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Kislev's military doctrine is based around dealing with two scenarios: one, that some sort of raider band or nasty gribbly has crossed the border and needs to be exterminated quickly before it wipes out a few villages, or two, that a powerful Chaos Lord or Higher Daemon or Everchosen has arisen and every fucker in the arctic circle is pouring into Kislev. In scenario one, the Gospodar Winged Lancers and Ungol Horse Archers are an incredibly potent counter to just about anything, because there's very few forces on the planet that are both fast enough to catch up to a Horse Archer and tough enough to withstand a Winged Lancer charge. In scenario two, it comes down to a siege that will stretch on for months at one of four heavily fortified locations that are linked by the only well-built and maintained roads which gives plenty of time for all of the infantry forces in Kislev to be delivered to the battlefield. In the current era Kislev's only professional infantry are the Kreml Guard and the Streltsi of Erengrad, but it's literally a crime for any adult male citizen of Kislev to not own, maintain, and practice with at least one weapon, so Kislev's unmounted militia is not to be written off. In scenario one, the Ice Witches aren't needed. In scenario two, they can easily get to where they're needed, either on a sensible pace on horseback or in a carriage or cart or sleigh or even just by walking.

This is not a typical scenario Kislev faces, but at the end of the day it really isn't a big deal on a national scale. Kislev could afford to leave the issue to the Boyar. If it came down to it, Kislev could afford to just picket the forest and wait for the interlopers to either emerge and have a fight on Kislev's terms, or to get bored and leave. Worst case scenario, they have to refound the Shirokij villages afterwards and firewood and venison is slightly dearer in Kislev City for a year or two. The reason that isn't happening, and the reason that there's such a scramble to get forces in place, is because the current Tzar treats battles as his favourite hobby. He isn't riding at all speed down here because this is some big emergency, he's coming here because otherwise he might miss the fun.
 
Didn't the Bright Order pump out a bunch of Doomfire rings like the one Mathilde recovered and returned to them? So "make high number of [x]" is hardly something unknown to the Collegs.
Teclis's students in the Bright Order made a decent number.

Which is a very different thing from making more now.
Forged by the first of the Bright Wizards under Teclis for use in the Great War Against Chaos, capable of emitting great fireballs in the hands of the untrained and doing even more in the capable hands of a Bright Wizard; this is a Doomfire Ring.
Those that made the Doomfire Rings were tutored by Teclis himself. You don't even know enough yet about enchanting to reasonably guess whether it would be possible.
They wouldn't have cared about getting it back so much if they were easy to pump out.
"I have that honour." He holds out his hand expectantly, and you produce the iron ring from a pocket and place it there. He examines it closely, and a smile stretches across his features. "Wonderful," he says. "So many of these have been lost over the years, but some still find their way back. Where was it?"

You'd prepared a half-truth. "In the freshly-excavated ruins of a manor in Stirland, still worn by its former owner."

"You buried them appropriately?" You nod. "Good. Almost certainly it was not one of ours, but still." He inspects the ring again, this time in admiration. "The puissance of these artifacts is, perhaps, less than one might expect from something crafted by those under Teclis," he observes, the rubies shimmering in the firelight. "But they were never meant to turn the tide of wars single-handedly. What they represent is protection for our most vulnerable members as they venture out into the world, and handed down to another as each reaches Magisterial rank. If it means that just one more wizard reaches the prime of their career instead of dying to the trials of their journeying... well, what more potent effect could you ask of an enchantment?" You nod in agreement. "You've returned a prized relic to us, and the Bright Order repays its debts."
 
the current Tzar treats battles as his favourite hobby. He isn't riding at all speed down here because this is some big emergency, he's coming here because otherwise he might miss the fun.

Ah, that actual answers the question of how serious this actually is. Or at least how it's being perceived by Kisliv. A threat all the same, but one that poeple aren't really worried about. Considering the kind of things that normally come around to fight Kisliv, this is like an exotic dish for dinner.
 
Which was why it was baffling why one of the rarest books in the world would be in the same spot as two of the most mundane novels she could think of.
Just a nitpick, but the word 'novel' in a literary context generally refers to fictional narratives, so a census and academic writings don't quite fit unless Eike is the type of person to view those publications in that light. Some alternative word choices might be 'works', 'tomes', or 'papers'.
 
Just a nitpick, but the word 'novel' in a literary context generally refers to fictional narratives, so a census and academic writings don't quite fit unless Eike is the type of person to view those publications in that light. Some alternative word choices might be 'works', 'tomes', or 'papers'.

A distinction I completely overlooked. Thank you for pointing that out.
 
an exotic dish that might make firewood and venison more expensive. So there is still a very good reason to clear it out, because Kislev really needs all the firewood and food it can get.
More expensive but not rare or problematic. As said Kislev could just quarantine the area and not care, but the tsar wants to have fun. And losing too many men would probably be worse.
 
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The reason that isn't happening, and the reason that there's such a scramble to get forces in place, is because the current Tzar treats battles as his favourite hobby. He isn't riding at all speed down here because this is some big emergency, he's coming here because otherwise he might miss the fun.
...well, as long as he's good at it...
 
Kislev's military doctrine is based around dealing with two scenarios: one, that some sort of raider band or nasty gribbly has crossed the border and needs to be exterminated quickly before it wipes out a few villages, or two, that a powerful Chaos Lord or Higher Daemon or Everchosen has arisen and every fucker in the arctic circle is pouring into Kislev. In scenario one, the Gospodar Winged Lancers and Ungol Horse Archers are an incredibly potent counter to just about anything, because there's very few forces on the planet that are both fast enough to catch up to a Horse Archer and tough enough to withstand a Winged Lancer charge. In scenario two, it comes down to a siege that will stretch on for months at one of four heavily fortified locations that are linked by the only well-built and maintained roads which gives plenty of time for all of the infantry forces in Kislev to be delivered to the battlefield. In the current era Kislev's only professional infantry are the Kreml Guard and the Streltsi of Erengrad, but it's literally a crime for any adult male citizen of Kislev to not own, maintain, and practice with at least one weapon, so Kislev's unmounted militia is not to be written off. In scenario one, the Ice Witches aren't needed. In scenario two, they can easily get to where they're needed, either on a sensible pace on horseback or in a carriage or cart or sleigh or even just by walking.

This is not a typical scenario Kislev faces, but at the end of the day it really isn't a big deal on a national scale. Kislev could afford to leave the issue to the Boyar. If it came down to it, Kislev could afford to just picket the forest and wait for the interlopers to either emerge and have a fight on Kislev's terms, or to get bored and leave. Worst case scenario, they have to refound the Shirokij villages afterwards and firewood and venison is slightly dearer in Kislev City for a year or two. The reason that isn't happening, and the reason that there's such a scramble to get forces in place, is because the current Tzar treats battles as his favourite hobby. He isn't riding at all speed down here because this is some big emergency, he's coming here because otherwise he might miss the fun.
where do the bear artillery come in boney?
 
In theory, this wouldn't be the worst set up if he had somebody effective at that that he could delegate too.

I suppose that's Boris, but it also seems like Vlad the Dad isn't giving him much leash on that?

Kislev doesn't really have much of a framework for that. Where the Empire has intersecting networks of feudalist power structures and bureaucratic systems, Kislev still has at most a village chief being subordinate to a Boyar being subordinate to the Tzar, and there's plenty of villages that don't have a Boyar in the middle.

where do the bear artillery come in boney?

They're a product of an older Tzar Boris leading a resurgence of the Cult of Ursus by becoming their High Priest. Currently the Cult of Ursus is very much in decline, and is less popular in Kislev than the Cult of Ulric.
 
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They're a product of an older Tzar Boris leading a resurgence of the Cult of Ursus by becoming their High Priest. Currently the Cult of Ursus is very much in decline, and is less popular in Kislev than the Cult of Ulric.
Should we be worried about that changing?

I mean whatever else the Cult of Ulric is one of the two big faiths of the Empire and the one we don't have a problem with. Will it upset the Al-Ulfric? Does he even have that much control over the worshipers in another country when he doesn't in Nordland? How does the cult of Ulfric deal with the followers outside the border of the Empire where they are a formalized part of the ruling structure?
 
Should we be worried about that changing?

I mean whatever else the Cult of Ulric is one of the two big faiths of the Empire and the one we don't have a problem with. Will it upset the Al-Ulfric? Does he even have that much control over the worshipers in another country when he doesn't in Nordland? How does the cult of Ulfric deal with the followers outside the border of the Empire where they are a formalized part of the ruling structure?

The two are in conflict but there's rarely any real malice in it. Both of them have it baked into their religious doctrine that the stronger of the two should eclipse the other, and that striving to outdo each other will result in both of them being stronger than if one had been able to dominate without effort. The rivalry between them is basically that gif of two extremely large men flexing at each other wordlessly.

(there is an uglier Teutogen ethnoreligious supremacist side to the Cult of Ulric in Middenland, but that doesn't really come into play in Kislev since their outward policy is largely dominated by quarrelling with the Sigmarites and trying to exert control over the Nordland Ulricans)
 
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We don't know this is Drycha in character, first off. Second, Mathilde doesn't know Drycha's motivations and inner working the way someone who has read the books does.

So again, this feels like breaking the established character due to OOC information.

Mathilde, as the two posters with the lists above were so kind to show, tries to talk to people.

Are we though? Breaking established character that is? I mean let us look at some of our more out there diplomatic exploits:

Talking to the Kurgans:
  • We did id because we were on their ground and did not want to fight them because in the long run we would lose
  • It was the only way to get supplies after our supply tank went over the edge
  • Trickery and copious bribes were involved, it was thus as much intrigue as diplomacy with a sprinkling of 'large amounts of gold'
Allying with the We
  • The spiders had shown themselves to be non-hostile and were staying put
  • We had every reason to think that even if said spiders wanted to engage in communication they could not as they did not share a language
  • While the dwarfs could have killed the spiders it would not have come without losses
Talked to the Not-Really-Lahmian
  • She was in a social setting, which means both we and her could not really attack magically or physically, there was nothing to lose in talking to her and we could always kill her later

Talked to the Dragon
  • Said dragon was just finishing off wiping out of the major skaven factions
  • It had never harmed any of our allies that we knew about
Talked to the Norscans instead of fighting them
  • Like with the Kurgan it was their home ground and we did not know what they might pull, there was no reason to fight them and they had done our allies no harm that we could see
  • If negotiations failed we could always just attack and were fully planning to do so if it looked like our champion was losing, that was hardly good faith negotiation, it was simply expedient
Went to the Chaos Dwarfs to buy supplies
  • Take the concerns about Norscans and Kurgans home ground and then multiply them by one thousand, what were we going to do siege the place on our own?
  • Again we needed supplies for the expeditions (and we like shiny things)
Tricked Querch into giving us the Skaven language
  • This was not negotiation, it was manipulation, the fact that Mathilde ended up sort of liking him back is entirely immaterial to why we did this. If one is going to take this as a mark of our diplomatic tendencies, then one might as well argue that Chaos Cultists and Lahmians brainwashing people with magic is proof of their deep seated desire to get along with others
Now let's look at what we have to deal with here
  • The fey host is trespassing on allied land
  • They have shown a willingness and ability to murder civilians for tactical benefit
  • Mathilde believes they would have murdered civilians for fun passing through, just not this thoroughly
The only argument we might have for a negotiated settlement here is to keep from killing more kislevites, but we have already seen that they are broadly very invested in the protection of their land and Tzar Fights-a-Lot is on his way. At this point even if the fey were willing to say 'oops sorry for killing your people' it is very unlikely the Kislevites would take the deal.
 
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or two, that a powerful Chaos Lord or Higher Daemon or Everchosen has arisen and every fucker in the arctic circle is pouring into Kislev.
Man this makes me wish we picked Boris so we could have a mini-turn containing exactly this.

This is hell on the brain, what are they and why are they different?

I'm guessing Ulric branch in Sigmar's empire, Wolf God Pope, Ulric branch in Kislev.
 
Man this makes me wish we picked Boris so we could have a mini-turn containing exactly this.




This is hell on the brain, what are they and why are they different?

I'm guessing Ulric branch in Sigmar's empire, Wolf God Pope, Ulric branch in Kislev.
Ulfric is just a mispelling of Ulric. Don't stress over it. Ulric's Ulric. Ar-Ulric is the High Priest of the Ulrican church.
 
tough enough to withstand a Winged Lancer charge
Is the Winged Hussar phenomenon Mathilde observed the sort of thing that makes Ghal Maraz and Runefangs that much more potent than "just" being forged by really powerful dwarf(god)s would justify? Except obviously lesser on scale due to it not being quite that old.
 
In scenario one, the Ice Witches aren't needed. In scenario two, they can easily get to where they're needed, either on a sensible pace on horseback or in a carriage or cart or sleigh or even just by walking.

Boris's daughter Katarin will integrate the Ice Witches much more tightly with the pulks, often to the point of them becoming captains in their own right, but that's decades off yet.
 
Actually on the note about Kislev cities, @Boney I take it that during the Winter months it is not uncommon for various nomadic groups to settle in for the winter around the various major settlements.

Like I can imagine that when Winter rolls around many of the nomads congregate around the major cities where they offload the furs and other trade goods they've collected onto the city population in exchange for various luxuries that can make the Winter more bearable.
 
Boris's daughter Katarin will integrate the Ice Witches much more tightly with the pulks, often to the point of them becoming captains in their own right, but that's decades off yet.
She's not even born yet, so it might never happen depending on the story's development.

New Warhammer lore has changed Katarin's age, making her older when taking the throne, but this is incredibly new information that Boney most likely won't be integrating. My theory over why they aged Katarin up is that Total Warhammer 3 introduces a love interest for Katarin, and they were apparently childhood friends. I suppose they didn't want things to be too awkward with the barely out of teenage years Katarin.
 
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