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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Codex said:
I'm talking about the last three letters of his first name, not his last name. If you're British, you might associate it with a different word, but to most of the world it means something different.
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I don't really see what the fuss is about. Yeah, the part of the name of one character (who as far as I know hasn't any subtext about being gay) has the same spelling and pronounciation than a slur. But i doubt it was intentional, and it's not even 2 words put together. If it was Goldfag I could see the offense, but Golgfag doesn't mean anything. It's just a coincidence. Personally, it doesn't offend me at all.
 
Mopman43 said:
Bringing this back up because I've got one bit of data- Creative Assembly has brought up Golgfag twice in the context of his rivalry with Ungrim, once in a forum post in 2015 and once in a blogpost in 2017.

In both posts, they refer to Golgfag as "Golfgang Maneater".


...Putting aside the issues with his current name, I can't say I'm a huge fan of that name if that's what they end up going with- feel like there's going to be a lot of memes based on replacing his assortment of weaponry with golfclubs and putting him in a kilt.
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I would've thought he might be world class musician.

Also i think whatever the opinions here are, the etymology and linguistic implication of slurs are not really something that should be discussed in thread.
 
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K von Carstein said:
Goldfag
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Ah yes, Golfag's absolutely fabulous incredibly camp cousin.
I do kinda understand where you're coming from, but it we were talking about the N word instead, I don't think that it would be an acceptable excuse. In part at least though, because it would be a lot harder to see that as an unintentional inclusion.
My position is that I'm willing to accept it was an innocent mistake, I didn't spot it until it was pointed out, but it cost us nothing to change and improves the experience for others, so it should be changed.
 
K von Carstein said:
I don't really see what the fuss is about. Yeah, the part of the name of one character (who as far as I know hasn't any subtext about being gay) has the same spelling and pronounciation than a slur. But i doubt it was intentional, and it's not even 2 words put together. If it was Goldfag I could see the offense, but Golgfag doesn't mean anything. It's just a coincidence. Personally, it doesn't offend me at all.
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Shit doesn't have to be intentional to be uncomfortable. What, are you the represenatative of every single person who that slur targets? Are you supposed to be in charge of my feelings? It wasn't intentional, but I'd prefer to have his name be easier on the eyes and mouth without me feeling concious about the way it's used.

I might be sounding pretty irritated, and I am. I don't want to derail the thread. I mentioned my feelings about his name. I never even said that it was intentionally homophobic. I said I would prefer not to misread his name as a slur.

Probably the worst response to give someone talking about being uncomfortable is "it doesn't offend me". Bravo. Want me to give you a medal?
 
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K von Carstein said:
I don't really see what the fuss is about. Yeah, the part of the name of one character (who as far as I know hasn't any subtext about being gay) has the same spelling and pronounciation than a slur. But i doubt it was intentional, and it's not even 2 words put together. If it was Goldfag I could see the offense, but Golgfag doesn't mean anything. It's just a coincidence. Personally, it doesn't offend me at all.
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Different people have different levels of comfort. As far as I can tell, nobody thinks it was an intentional attempt to sneak a slur into a character's name like a juvenile attempt to hide bad words in one's schoolwork. But even innocent acts can cause discomfort, and it's reasonable to express the hope that something that you dislike gets changed, not because the original decision was in some way evil, but because the level of distress it causes is disproportionate to the benefits gained by staying consistent.
 
I'm going through the weirdest Mandela Effect right now. For the longest time, I have always used the name "Clan Skyre" to refer to the technosorcerous Skaven clan, and I've never been corrected on it. I heard a Total War Youtuber refer to them consistently as "Skryre" though, and I was sure that was wrong. I checked Total War and saw that they had it listed as Skryre and thought that must have been a mistake, but I see that the wiki for Warhammer Fantasy in general and everyone else has been using Skryre. I checked the quest to see what Boney used and:
Boney said:
That's what the power of the Grey Seers is built upon, and a big part of the power of Skryre, Eshin, Moulder, and Pestilens.
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Boney said:
"Like looting and demolishing a Skryre laboratory under a sleeping dragon."
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Apparently Boney's been consistently using Skryre.

I feel so odd about this. I was so sure their name was Skyre. Hell, Skyre sounds so much better than Skryre when you say it out loud. It's smooth and flows well. Skryre feels like you're speeding over a bump on the road.

Am I the only one who thought Skryre was Skyre?
 
Codex said:
I'm going through the weirdest Mandela Effect right now. For the longest time, I have always used the name "Clan Skyre" to refer to the technosorcerous Skaven clan, and I've never been corrected on it. I heard a Total War Youtuber refer to them consistently as "Skryre" though, and I was sure that was wrong. I checked Total War and saw that they had it listed as Skryre and thought that must have been a mistake, but I see that the wiki for Warhammer Fantasy in general and everyone else has been using Skryre. I checked the quest to see what Boney used and:


Apparently Boney's been consistently using Skryre.

I feel so odd about this. I was so sure their name was Skyre. Hell, Skyre sounds so much better than Skryre when you say it out loud. It's smooth and flows well. Skryre feels like you're speeding over a bump on the road.

Am I the only one who thought Skryre was Skyre?
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A search of the thread for Skyre gives 34 pages of results. Less than the 50 pages you get for Skryre, but not by that much. I always read it as Skyre, myself.
I have had many cases of the Mandela Effect in this quest, maybe because the names are foreign enough that I don't have a good idea of how they 'should' be. Abelhelm/Abelhiem is one that still trips me up.
 
Codex said:
Hell, Skyre sounds so much better than Skryre when you say it out loud. It's smooth and flows well. Skryre feels like you're speeding over a bump on the road.
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Jreengus said:
I'm with you, Skyre sounds better and if you asked me the clan name it's what I would have said.
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Skyre is smoother on the ears and it's for that exact reason that I think Skryre's better. Fits the feel of the skaven better if it's a little scratchy and uncomfortable.

K von Carstein said:
But I've read many of Codex's posts and never realized they wrote Skyre😅
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Codex is a she.
 
Codex said:
Apparently Boney's been consistently using Skryre.
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Nah I'm sure I've read Skyre somewhere, I've never thought it was Skryre.

If you look at searchbar 829 for Skyre With 1240 for Skryre which is 2/3 to 1 on average or a 40-60 split.

I think it's just the fantasy aspect of Warhammer being so deviant while rooted in real languages which makes my lazy brain assume the easiest interpretation.
 
Swantree said:
Isn't that biased against Skyre then since it also includes the many more people who quoted Boney using Skryre?

It should balance out though to the same magnitudes since it's hundreds of posts across thousands of pages across numbers of years.
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Oh, I assumed that since you were talking about Boney's use, you'd already be filtering them for only Boney's posts.

What does the word search prove then except that this error is very common in the thread?
 
Codex said:
I feel so odd about this. I was so sure their name was Skyre. Hell, Skyre sounds so much better than Skryre when you say it out loud. It's smooth and flows well. Skryre feels like you're speeding over a bump on the road.
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Thats kinda why its good. The first 'r' provides harshness and ominous undertones. Skyre is just a word, it sounds kinda meh, there is nothing stereotypically ratty about it. I can't imagine it sounding evil.

In my head it also sorta doubled as something of a wordplay on Scry, which is
1) very sorcerous word
2) is often used in meaning as seeing to the future
which is very thematic for that clan in both ways, as amalgam of wizardry and science :V

EDIT: actually, thinking about it, that might very well be the skaven etymology of that clan name

I WILL SCRY-SCRY THE FUTURE. Now repeat Scry-Scry really fast for really long. Bit of a long shot but eh.:V
 
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Dark as Silver said:
Oh, I assumed that since you were talking about Boney's use, you'd already be filtering them for only Boney's posts.

What does the word search prove then except that this error is very common in the thread?
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It's perfectly reasonable to live your life think it really is Clan Skyre.

They're practically and descriptively interchangeable.

Boney and other people has quoted posts spelling it Skyre without correcting it, the opposite is true where the rest read Skryre as Skyre without acknowledgement.

Codex mentioned the Mandela effect, mentioned the quest-literature(?) (The words in the threadmarks written by the QM) have always been using Skryre.

Finally, she asked if she was the only one who thought this.

I went to search bar, I thought given the numbers that it's a pretty common misunderstanding.

I don't know what exactly you meant, please clarify.

Dark as Silver said:
Ah, but that also includes times that Boney has quoted someone who used that specific spelling.
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What exactly did you mean by this? Did you just mean my numbers weren't accurate since they didn't account for Boney quoting misspellings?

Dark as Silver said:
What does the word search prove then except that this error is very common in the thread?
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This too, what did you think I meant? (No way to read that without it sounding sarcastic) Did you only read my part of the discussion? (This too damn it)
 
Swantree said:
It's perfectly reasonable to live your life think it really is Clan Skyre.

They're practically and descriptively interchangeable.

Boney and other people has quoted posts spelling it Skyre without correcting it, the opposite is true where the rest read Skryre as Skyre without acknowledgement.

Codex mentioned the Mandela effect, mentioned the quest-literature(?) (The words in the threadmarks written by the QM) have always been using Skryre.

Finally, she asked if she was the only one who thought this.

I went to search bar, I thought given the numbers that it's a pretty common misunderstanding.
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I'm on board with all of this. 10/10 would agree again.

I think the confusion is that your first post was in response to
Codex said:
Apparently Boney's been consistently using Skryre.
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And you used word searches to argue against it. Since Codex was specifically talking about Boney's use, I assumed that your word search was restricted to only include Boney's posts.
I thought that since those would include quoted text in as part of Boney's post we can't actually use that to draw a conclusion on how often Boney uses either spelling as the posts could overlap where Boney quotes a post that spells it the misunderstood way and then responds with the correct spelling. Therefore we couldn't say from this how often Boney actually fell to the Mandela effect.

I'm guessing from this post however, you only meant to comment on the general trend in the thread rather than Boney's behaviour in particular? And for that I'd accept the word searches as evidence that "Yeah a lot of people do this." although I'd probably still say that it can't be used to an accurate number.
 
Swantree said:
Boney and other people has quoted posts spelling it Skyre without correcting it, the opposite is true where the rest read Skryre as Skyre without acknowledgement.
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i mean, buddy, if you want me to start proofreading everyone's posts in the thread instead of letting errors pass without comment, i guess i can

(reach heaven through pedantry)
 
I think me making an error is a bigger problem than just anyone making an error, since I made several informational posts that people still refer to so that they can confirm stuff. If I make a mistake, there's a chance it can spread like a plague across the thread. Now I'll have to look over my previous posts to correct them, which I am not looking forward to. Hopefully I didn't talk about Skryre a lot.

Also, come to think of it I need to update the Character list. I think there are two characters to add. Baba Brzeginias (don't fact check me about the spelling I'll correct it later. What a nightmare of a name) and that High Priest of the East for Taal.
 
Four characters added to Characters of Divided Loyalties.
Codex said:
Dobromir: Taal's High Priest of the East, he is a deeply tanned man wearing robes that signify his status as one of the most powerful men within the Cult of Taal. Dobromir is one of the loudest voices within the Cult clamoring for the restoration of the positon of a Guardian for the Gryphon Wood, as the current situation means that the Guardians of the Forest of Shadows are the ones in charge of Ostermark's forests, and the distance between the two sections makes it difficult for full time observation of the woods. As such, he has an investment in diminishing the contributions of the local Longshanks and Taalites so that a Guardian may be instated. Despite his political inclinations, however, he is still willing to play ball and acceded to Mathilde's request to have a first hand look at the Taalite's observations before making any judgements thanks to Mathilde using Article 14. While Article 14 theoretically does not apply to the Longshanks, it is not a statement that the Taalites like to make as they desire to prove their legitimacy as equal to Sigmar's Templars in that area.

Baba Brzeginias: Local Hedgewise of the village of Gerdouen in northern Ostermark between Fortenhaf Bechafen bordering Kislev. Due to the Ostermarker Hedgewise sharing a border with the Hag Witches, there is significant crossover and cultural exchange, which probably explains her title. Brzeginias is a wiry old woman with white hair and milky eyes that still appear disconcertingly sharp behind the haze, and she also has a hatchet on her hip. She appears to be quite grumpy with Mathilde but willing to comply despite her misgivings about the Colleges due to Mathilde's connections with Kurtis Krammovitch. Baba Brzeginias seemed to be quite capable and confident in her abilities, although she still firmly considers herself a small fish in a small pond and knows that there are things that she is incapable of dealing with. She does not like the Jade Order and appears to actively support her local community with personal crafts.
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Bedrich: Kislevite Border Guard within the settlement of Rakhov. Big, strong, and dim according to his supervisor, and he would constantly go to his captain to ask questions when he became confused, which Captain Loza preferred.

Captain Loza: Kovnik (Captain) serving as a border guard who checks people's credentials within the settlement of Rakhov in Kislev. Seems to think highly of himself and he was quite eager to ruin a foreign noble's day if they thought they could get by the border without proper credentials. He was able to adapt to a situation that he did not expect quickly enough however.
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I'm getting wordier and wordier. I should probably work on condensing things instead of doing a full blown analysis of a character we might never see again.

I thought about putting Drycha in historical and distant but I would have to confirm if she's actually what's causing this trouble. If I put in every historical/distant character that exists in Warhammer in that section I would be 80 years old by the time I finish.
 
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