I don't know if you seriously believe the majority of the thread doesn't want Eike as an apprentice.

Anyways, it doesn't matter, because we never had a vote to get an apprentice. I was comparing a vocal minority to a vocal minority. Your statement that the thread doesn't engage in things they're not interested in doesn't track with what I'm saying. I remember people jumping in to vehemently say they do not want Apprentices and dozens of people liking those posts. Those posts no longer pop up or get a fraction of the likes they used to when it comes to Eike. I'm comparing two similar scenarios, not a vote to discussion.
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I think there are two parts to that, firstly apprentice ship is not really a big topic right now, it's not getting brought up by boney and discussions are very limited, so most people aren't thinking about it.
Secondly about having Eike go to the Grey College. This is only my theory but I think that has more to do with what we know and have access to. Putting Eike anywhere else would mean we lose access to Eike and most quests are violently opossed from cutting of options.
I'm not saying there isn't a good sized amount of people that want Eike as an apprentice, im just saying not everything is done with that in mind.
 
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Well, there's at least one narrative reason for Mathilde to take an apprentice, Eike or someone else: The colleges kinda require it.

Like, I don't know when, but at some point Algard would have to start nudging Mathilde to take an apprentice so that her knowledge and skills can be passed down to a new generation. He'd probably be polite about it, because a) Mathlide is a busy person, and b) she's earned a lot of goodwill from the colleges, but soon or later she would be expected to teach.

Besides, I trust Boney to do it justice. I mean, I really, really, really didn't want to do the waystone arc at all (and then, when it was chosen, I wanted it to be based in Kislev). But I'm not mad that I lost those votes, because Boney took something I had very little interest in and made it interesting, and I'm actually enjoying the waystone arc because of his skill as a writer.

When it comes to having an apprentice, I trust Boney to also make that interesting, and it'll be a shift and a change in the story.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Well, there's at least one narrative reason for Mathilde to take an apprentice, Eike or someone else: The colleges kinda require it.

Like, I don't know when, but at some point Algard would have to start nudging Mathilde to take an apprentice so that her knowledge and skills can be passed down to a new generation. He'd probably be polite about it, because a) Mathlide is a busy person, and b) she's earned a lot of goodwill from the colleges, but soon or later she would be expected to teach.
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They're likely to encourage it, but they're not going to mandate it if Mathilde is completely against the idea. She is the best authority on how Mathilde should best spend her time to serve the Empire, and the Orders as a whole think that giving ultimate cosmic power to people and then making them do things they don't want to do is a bad strategy.
 
Honestly, regardless of how good an idea it is to teach Eike among elf's, it's still way better then Taking her on when we where still working with the dwarfs.

The dwarfs would have expectations that an apprentice will Match or suppress the masters skills and deeds at some point, and are an utter failure if they don't. Regardless of how good they end up in a vacuum.

That sounds like Eikes worst nightmare come true.
 
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On equipment legacy, I think the items probably would likely wind up in the hands of separate people. Mathilde covers a lot of stuff, one individual inheriting her full kit would be extremely unlikely.

Liber Mortis - Someone of character beyond reproach and optionally, the intellect to pry out more of those Dhar insights. Or we can have the dwarves lock it away, but thats as good as forever gone.

Sword & Belt - Trustworthy and exceptional combatant, trained to wield the right weapon. Theoretically an apprentice, that learns on the stabby track.

Coin - Divine relic, I assume Ranald would take care of it.

Mirrorcatch Box - This is PROBABLY well rescinded to the Grey College with the information of which Runelord knows what its juice does and is willing to buy. Good for encouraging further Runelord-College cooperation.
Tobtorp said:
OK, so the formula for a good work/life balance and a nice employer is ultimate cosmic power, got it.
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Its fine because such people are also frequent overachievers.
 
veekie said:
On equipment legacy, I think the items probably would likely wind up in the hands of separate people. Mathilde covers a lot of stuff, one individual inheriting her full kit would be extremely unlikely.

Liber Mortis - Someone of character beyond reproach and optionally, the intellect to pry out more of those Dhar insights. Or we can have the dwarves lock it away, but thats as good as forever gone.

Sword & Belt - Trustworthy and exceptional combatant, trained to wield the right weapon. Theoretically an apprentice, that learns on the stabby track.

Coin - Divine relic, I assume Ranald would take care of it.

Mirrorcatch Box - This is PROBABLY well rescinded to the Grey College with the information of which Runelord knows what its juice does and is willing to buy. Good for encouraging further Runelord-College cooperation.

Its fine because such people are also frequent overachievers.
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Narratively, I want to ask Bro-king in the will to bring it in secret to Altdorf next time he goes there, go to the most packed part of the market, on the most active part of the day.

And then Chuck it as far as he can.

It will go to where it needs too.
 
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