Giving gifts to an autonomous and very influential institution is not 'being involved in the modernization of the military' IMO, it's just giving them very useful gifts which they can use as they please.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Giving gifts to an autonomous and very influential institution is not 'being involved in the modernization of the military' IMO, it's just giving them very useful gifts which they can use as they please.
You specifically opened the discussion by comparing their mobility to the rest of Kislev's army, you can't have it both ways.
You specifically opened the discussion by comparing their mobility to the rest of Kislev's army, you can't have it both ways.
Just because they are military assets does not mean they are part of a centralized military of the nation. If the dwarfs for some reason want to give rune weapons to the Cult of Sigmar they do not have to ask the Emperor about modernizing his military just because Warrior Priests of Sigmar are attached to imperial armies.
Because that would help them bash faces harder, but that's what they already do. You're talking about a systemic change in how they operate that allows them to function in ways they otherwise couldn't. That's not something you do for foreign military assets without approval from above.
We can always ask them if they would like some shadow horses, it is not like we have to show up and yell Surprise!
You are trying to redefine the early modern Kislevite state into something it is not. I'm not buying it. The Tzar does not have the authority to tell the Witches how they operate.
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K von Carstein
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Maybe we should ask our superior? But tbh, as long as we don't have to use AP I don't really care.
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I very much doubt that Ice witches would care about the opinion of Tzar.
Let me ask you: Why do you think it could be relevant?
Whatever reason Athel Loren has for invading Kislev does not change the fact that a battle is about to happen, and it won't affect how the Kislevian army engages in that battle. Kislev is out for vengence, and the Tsar is out for blood.
If he's a vampire or a chaos worshipper, we kill him and nothing changes. If he destroyed a sacred grove, well, he's the local nobleman in charge of an area with a timber based economy; he was merely doing what he is expected to do. Slap him on the wrist, tell him to be more careful, and the battle again happens as planed. What if he doesn't even know why?
Like, I can not think of a single thing he could have done to prompt this that will also change how we choose to go to battle in the coming update. This information has zero impact on a tactical or strategic scale, but scouting or bringing in reinforcements does.
This isn't even like the leyline action we took last turn, because that at least eliminated the possibility that the elves were doing something weird with the waystone, meaning we no longer have to plan for and prepare against an apocalyptic ritual.
Now after the battle? Yeah, sure, that information is important. We need to know why they came so we can prevent it in the future, and if the Boyar is corrupt he needs to be removed from power. But that's not essential right now. He's not even going to be present at the battle.
So now you've heard my side, please explain to me why you think interrogating him before the battle is important. What possible information will he have that will be essential for the fight to come? What can he possibly tell us that's more important that 10,000 imperial soldiers or half a dozen battle wizards? Time is a limited resource, and we can't afford to spend it on uncertainties. We have to act, not satisfy curiosity.
Sure, that is a valid point. I do not see why Algard would object, but by the same token I see how it might be the courteous thing to do. Granted that would be the case with any favor we did for the witches... which we are planing to do to get them on side for the project.
Again I do not expect this to get us favor with Kislev, the GM has made his feelings clear on what when we came up with the Rooms of Calamity, but by the same token the Rooms of calamity are undeniably useful even without having produced favor for us, so why not do it again instead of sitting on the resource which we have nothing to spend on otherwise?
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Algard almost certainly won't care, Dragomas definitely won't care, the Emperor will give his wife a confused look and get a "let her have her fun" as a response, and the elf queen will be baffled over why we are wasting her time.
I'm not saying we should make some shadowsteeds, i'm also not saying we should not.
I am saying that any of our theoretical and/or practical superriors won't really care if we give some enchanted items to ice witches who are literally acting as a bulwark between the Empire an Chaos Wastesas long as are doing it on our own time and with our own resources.
If we try to recruit some Ice Witch ley witches, and the problem that would cause is the remainder being spread too thin to cover the leyline nexuses in Kislev, offering some shadow mount magic items to improve their ability to travel between them and keep an eye on them could convince them to get on board.
The problem every group we approach has is that the spellcasters powerful and knowledgable enough to be useful to the Waystone Project are already doing something very important, and are very hard to backfill. Offering shadow mount items would help overcome that for some of them. Not all, as the likes of the Damsels have fast strategic travel using the fey paths, but it should apply to the Ice and possibly the Hag witches.
The problem every group we approach has is that the spellcasters powerful and knowledgable enough to be useful to the Waystone Project are already doing something very important, and are very hard to backfill. Offering shadow mount items would help overcome that for some of them. Not all, as the likes of the Damsels have fast strategic travel using the fey paths, but it should apply to the Ice and possibly the Hag witches.
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If recruiting an Ice Witch will result in them being spread to thin, then either we won't be able to recruit them or else the favour we give in return will compensate for the spreading.
That said I don't think the Ice Witches will be spread too thin, because it was feasible to use them as the basis (as opposed to an addition) for the waystone project.
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[X] Bring in Ice Witches
[X] Find the Boyar
On thinking about it, I'm changing my vote to Boyar.
There is enough forces in Kislev to deal with this problem .(let's remember that this is a regional issue, not Kislev itself is in danger problem.) and the Boyar, if he isn't the problem. is bring his own forces.
Ostermark Brings a lot to the table, don't get me wrong, practically an instant win button as long as we don't flub the dip roll or Ostermark doesn't have some odd agenda that we don't know about.
But it's not needed to win the fight, but looking into the Boyar might be needed to 'win' the 'war' if there is some angle or trick that might be missed just by kicking the trees in The shins.
[X] Find the Boyar
On thinking about it, I'm changing my vote to Boyar.
There is enough forces in Kislev to deal with this problem .(let's remember that this is a regional issue, not Kislev itself is in danger problem.) and the Boyar, if he isn't the problem. is bring his own forces.
Ostermark Brings a lot to the table, don't get me wrong, practically an instant win button as long as we don't flub the dip roll or Ostermark doesn't have some odd agenda that we don't know about.
But it's not needed to win the fight, but looking into the Boyar might be needed to 'win' the 'war' if there is some angle or trick that might be missed just by kicking the trees in The shins.
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I think that by definition all magic users everywhere beside the Wastes are spread too thin. So long as on asking the local rulers 'would you like more of them' the answer is 'yes' then they could use more mobility.
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I think that this idea is something I'd want to tuck away for potential negotiations for Ice Witch assistance, depending on [waves hands vaguely] on stuff like how cagey/uncomfortable the Colleges are with enchanted items being released to magic users outside the empire.
If it's not a huge problem, then I'm 100% for it.
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[X] Bring in Ice Witches
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Babushka Bear Calvary
"And you thought you were fucked when you saw the regular bear calvary."
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You know who really loves being told "you're doing it wrong"? Grandmas.
It worked for Telic.
…. Being an elf probably help in that people assumed that he would be an Ass about it, so could just shrug it off.
… and being Telic, definitely helped.
That's not even a east euro/Russia thing.
Nanny say sky is going to rain whole family goes out and buys umbrellas in Summer
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I read this - and before I parsed it as qm saying why the idea is a bad one, I was thinking "well, how can we frame offering some as trade in return for Waystone Project assistance (if we need more to sweeten the pot)?"
Then I read this post:
There is no framing of making that sort offer in heaven or earth to a babushka that she not strip down to the actual meaning, and then the implicit insult laid bear.
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:'(
curses.
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