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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Codex said:
She's not even born yet, so it might never happen depending on the story's development.

New Warhammer lore has changed Katarin's age, making her older when taking the throne, but this is incredibly new information that Boney most likely won't be integrating. My theory over why they aged Katarin up is that Total Warhammer 3 introduces a love interest for Katarin, and they were apparently childhood friends. I suppose they didn't want things to be too awkward with the barely out of teenage years Katarin.
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… total wars game style isn't the best for a romance, so I hope not…
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
… total wars game style isn't the best for a romance, so I hope not…
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It's implied heavily in the Prologue section, and then all but confirmed in the "Son of Kislev" short novel available through Total War Access. You can see the parts from the novel in this reddit thread.

Total Warhammer 3's prologue is a narrative campaign absolutely full of atmosphere, characterisation and story while teaching you the game. It's been universally praised by everyone who's played it (who cares for the story). So much so that it lead to everyone trashing the actual story of the campaign because it doesn't compare to the prologue.

And since this is literally something that happens in the prologue of the game, why not just say it. It's a spoiler, but it's something that will become widespread in a few days anyway.
Yuri, the guy Katarin used to have a relationship with (before her ascendance to the throne), is the Daemon Prince you play as in the game.
 
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Codex said:
Total Warhammer 3's prologue is a narrative campaign absolutely full of atmosphere, characterisation and story while teaching you the game. It's been universally praised by everyone who's played it (who cares for the story). So much so that it lead to everyone trashing the actual story of the campaign because it doesn't compare to the prologue.
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Even people who don't give a shit actually.

Pretty much everyone agrees its sort of incredible.
 
the one thing I didn't like about it was that your split choices never really mattered in the long run, I watched a guy try to pick every possible 'good' choice he could find just to see if there was a secret ending.

but no matter what you do, Yuri kills his brother to cross the bridge.


honestly, while I love that Boris is in the game, 'Prince Yuri of the Ungrol', that you get for doing a 'good run' of the prequel and whose campaign is something like 'enpowering Ursan' or 'killing Bel'agar instead because he did save him. would have been a way more impactful secret lord.
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
the one thing I didn't like about it was that your split choices never really mattered in the long run, I watched a guy try to pick every possible 'good' choice he could find just to see if there was a secret ending.

but no matter what you do, Yuri kills his brother to cross the bridge.


honestly, while I love that Boris is in the game, 'Prince Yuri of the Ungrol', that you get for doing a 'good run' of the prequel and whose campaign is something like 'enpowering Ursan' or 'killing Bel'agar instead because he did save him. would have been a way more impactful secret lord.
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Its literally prequel. It cannot end up any different.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
ya, but if they give you the option to pick choices, then they should let it be possible to stay good.

like, it can totally be none canon ending that doesn't leave the prologue map, but still, if you give the illusion of player choice, dont make all paths lead to the same screen.
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Sometimes its all about not being to really able to affect change. Something something prequel Anakin Vader.
 
Boney said:
Sniping from the sidelines with memes might be fun but it does a disservice to everyone who is trying their best to tackle a pretty challenging topic. I'll ask you to engage in good faith or not at all.
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I shall take your position into consideration.

That said, would this be a bad time to suggest that we buy Adela a scoped dwarven rifle with the latest runes as a recruitment bonus to provide ranged support from the gyrocarriage, for example, cover our retreat when we need to leave in a hurry? That's honestly been on my mind for a while.
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
Citing the Star Wars prequels to defend an narrative choice is a bold move, not one I would pick, but a bold one
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None of the faults of Prequels have anything to do with the fact that Anakin becoming Vader was set in stone from the very beginning.

Much like there was never any way for Fingolfin to not die to Melkor or for Sauron to stay redeemed in Silmarillion, if you want more stellar examples.
 
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Lampshade said:
I shall take your position into consideration.

That said, would this be a bad time to suggest that we buy Adele a scoped dwarven rifle with the latest runes as a recruitment bonus to provide ranged support from the gyrocarriage, for example, cover our retreat when we need to leave in a hurry? That's honestly been on my mind for a while.
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Not sure gyrocarriage would be stable enough platform to fire a gun while in flight (and we would not want the pilot be shooting a rifle instead of flying anyway), and i doubt the range would be all that useful when landed (and we still would not want the pilot focusing on non piloting things if we are leaving in a hurry).
I'm not opposed to giving Adele a rifle as a hiring bonus. Just not sure it would be as practical for the purpose described.
 
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Is Adele even much for guns? Pretty sure the only thing we've seen her use are the contraptions her and Gotri came up with.
 
pucflek said:
Is the Winged Hussar phenomenon Mathilde observed the sort of thing that makes Ghal Maraz and Runefangs that much more potent than "just" being forged by really powerful dwarf(god)s would justify? Except obviously lesser on scale due to it not being quite that old.
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That sort of thing is hard to quantify, because Ghal Maraz was made by at least one literal incarnate God and Alaric spent a century on the Runefangs and didn't exactly leave a spec sheet for them. How do you even begin creating a baseline for an expected level of power for artefacts like those?

Sinsystems said:
Actually on the note about Kislev cities, @Boney I take it that during the Winter months it is not uncommon for various nomadic groups to settle in for the winter around the various major settlements.

Like I can imagine that when Winter rolls around many of the nomads congregate around the major cities where they offload the furs and other trade goods they've collected onto the city population in exchange for various luxuries that can make the Winter more bearable.
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A few would in the harsher winters, but most krugs in Kislev are primarily herders, and feeding their herds on city-bought hay would be ruinous. They'd have winter pastures that they would have been using and protecting for generations.

Lampshade said:
That said, would this be a bad time to suggest that we buy Adele a scoped dwarven rifle with the latest runes as a recruitment bonus to provide ranged support from the gyrocarriage, for example, cover our retreat when we need to leave in a hurry? That's honestly been on my mind for a while.
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In that sort of scenario it seems to me that she'd be too busy flying the gyrocarriage to aim, and besides that, she has spells and devices of her own to fight with. Last time Mathilde went into battle with her she was prototyping a steam-powered grenade launcher.
 
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Valmond said:
Just not sure it would be as practical for the purpose described.
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Mathilde herself would probably just ride in and teleport the rest of the distance, but if she's in a group or outright escorting someone else, Adela could take out any pursuers while getting ready to take off.
Valmond said:
You really want to start arguing with the QM?
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I was hoping it would be received as a humorous way to say that I agree.
 
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Boney said:
That sort of thing is hard to quantify, because Ghal Maraz was made by a literal incarnate God and Alaric spent a century on the Runefangs and didn't exactly leave a spec sheet for them. How do you even begin creating a baseline for an expected level of power for artefacts like those?
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Wasn't it two gods that made Ghal Maraz? From what I'd heard, the hammer was a collaborative effort between Smednir and Thungni.
 
Lampshade said:
Mathilde herself would probably just ride in and teleport the rest of the distance, but if she's in a group or outright escorting someone else, Adela could take out any pursuers while getting ready to take off.
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As i said, if the carrier is on the ground, i doubt sniper rifle would have the range one would hope for unless we have landed right in the middle of an open field, in which case, why not land somewhere closer to avoid having to run such large open areas?

Revolver might be more useful, and easier to carry or use while in flight.
 
Boney said:
Some sources credit both, some just Smednir.
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Some sources erase the existence of Smednir/Thungni/Morgrim, some treat Morgrim as the God of Runesmithing, some say Grungni made everything and taught metalsmithing to the Dwarves. Consistency is very low when it comes to lore regarding the Dwarf pantheon.
 
Imagine the balls on the mortal runesmith (Skalf Blackhammer) that looked at an Ancestor God's work and decided they could make it better, if that version of the story is accurate.

I imagine that we're not going with the version of the story that the true Ghal Maraz was lost from Sigmar's death until some adventurers defeated an Exalted Lord of Change and recovered the original in 2512 IC, and for the nearly half two and a half thousand years before they returned it to Karl Franz Emperors were using a replica made by the dwarves and blessed by generations of priests of Sigmar.
 
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Boney said:
In that sort of scenario it seems to me that she'd be too busy flying the gyrocarriage to aim, and besides that, she has spells and devices of her own to fight with.
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Valmond said:
As i said, if the carrier is on the ground, i doubt sniper rifle would have the range one would hope for unless we have landed right in the middle of an open field, in which case, why not land somewhere closer to avoid having to run such large open areas?

Revolver might be more useful, and easier to carry or use while in flight.
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There's also the part where most of Mathilde's best kills were from stealth IIRC, so long range would be useful to provide support without exposing herself, but it's true that Adela would know best how to modify her arsenal to fit the new role. Maybe a small amount of college / dwarf favour to spend as she likes, then?
 
Lampshade said:
There's also the part where most of Mathilde's best kills were from stealth IIRC, so long range would be useful to provide support without exposing herself, but it's true that Adela would know best how to modify her arsenal to fit the new role. Maybe a small amount of college / dwarf favour to spend as she likes, then?
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She is already working with Gotri and is a very good engineer in her own right. If she wants some kind of gun she definitely does not need Mathilde's help with that.
 
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